All Blacks v France Test #1
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The double tackle on Remy Grosso by Sam Cane and Ofa Tu'ungafasi has caused serious injury to Grosso, more in particular Ofa's shoulder. He has a double facial fracture, according to the website Rugbyrama. One is a sinus fracture. He's been advised not to travel back to France immediately, because the pressure in the plane is considered a risk.
According to the same article, the French management have asked the citing commissioner to examine the footage of the incident (as they can do under the rules).
Obviously, there's again a lot of talk of one set of rules for the ABs and one set of rules for the rest. I've been lurking on a few French forums and they go as far as saying that the high tackles from Cane and Ofa were deliberate, and that Ofa's shoulder hit to Grosso's face amounts to assault that should be prosecuted (but won't be because of, "All Blacks"). Apparently, referees are still scared of the ABs and, therefore, do not penalise them. These comments do not only come from French rugby fans, but I've also seen them again from English speaking rugby fans, and media.
@stargazer said in All Blacks v France Test #1:
The double tackle on Remy Grosso by Sam Cane and Ofa Tu'ungafasi has caused serious injury to Grosso, more in particular Ofa's shoulder. He has a double facial fracture, according to the website Rugbyrama. One is a sinus fracture. He's been advised not to travel back to France immediately, because the pressure in the plane is considered a risk.
According to the same article, the French management have asked the citing commissioner to examine the footage of the incident (as they can do under the rules).
Obviously, there's again a lot of talk of one set of rules for the ABs and one set of rules for the rest. I've been lurking on a few French forums and they go as far as saying that the high tackles from Cane and Ofa were deliberate, and that Ofa's shoulder hit to Grosso's face amounts to assault that should be prosecuted (but won't be because of, "All Blacks"). Apparently, referees are still scared of the ABs and, therefore, do not penalise them. These comments do not only come from French rugby fans, but I've also seen them again from English speaking rugby fans, and media.
The ref had two howlers, marring an otherwise decent game for him. It was disappointing because it spoiled what was a good test match.
Sometimes refs and touchies miss things, or are the French forgetting 2007? Because I haven't -
@stargazer said in All Blacks v France Test #1:
https://twitter.com/TheRugbyPaper/status/1005383030582796288
I’m not quite sure what your point is. Just because someone gets injured doesn’t mean he was targeted. First player tackles, French player slips, shoulder hits face. Anyone not a Kiwi will be latching onto it though.
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@stargazer said in All Blacks v France Test #1:
https://twitter.com/TheRugbyPaper/status/1005383030582796288
I’m not quite sure what your point is. Just because someone gets injured doesn’t mean he was targeted. First player tackles, French player slips, shoulder hits face. Anyone not a Kiwi will be latching onto it though.
@billy-tell I'm not sure why you think I'm making a point. I just posted - without comment - the clip of the incident to enable people to watch again what happened. From one angle, that is.
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@stargazer said in All Blacks v France Test #1:
The double tackle on Remy Grosso by Sam Cane and Ofa Tu'ungafasi has caused serious injury to Grosso, more in particular Ofa's shoulder. He has a double facial fracture, according to the website Rugbyrama. One is a sinus fracture. He's been advised not to travel back to France immediately, because the pressure in the plane is considered a risk.
According to the same article, the French management have asked the citing commissioner to examine the footage of the incident (as they can do under the rules).
Obviously, there's again a lot of talk of one set of rules for the ABs and one set of rules for the rest. I've been lurking on a few French forums and they go as far as saying that the high tackles from Cane and Ofa were deliberate, and that Ofa's shoulder hit to Grosso's face amounts to assault that should be prosecuted (but won't be because of, "All Blacks"). Apparently, referees are still scared of the ABs and, therefore, do not penalise them. These comments do not only come from French rugby fans, but I've also seen them again from English speaking rugby fans, and media.
The ref had two howlers, marring an otherwise decent game for him. It was disappointing because it spoiled what was a good test match.
Sometimes refs and touchies miss things, or are the French forgetting 2007? Because I haven't@canefan said in All Blacks v France Test #1:
The ref had two howlers, marring an otherwise decent game for him. It was disappointing because it spoiled what was a good test match.
Sometimes refs and touchies miss things, or are the French forgetting 2007? Because I haven'tThey probably think there was nothing wrong with the officiating in 2007. I have, however, again seen references to McCaw kneeing Parra in the face in the 2011 final, something they keep on coming back to each time they think the referees have missed foul play by the ABs. I once replied with a reference to the alleged eye gouging committed against McCaw in the same match. I was almost eaten alive.
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I’d love to hear comment from the referees as to why, yet again, a player in front of the ball that catches a knock on isn’t penalised.
As far as I know there has been no directive to be lenient and award scrums but twice now at EP in a test we have seen this ‘agreement’ -
It's amazing the lengths these ABs will go to with their deliberate illegal tackles, even to the extent of smashing their heads on a team mate's had and going on an HIA to cover it up!
