Awesome stuff you see on the internet
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<p>the problem is that being fat is an indicator of all sorts of health problems, and we have a public health system. so being fat is a drain on taxes. like booze, like ciggies.</p>
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<p>Thats the key thing. That whiney idea that "its my body! if I want to be fat its MY issue!!". That only works if you are not relying in the tax payer for anything. And in the UK especially the obese are a huge drain on the NHS. So their massive fat lard arsed bodies ARE an issue for the rest of us.</p>
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<p>You want to smoke you contribute to the health budget via tax. Same with booze (tho' maybe not enough), same with riving a V8, so it should be with sugar.</p>
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<p>People want libertarian socialism. IE full freedom & a huge tax funded safety net. Well fuck off. You want to be fully libatarian, be my guest, but there is no safety net. You are responsible 100% mate. Equally you want the state (ie tax payers) to carry you, you are responsible for your actions. And the more you can target that (by taxing consumption not income) the fairer for society.</p>
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<p>yeah tricky one. so much natural sugar in fruit, honey... so then you say 'any added sugar' i guess... but so many things, where do you draw the line.</p>
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<p>I don't think you need to draw the line re drinks. A litre of pure OJ is staggerinly unhealthy. 2 or 3 oranges, fine, but once you put it in a drink form its very very bad for you in the volume most people consume it. The issue at the moment is people have access to sugar in a liquid form, that they drink in vast quantities. </p> -
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<p>I don't think you need to draw the line re drinks. A litre of pure OJ is staggerinly unhealthy. 2 or 3 oranges, fine, but once you put it in a drink form its very very bad for you in the volume most people consume it. The issue at the moment is people have access to sugar in a liquid form, that they drink in vast quantities. </p>
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<p>but that is a volume issue, rather than the item itself, which i think is a problem. though the same could be said for red wine i guess. i'd much rather they dropped the tax on that rather than started taxing OJ. otherwise bacon will be next.</p> -
<p>At least let me try.</p>
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Thanks to the Indonesians you can score one for the toothfish<br><br>
That's how you deal with these scumbags</p></blockquote>
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Awesome , the argies sank one too this week . Useless trivia , the only time our Skyhawks ever fired a shot in anger was at a Thai fishing boat that was on the run after being caught fishing illegally . They were only warning shot but in the pre internet days when it happened the story got changed with every retelling until it turned from warning shots to the ship being blown out of the water and was apparently a pretty effective deterrent for years afterwards. -
<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Hooroo" data-cid="565443" data-time="1458291447"><p>
How come we can't be fat? I understand the shitfaced argument but why bring fat?</p></blockquote>
Adults, maybe but kids...TR Jnr has a friend, very obese (at a guess I'd say he is 75kg+, tr Jnr is about 40kg and maybe 1 or 2kg more than most of the other boys in his class) <br><br>
His mum says he is just big boned, even a dr recently said he was also an asthmatic and he can get out of physical stuff at school. When I've been on school trips, this kid either can't do anything or needs his own adult supervision cos he is at the back of the group. <br><br>
When it was meal times, he was usually first finished and first waiting for 2nds. <br><br>
To me, his dr should have said he needs to lose about a dozen kegs and then we'll look at the asthma, but no, he enabled the kid to continue on the path he is on. -
<p>Doctors don't get paid well for prescribing exercise. But if they sell more meds... well...</p>
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<p>The tragic part is when their parents are gigantic fucking porkers and put it down to genetics.</p>
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<p>Oddly, his parents (seperated) arent huge, they aint slim, but by no means obese! </p>
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<p>I suspect it is a mechanism by the mum (with my bro-psychology degree) to keep him as Mummy's boy, given he has iPad, PS4, XBox1...TR Jnr likes to go there cos he doesnt have me telling him he needs a break from his PS3 or to get outside and do something! </p> -
This is timely , a behemoth whining on stuff nation about how she shouldn't be discriminated against for being a landbound shewhale <br>
<a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://i.stuff.co.nz/life-style/life/78052099/OPINION-Being-fat-in-New-Zealand'>http://i.stuff.co.nz/life-style/life/78052099/OPINION-Being-fat-in-New-Zealand</a><br><br>
I'm sure it's not very nice to be judged by people all the time , I'm sure if she put the same amount of energy inti losing some weight as she did with this pointless campaign she wouldn't be as big. -
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<p>The day they put a bacon tax down is the day I Guy Fawkes that shit</p>
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<p>Never fear bacon aficionados, once sugar is demonised such that I'm banished to the garden bar to drink my coke on a treadmill, the health police will reach for your bacon next... </p> -
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<p>This is timely , a behemoth whining on stuff nation about how she shouldn't be discriminated against for being a landbound shewhale<br><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://i.stuff.co.nz/life-style/life/78052099/OPINION-Being-fat-in-New-Zealand'>http://i.stuff.co.nz/life-style/life/78052099/OPINION-Being-fat-in-New-Zealand</a><br><br>
I'm sure it's not very nice to be judged by people all the time , I'm sure if she put the same amount of energy inti losing some weight as she did with this pointless campaign she wouldn't be as big.</p>
