Black Caps v England Test series
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Having a big hitter down the order is great; it's especially great when they don't feel they need to always be a big hitter. Fingers crossed we have that with de Grandhomme because he seems to offer something with the ball that Boult/Southee/Wagner don't.
Still though any first innings lead for England and they have to be confident. Only thing in our favour is their top order is out of form.
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Fuck, a long way to go yet. But bloody well played CdG.
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Fuck, a long way to go yet. But bloody well played CdG.
@paekakboyz said in Black Caps v England Test series:
Fuck, a long way to go yet. But bloody well played CdG.
They're in the tail now. This could easily be over quick
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Fuck, a long way to go yet. But bloody well played CdG.
@paekakboyz said in Black Caps v England Test series:
Fuck, a long way to go yet. But bloody well played CdG.
He helped to avoid embarrassment at 36/5. Really good innings, shame he couldn't convert it to a ton.
But this is why I am against batting first - even if we get up to around their score, they're still ahead of the game because we have to bat last when the pitch is hardest to bat on while at the same time being under pressure to win the match.
Ideally batting 2nd you get a decent lead so that they can't set you more than 150, as anything above that can get pretty dicey.
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Southee will go into tomorrow on 13 not out.
I'm expecting either of the following posts from Southee haters.....
If he goes early and cheaply he's 'irresponsible'
If he swings and racks up a big score it's a 'fluke'
@mn5 said in Black Caps v England Test series:
Southee will go into tomorrow on 13 not out.
I'm expecting either of the following posts from Southee haters.....
If he goes early and cheaply he's 'irresponsible'
If he swings and racks up a big score it's a 'fluke'
I'm expecting a third option:
He bats sensibly sees BJ through to a hundy and NZ through to a first innings lead leading to those who always thought he under achieved with the bat given his performances to say:
Gee what a mature innings.
You're obviously a hater who doesn't rate his ability with the bat if his options are failure or slogging.
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@mn5 said in Black Caps v England Test series:
Southee will go into tomorrow on 13 not out.
I'm expecting either of the following posts from Southee haters.....
If he goes early and cheaply he's 'irresponsible'
If he swings and racks up a big score it's a 'fluke'
I'm expecting a third option:
He bats sensibly sees BJ through to a hundy and NZ through to a first innings lead leading to those who always thought he under achieved with the bat given his performances to say:
Gee what a mature innings.
You're obviously a hater who doesn't rate his ability with the bat if his options are failure or slogging.
@booboo said in Black Caps v England Test series:
@mn5 said in Black Caps v England Test series:
Southee will go into tomorrow on 13 not out.
I'm expecting either of the following posts from Southee haters.....
If he goes early and cheaply he's 'irresponsible'
If he swings and racks up a big score it's a 'fluke'
I'm expecting a third option:
He bats sensibly sees BJ through to a hundy and NZ through to a first innings lead leading to those who always thought he under achieved with the bat given his performances to say:
Gee what a mature innings.
You're obviously a hater who doesn't rate his ability with the bat if his options are failure or slogging.
You're missing my point completely booboo. I rate him as a bowler who can bust out a pretty good innings every now and again but who is very unfairly maligned for something that he isn't in the team for.
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@mn5 @Chris-B futile argument, we did this a couple of years ago remember.
Go back and find the thread and you’ll have your definitive answer (TSF is never wrong) of who gets in.
They really let the buggers off the hook not being able to get the tailenders out in a timely manner.
Couple of quick wickets this morning please!
@gunner said in Black Caps v England Test series:
@mn5 @Chris-B futile argument, we did this a couple of years ago remember.
Go back and find the thread and you’ll have your definitive answer (TSF is never wrong) of who gets in.
That would imply it's a democracy, instead of the much more sensible idea that I am right!
I've made a small adjustment to my selection I think. Rossco now bats at six instead of Martin Donnelly. His sheer weight of runs and hundreds surpasses Donnelly's average.
