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<p>the problem is that being fat is an indicator of all sorts of health problems, and we have a public health system. so being fat is a drain on taxes. like booze, like ciggies. the justification for taxing the shit out of those things is health costs, so you can apply the same argument to food, or weight, or lack of exercise.</p>
<p>the bouncer thing is a joke obviously, but the reason for not letting shitfaced people into a pub is that they have had too much and hence are a potential cost to society and...</p> -
<p>Well, the one thing we can seemingly all agree on that (said in Arnie terminator voice) "Der enemy ist shoooger". The issues are whether or not taxing sugary drinks will make any meaningful difference, whether the revenue raised can be applied specifically to help fight the problems and would the likes of coke etc have a fair point if they felt that other areas such as cereals (as has been pointed out), ready meals, processed foods of many kinds, lots of low fat options are also much too high in sugar and are not getting taxed?</p>
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<p>The tobacco analogy was raised earlier as an example of taxation working. The thing is it is much easier to target, tobacco is tobacco. Sugar is everywhere in so many products. For sure it's (tobacco taxation) raised a shed load of revenue (any meaningful part of that been directed to education or alternatives or cancer research? Thought not) but TBH it is education that has made the biggest dent in smoking numbers not the fact that a packet of cages now costs a day's wages. People will always find a way to fund their vices. Education and opportunity are the things we need to major on.</p> -
<p>Thanks to the Indonesians you can score one for the toothfish</p>
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<p>Indonesian authorities blow up illegal fishing vessel Viking pursued by New Zealand authorities.</p>
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<p>An illegal toothfish fishing vessel New Zealand authorities were pursuing has been captured and destroyed by the Indonesian Navy.</p>
<p>The stateless Viking was one of a fleet of six illegal, unreported and unregulated fishing vessels plundering toothfish stocks in the Southern Ocean.</p>
<p>Fishing in the area is banned by an international convention to conserve Antarctic marine life.</p>
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<p>Ministry for Primary Industries compliance operations manager Gary Orr said New Zealand authorities had been working with a range of countries for the past 12 months to try and capture the six vessels and crew from the poaching fleet.</p>
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<p>The Viking was the last of the six vessels to be caught.</p>
<p>It was captured in Indonesian waters and blown up by the Indonesian Navy and the Ministry of Maritime Affairs and Fisheries in the waters of Tanjung Batumandi, Pangandaran, West Java, on Monday.</p>
<p>The crew was being detained in Indonesia.</p>
<p>"We are extremely hopeful that no-one will step in to fill the gap that has been left by elimination of these six vessels from that fishery," Orr said.</p>
<p>In December, New Zealand authorities patrolling the Southern Ocean captured video and still footage of illegal vessels and provided crew lists to other countries involved in the crackdown.</p>
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<p>"We've played a significant part."</p>
<p>The Viking was a stateless vessel, falsely claiming to be flagged under Nigeria.</p>
<p>"What we're seeing is fraudulent documentation in relation to the vessel flag."</p>
<p>The nationalities of the crew were not known.</p>
<p>Had it been caught in New Zealand waters, the vessel would not have been blown up, he said.</p>
<p>None of the vessels had been caught in areas under New Zealand jurisdiction, he said.</p>
<p>"Our engagement in these vessels has all been on the high seas where you're operating under international law where it's not so clear cut."</p>
<p>The fleet had extracted a significant amount of fish from the Southern Ocean fishery and its absence would significantly benefit the sustainability of the fish stock, Orr said.</p>
<p>Vast amounts of time and resources had been spent on pursuing the fleet, but Orr could not say how much it had cost New Zealand taxpayers.</p>
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<p>Well, thee one thing we can seemingly alls free on that (said in Arnie terminator voice) "Der enemy ist shoooger". The issues are whether or not taxing sugary drinks will make any meaningful difference, whether the revenue raised can be applied specifically to help fight the problems and would the likes of coke etc have a fair point if they felt that other areas such as cereals (as has been pointed out), ready meals, processed foods of many kinds, lots of low fat options are also much too high in sugar and are not getting taxed?</p>
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<p>The tobacco analogy was raised earlier as an example of taxation working. The thing is it is much easier to target, tobacco is tobacco. Sugar is everywhere in so many products. For sure it's raised a shed load of revenue (any meaningful part of that been directed to education or alternatives or cancer research? Thought not) and TBH it is education that has made the biggest dent in smoking numbers not the fact that a packet of cages now costs a day's wages. People will always find a way to fund their vices. Education and opportunity are the things we need to major on.</p>
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<p>yeah tricky one. so much natural sugar in fruit, honey... so then you say 'any added sugar' i guess... but so many things, where do you draw the line.</p> -
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<p>yeah tricky one. so much natural sugar in fruit, honey... so then you say 'any added sugar' i guess... but so many things, where do you draw the line.</p>
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<p>It's refined sugar. Someone will draw the line, they always do. Look at the alcohol cannabis debate. Many would argue alcohol has a far greater cost to the community yet it is legal and cannabis is not (yet)</p> -
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<p>the problem is that being fat is an indicator of all sorts of health problems, and we have a public health system. so being fat is a drain on taxes. like booze, like ciggies.</p>
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<p>Thats the key thing. That whiney idea that "its my body! if I want to be fat its MY issue!!". That only works if you are not relying in the tax payer for anything. And in the UK especially the obese are a huge drain on the NHS. So their massive fat lard arsed bodies ARE an issue for the rest of us.</p>