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<p><img src="http://img.memecdn.com/99-of-fat-people-amp-039-s-logic_c_3641585.webp" alt="99-of-fat-people-amp-039-s-logic_c_36415"></p> -
<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="jegga" data-cid="565722" data-time="1458346294">
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<p>This is timely , a behemoth whining on stuff nation about how she shouldn't be discriminated against for being a landbound shewhale<br><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://i.stuff.co.nz/life-style/life/78052099/OPINION-Being-fat-in-New-Zealand'>http://i.stuff.co.nz/life-style/life/78052099/OPINION-Being-fat-in-New-Zealand</a><br><br>
I'm sure it's not very nice to be judged by people all the time , I'm sure if she put the same amount of energy inti losing some weight as she did with this pointless campaign she wouldn't be as big.</p>
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<p>surprisingly, some rather mature responses in the comments there, given it is the topic that probably shouldnt have the comments open</p> -
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<p><strong>Doctors don't get paid well for prescribing exercise. But if they sell more meds... well...</strong></p>
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<p>The tragic part is when their parents are gigantic fucking porkers and put it down to genetics.</p>
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<p>Yeah, genetically predisposed to KFC.</p>
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<p>While I get the sentiment in general, it's not really true of NZ doctors.</p> -
<p>Maybe. There is an epidemic here of doctors ordering tests out of hand, or prescriptions, simply because its easier to keep the rotating door of the local bulk-billed medical centre turning.</p>
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<p>Generally speaking there is a slowdown in core medical practice when a new pill or machine-that-goes-PING is available. Why should GPs have to research or treat when there is money to be made?</p>
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<p>I'd say country doctors are a bit less likely to reach for this when they don't have to. Partly because they know their patients better, and partly because they don't have access to as many facilities as their city colleagues.</p> -
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<p>Maybe. There is an epidemic here of doctors ordering tests out of hand, or prescriptions, simply because its easier to keep the rotating door of the local bulk-billed medical centre turning.</p>
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<p>Generally speaking there is a slowdown in core medical practice when a new pill or machine-that-goes-PING is available. Why should GPs have to research or treat when there is money to be made?</p>
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<p>I'd say country doctors are a bit less likely to reach for this when they don't have to. Partly because they know their patients better, and partly because they don't have access to as many facilities as their city colleagues.</p>
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<p>Our medical insurance system is nowhere near as prevalent as yours. Medical in Oz is a total scam, one of my cousins is a specialist there and he does procedures in public hospital and said hospital pays him his private rates (which are much much higher than standard private rates).</p> -
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Doctors don't get paid well for prescribing exercise. But if they sell more meds... well...<br><br>
The tragic part is when their parents are gigantic fucking porkers and put it down to genetics.<br><br>
Yeah, genetically predisposed to KFC.</p></blockquote>
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As the others have pointed outthe system here is a bit different . I went to a doctor a while back for a suspected hernia and asked how long id be on the waiting list for if I needed an op and the doctor told me he had a bit of discretion and since I wasn't overweight he could get me sorted sooner. He and the nurse had a pretty eye opening chat with me about how the health system is clogged up with fat people and smokers . The fat people routinely lie about how much they eat even when they are told to make a diary of their weekly intake and the docs and nurses find it pretty soul destroying dealing with them . <br>
To be honest I felt for them , trying to treat people like that must take its toll and the idiot I linked to is a classic example of the sort of stupidity they must see on a daily basis . -
Turns out Cat Pause is s fat activist who make her living studying far issues and discrimination against the obese <br><br>
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<p>I've got a really big person in my team. Awesome human being and excellent at their job. But it's tough to see them eating chips and coke for breakfast, or referring to the 'big but fit' school of thought. Plus the job (office work) is a more sedentary than their previous occupation - which isn't great, actually kind of scary when I think about it.</p>
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<p>Jegga, I think your point about lying about food intake is a huge (ahem) factor. If you aren't being honest with yourself about what you are eating, how can anyone else help you? In many cases I'm sure there are some significant drivers in terms of life experiences and/or mental health.</p>
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<p>In any case it's not an easy thing to broach with someone as a concerned friend/colleague, let alone how/if that should ever come up in an employment situation. </p> -
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<p>In any case it's not an easy thing to broach with someone as a concerned friend/colleague, let alone how/if that should ever come up in an employment situation. </p>
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<p>I had a mate (now passed too young) who was plus size, and even general discussions about fitness and nutrition had no effect. Unfortunately unless the person is wanting help and asks for it themselves it is likely to fall on deaf ears</p>