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@mokey said in Black Caps v England Test series:
Why does it happen so often, that the Black Caps follow up a brilliant performance with an utter shit one, batting-wise?
Openers.
With few exceptions we have always had below average openers. Aside from the rare periods with a Richardson or Wright our weakest or inconsistent batsmen have opened. Always susceptible to a couple of quick wickets and things spiral from there.
@rotated said in Black Caps v England Test series:
@mokey said in Black Caps v England Test series:
Why does it happen so often, that the Black Caps follow up a brilliant performance with an utter shit one, batting-wise?
Openers.
With few exceptions we have always had below average openers. Aside from the rare periods with a Richardson or Wright our weakest or inconsistent batsmen have opened. Always susceptible to a couple of quick wickets and things spiral from there.
Yeah - Raval's in a difficult situation in that he's only going to be facing test quality bowlers a handful of times a year. This season anyway. And this year, he's averaged 19 in Plunket Shield cricket.
A bit like Alistair Cook has gone home for a month to sit by his fire and drink cocoa. It's not ideal preparation.
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@booboo said in Black Caps v England Test series:
@mn5 said in Black Caps v England Test series:
Southee will go into tomorrow on 13 not out.
I'm expecting either of the following posts from Southee haters.....
If he goes early and cheaply he's 'irresponsible'
If he swings and racks up a big score it's a 'fluke'
I'm expecting a third option:
He bats sensibly sees BJ through to a hundy and NZ through to a first innings lead leading to those who always thought he under achieved with the bat given his performances to say:
Gee what a mature innings.
You're obviously a hater who doesn't rate his ability with the bat if his options are failure or slogging.
You're missing my point completely booboo. I rate him as a bowler who can bust out a pretty good innings every now and again but who is very unfairly maligned for something that he isn't in the team for.
@mn5 said in Black Caps v England Test series:
@booboo said in Black Caps v England Test series:
@mn5 said in Black Caps v England Test series:
Southee will go into tomorrow on 13 not out.
I'm expecting either of the following posts from Southee haters.....
If he goes early and cheaply he's 'irresponsible'
If he swings and racks up a big score it's a 'fluke'
I'm expecting a third option:
He bats sensibly sees BJ through to a hundy and NZ through to a first innings lead leading to those who always thought he under achieved with the bat given his performances to say:
Gee what a mature innings.
You're obviously a hater who doesn't rate his ability with the bat if his options are failure or slogging.
You're missing my point completely booboo. I rate him as a bowler who can bust out a pretty good innings every now and again but who is very unfairly maligned for something that he isn't in the team for.
I get your point.
I think you miss the point that he could be awesome at another discipline he is obliged to perform in some way.
Do you think he doesn't try to field as well as he can? After all he isn't picked for his fielding.
I'm a fanboi. But he can easily be better at batting than he's been. Or should be bat permanently at 11 and be laughed at like Chris Martin?
I truly hope people have higher expectations if him than you ... and he delivers
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@mn5 said in Black Caps v England Test series:
@booboo said in Black Caps v England Test series:
@mn5 said in Black Caps v England Test series:
Southee will go into tomorrow on 13 not out.
I'm expecting either of the following posts from Southee haters.....
If he goes early and cheaply he's 'irresponsible'
If he swings and racks up a big score it's a 'fluke'
I'm expecting a third option:
He bats sensibly sees BJ through to a hundy and NZ through to a first innings lead leading to those who always thought he under achieved with the bat given his performances to say:
Gee what a mature innings.
You're obviously a hater who doesn't rate his ability with the bat if his options are failure or slogging.
You're missing my point completely booboo. I rate him as a bowler who can bust out a pretty good innings every now and again but who is very unfairly maligned for something that he isn't in the team for.
I get your point.
I think you miss the point that he could be awesome at another discipline he is obliged to perform in some way.
Do you think he doesn't try to field as well as he can? After all he isn't picked for his fielding.