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<p>You want to smoke you contribute to the health budget via tax. Same with booze (tho' maybe not enough), same with riving a V8, so it should be with sugar.</p>
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<p>People want libertarian socialism. IE full freedom & a huge tax funded safety net. Well fuck off. You want to be fully libatarian, be my guest, but there is no safety net. You are responsible 100% mate. Equally you want the state (ie tax payers) to carry you, you are responsible for your actions. And the more you can target that (by taxing consumption not income) the fairer for society.</p>
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<p>yeah tricky one. so much natural sugar in fruit, honey... so then you say 'any added sugar' i guess... but so many things, where do you draw the line.</p>
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<p>I don't think you need to draw the line re drinks. A litre of pure OJ is staggerinly unhealthy. 2 or 3 oranges, fine, but once you put it in a drink form its very very bad for you in the volume most people consume it. The issue at the moment is people have access to sugar in a liquid form, that they drink in vast quantities. </p> -
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<p>I don't think you need to draw the line re drinks. A litre of pure OJ is staggerinly unhealthy. 2 or 3 oranges, fine, but once you put it in a drink form its very very bad for you in the volume most people consume it. The issue at the moment is people have access to sugar in a liquid form, that they drink in vast quantities. </p>
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<p>but that is a volume issue, rather than the item itself, which i think is a problem. though the same could be said for red wine i guess. i'd much rather they dropped the tax on that rather than started taxing OJ. otherwise bacon will be next.</p> -
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Thanks to the Indonesians you can score one for the toothfish<br><br>
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Awesome , the argies sank one too this week . Useless trivia , the only time our Skyhawks ever fired a shot in anger was at a Thai fishing boat that was on the run after being caught fishing illegally . They were only warning shot but in the pre internet days when it happened the story got changed with every retelling until it turned from warning shots to the ship being blown out of the water and was apparently a pretty effective deterrent for years afterwards. -
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How come we can't be fat? I understand the shitfaced argument but why bring fat?</p></blockquote>
Adults, maybe but kids...TR Jnr has a friend, very obese (at a guess I'd say he is 75kg+, tr Jnr is about 40kg and maybe 1 or 2kg more than most of the other boys in his class) <br><br>
His mum says he is just big boned, even a dr recently said he was also an asthmatic and he can get out of physical stuff at school. When I've been on school trips, this kid either can't do anything or needs his own adult supervision cos he is at the back of the group. <br><br>
When it was meal times, he was usually first finished and first waiting for 2nds. <br><br>
To me, his dr should have said he needs to lose about a dozen kegs and then we'll look at the asthma, but no, he enabled the kid to continue on the path he is on. -
<p>Doctors don't get paid well for prescribing exercise. But if they sell more meds... well...</p>
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<p>The tragic part is when their parents are gigantic fucking porkers and put it down to genetics.</p>
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<p>Oddly, his parents (seperated) arent huge, they aint slim, but by no means obese! </p>
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<p>I suspect it is a mechanism by the mum (with my bro-psychology degree) to keep him as Mummy's boy, given he has iPad, PS4, XBox1...TR Jnr likes to go there cos he doesnt have me telling him he needs a break from his PS3 or to get outside and do something! </p> -
This is timely , a behemoth whining on stuff nation about how she shouldn't be discriminated against for being a landbound shewhale <br>
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I'm sure it's not very nice to be judged by people all the time , I'm sure if she put the same amount of energy inti losing some weight as she did with this pointless campaign she wouldn't be as big. -
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<p>The day they put a bacon tax down is the day I Guy Fawkes that shit</p>
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<p>Never fear bacon aficionados, once sugar is demonised such that I'm banished to the garden bar to drink my coke on a treadmill, the health police will reach for your bacon next... </p> -
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<p>This is timely , a behemoth whining on stuff nation about how she shouldn't be discriminated against for being a landbound shewhale<br><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://i.stuff.co.nz/life-style/life/78052099/OPINION-Being-fat-in-New-Zealand'>http://i.stuff.co.nz/life-style/life/78052099/OPINION-Being-fat-in-New-Zealand</a><br><br>
I'm sure it's not very nice to be judged by people all the time , I'm sure if she put the same amount of energy inti losing some weight as she did with this pointless campaign she wouldn't be as big.</p>
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<p><img src="http://img.memecdn.com/99-of-fat-people-amp-039-s-logic_c_3641585.webp" alt="99-of-fat-people-amp-039-s-logic_c_36415"></p> -
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<p>This is timely , a behemoth whining on stuff nation about how she shouldn't be discriminated against for being a landbound shewhale<br><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://i.stuff.co.nz/life-style/life/78052099/OPINION-Being-fat-in-New-Zealand'>http://i.stuff.co.nz/life-style/life/78052099/OPINION-Being-fat-in-New-Zealand</a><br><br>
I'm sure it's not very nice to be judged by people all the time , I'm sure if she put the same amount of energy inti losing some weight as she did with this pointless campaign she wouldn't be as big.</p>
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<p>surprisingly, some rather mature responses in the comments there, given it is the topic that probably shouldnt have the comments open</p> -
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<p><strong>Doctors don't get paid well for prescribing exercise. But if they sell more meds... well...</strong></p>
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<p>The tragic part is when their parents are gigantic fucking porkers and put it down to genetics.</p>
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<p>Yeah, genetically predisposed to KFC.</p>
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<p>While I get the sentiment in general, it's not really true of NZ doctors.</p>