I'm a fanboi. But he can easily be better at batting than he's been. Or should be bat permanently at 11 and be laughed at like Chris Martin?
I truly hope people have higher expectations if him than you ... and he delivers
@booboo said in Black Caps v England Test series:
@mn5 said in Black Caps v England Test series:
@booboo said in Black Caps v England Test series:
@mn5 said in Black Caps v England Test series:
Southee will go into tomorrow on 13 not out.
I'm expecting either of the following posts from Southee haters.....
If he goes early and cheaply he's 'irresponsible'
If he swings and racks up a big score it's a 'fluke'
I'm expecting a third option:
He bats sensibly sees BJ through to a hundy and NZ through to a first innings lead leading to those who always thought he under achieved with the bat given his performances to say:
Gee what a mature innings.
You're obviously a hater who doesn't rate his ability with the bat if his options are failure or slogging.
You're missing my point completely booboo. I rate him as a bowler who can bust out a pretty good innings every now and again but who is very unfairly maligned for something that he isn't in the team for.
I get your point.
I think you miss the point that he could be awesome at another discipline he is obliged to perform in some way.
Do you think he doesn't try to field as well as he can? After all he isn't picked for his fielding.
I'm a fanboi. But he can easily be better at batting than he's been. Or should be bat permanently at 11 and be laughed at like Chris Martin?
I truly hope people have higher expectations if him than you ... and he delivers
You really think he's gonna get better at batting at this stage of his career.
Also, who is picked for their fielding?
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@booboo said in Black Caps v England Test series:
@mn5 said in Black Caps v England Test series:
@booboo said in Black Caps v England Test series:
@mn5 said in Black Caps v England Test series:
Southee will go into tomorrow on 13 not out.
I'm expecting either of the following posts from Southee haters.....
If he goes early and cheaply he's 'irresponsible'
If he swings and racks up a big score it's a 'fluke'
I'm expecting a third option:
He bats sensibly sees BJ through to a hundy and NZ through to a first innings lead leading to those who always thought he under achieved with the bat given his performances to say:
Gee what a mature innings.
You're obviously a hater who doesn't rate his ability with the bat if his options are failure or slogging.
You're missing my point completely booboo. I rate him as a bowler who can bust out a pretty good innings every now and again but who is very unfairly maligned for something that he isn't in the team for.
I get your point.
I think you miss the point that he could be awesome at another discipline he is obliged to perform in some way.
Do you think he doesn't try to field as well as he can? After all he isn't picked for his fielding.
I'm a fanboi. But he can easily be better at batting than he's been. Or should be bat permanently at 11 and be laughed at like Chris Martin?
I truly hope people have higher expectations if him than you ... and he delivers
You really think he's gonna get better at batting at this stage of his career.
Also, who is picked for their fielding?
@mn5 said in Black Caps v England Test series:
@booboo said in Black Caps v England Test series:
@mn5 said in Black Caps v England Test series:
@booboo said in Black Caps v England Test series:
@mn5 said in Black Caps v England Test series:
Southee will go into tomorrow on 13 not out.
I'm expecting either of the following posts from Southee haters.....
If he goes early and cheaply he's 'irresponsible'
If he swings and racks up a big score it's a 'fluke'
I'm expecting a third option:
He bats sensibly sees BJ through to a hundy and NZ through to a first innings lead leading to those who always thought he under achieved with the bat given his performances to say:
Gee what a mature innings.
You're obviously a hater who doesn't rate his ability with the bat if his options are failure or slogging.
You're missing my point completely booboo. I rate him as a bowler who can bust out a pretty good innings every now and again but who is very unfairly maligned for something that he isn't in the team for.
I get your point.
I think you miss the point that he could be awesome at another discipline he is obliged to perform in some way.
Do you think he doesn't try to field as well as he can? After all he isn't picked for his fielding.
I'm a fanboi. But he can easily be better at batting than he's been. Or should be bat permanently at 11 and be laughed at like Chris Martin?
I truly hope people have higher expectations if him than you ... and he delivers
You really think he's gonna get better at batting at this stage of his career.
Also, who is picked for their fielding?
Why shouldn't he?
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The problem with Southee's batting seems to be his attitude, which he could easily change. No one had a go at Chris Martin.
@hydro11 said in Black Caps v England Test series:
The problem with Southee's batting seems to be his attitude, which he could easily change. No one had a go at Chris Martin.
Southees big mistake was flaying 9 x 6’s and making 77 on his debut.
Expectations have been high ever since, but clearly he knows how to swing a bat.
Chris Martin on the other hand.. sometimes I expected him to hold the bat at the wrong end given how clueless he was with it -
@mn5 said in Black Caps v England Test series:
@booboo said in Black Caps v England Test series:
@mn5 said in Black Caps v England Test series:
@booboo said in Black Caps v England Test series:
@mn5 said in Black Caps v England Test series:
Southee will go into tomorrow on 13 not out.
I'm expecting either of the following posts from Southee haters.....
If he goes early and cheaply he's 'irresponsible'
If he swings and racks up a big score it's a 'fluke'
I'm expecting a third option:
He bats sensibly sees BJ through to a hundy and NZ through to a first innings lead leading to those who always thought he under achieved with the bat given his performances to say:
Gee what a mature innings.
You're obviously a hater who doesn't rate his ability with the bat if his options are failure or slogging.
You're missing my point completely booboo. I rate him as a bowler who can bust out a pretty good innings every now and again but who is very unfairly maligned for something that he isn't in the team for.
I get your point.
I think you miss the point that he could be awesome at another discipline he is obliged to perform in some way.
Do you think he doesn't try to field as well as he can? After all he isn't picked for his fielding.
I'm a fanboi. But he can easily be better at batting than he's been. Or should be bat permanently at 11 and be laughed at like Chris Martin?
I truly hope people have higher expectations if him than you ... and he delivers
You really think he's gonna get better at batting at this stage of his career.
Also, who is picked for their fielding?
Why shouldn't he?
@booboo said in Black Caps v England Test series:
@mn5 said in Black Caps v England Test series:
@booboo said in Black Caps v England Test series:
@mn5 said in Black Caps v England Test series:
@booboo said in Black Caps v England Test series:
@mn5 said in Black Caps v England Test series:
Southee will go into tomorrow on 13 not out.
I'm expecting either of the following posts from Southee haters.....
If he goes early and cheaply he's 'irresponsible'
If he swings and racks up a big score it's a 'fluke'
I'm expecting a third option:
He bats sensibly sees BJ through to a hundy and NZ through to a first innings lead leading to those who always thought he under achieved with the bat given his performances to say:
Gee what a mature innings.
You're obviously a hater who doesn't rate his ability with the bat if his options are failure or slogging.
You're missing my point completely booboo. I rate him as a bowler who can bust out a pretty good innings every now and again but who is very unfairly maligned for something that he isn't in the team for.
I get your point.
I think you miss the point that he could be awesome at another discipline he is obliged to perform in some way.
Do you think he doesn't try to field as well as he can? After all he isn't picked for his fielding.
I'm a fanboi. But he can easily be better at batting than he's been. Or should be bat permanently at 11 and be laughed at like Chris Martin?
I truly hope people have higher expectations if him than you ... and he delivers
You really think he's gonna get better at batting at this stage of his career.
Also, who is picked for their fielding?
Why shouldn't he?
Because he's a bowler who bats as opposed to a batsman?
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I had no problem with Southee's innings last night. Other than he isn't good enough to bat 8. Or 9. But neither are the 3 to come in behind him and somebody has to do it. His first movement is to back away to leg and like Stuart Broad he doesn't like the short ball.
So you could make an argument that Timmy should have a go and see what happens. If he can get to 30, those could be vital runs.