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It's amazing the lengths these ABs will go to with their deliberate illegal tackles, even to the extent of smashing their heads on a team mate's had and going on an HIA to cover it up!
@machpants Obviously a bad injury especially since so close to the brain. Ofa might get cited but his arms appear to be in a position to tackle. I think the tackle brought Grosso down to that level. Hope he is doing OK. Not sure that it was deliberate.
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looks bad in slow motion ,
tip for kiwis
stay away from international social media rugby forums such as facebook for a week
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looks bad in slow motion ,
tip for kiwis
stay away from international social media rugby forums such as facebook for a week
@kiwiinmelb would like to see everything building up to the tackle because a short clip does not tell all whole story.
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I’d love to hear comment from the referees as to why, yet again, a player in front of the ball that catches a knock on isn’t penalised.
As far as I know there has been no directive to be lenient and award scrums but twice now at EP in a test we have seen this ‘agreement’ -
@crucial well it did happen right in front of Gardner and as we saw in the Saders v Canes he doesn't know this law. Happened in the Ocker v pikie game as well.
@wreck-diver said in All Blacks v France Test #1:
@crucial well it did happen right in front of Gardner and as we saw in the Saders v Canes he doesn't know this law. Happened in the Ocker v pikie game as well.
That's what makes me wonder if there has been one of these 'referee memos' that aren't actually prescribed law but more an opinion from the bosses on interpretation.
It could explain the debacle in the third Lions test and the words used on the field. Does it all stem from fear of what happened to Joubert at the RWC? -
@wreck-diver said in All Blacks v France Test #1:
@crucial well it did happen right in front of Gardner and as we saw in the Saders v Canes he doesn't know this law. Happened in the Ocker v pikie game as well.
That's what makes me wonder if there has been one of these 'referee memos' that aren't actually prescribed law but more an opinion from the bosses on interpretation.
It could explain the debacle in the third Lions test and the words used on the field. Does it all stem from fear of what happened to Joubert at the RWC?@crucial Well I don't think its as bad as that otherwise I might believe the Yanks destroyed the twin towers. I just think its shit application of the laws. Maybe we should reinstate George Ayoub to on field duties.
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looks bad in slow motion ,
tip for kiwis
stay away from international social media rugby forums such as facebook for a week
@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks v France Test #1:
looks bad in slow motion ,
tip for kiwis
stay away from international social media rugby forums such as facebook for a week
Nah. Much fun to be had stringing people along with ever-loopier conspiracy theories :smiling_face_with_halo:
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@kiwimurph said in All Blacks v France Test #1:
DMac looks great running into huge gaps but doesnt really answer any questions about a tight game.
The guy’s on a hiding to nothing with some people isn’t he?
He is hardly perfect and certainly hit and miss at times but the coaches realise the value of when he does something good it is very good.(and back themselves to try and reduce the very bad).
You can hardly deny what a player brings when two touches of the ball result in two tries. I’ll take that any day.
That first try wasn’t a huge gap. That was classic Cullen like play where he spotted an opportunity from deep and accelerated into the right place on the right line at the right time. Only players with great instinct do that. Cullen was brilliant at it because he also glided at speed very deceptively and seemingly popped up from nowhere.
I think DMac did his job today very well and only pushed the situation once in a poor way.
He tries to create scoring chances and as long as he comes out on the right side of the ledger it’s a win.@crucial Just don't get the anti-DMac thing.
For a 4th choice FB last year, I thought he did pretty well overall. Made some wrong decisions for sure, (but probably less than SBW) and was generally impressive on defence - exceptional against Wales and Argentina.
Reminds me of some of the "don't let Nonu near the team" sentiments we heard for years....
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@crucial Just don't get the anti-DMac thing.
For a 4th choice FB last year, I thought he did pretty well overall. Made some wrong decisions for sure, (but probably less than SBW) and was generally impressive on defence - exceptional against Wales and Argentina.
Reminds me of some of the "don't let Nonu near the team" sentiments we heard for years....
@victor-meldrew said in All Blacks v France Test #1:
@crucial Just don't get the anti-DMac thing.
For a 4th choice FB last year, I thought he did pretty well overall. Made some wrong decisions for sure, (but probably less than SBW) and was generally impressive on defence - exceptional against Wales and Argentina.
Reminds me of some of the "don't let Nonu near the team" sentiments we heard for years....
If you go back long enough the original TSF boards had plenty of posters questioning whether a certain J.Lomu should be selected due to his shaky defence and 'turning like the Titanic'. Both valid criticisms but given way to much weight when sided against his attacking attributes.
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@stargazer said in All Blacks v France Test #1:
The double tackle on Remy Grosso by Sam Cane and Ofa Tu'ungafasi has caused serious injury to Grosso, more in particular Ofa's shoulder. He has a double facial fracture, according to the website Rugbyrama. One is a sinus fracture. He's been advised not to travel back to France immediately, because the pressure in the plane is considered a risk.
According to the same article, the French management have asked the citing commissioner to examine the footage of the incident (as they can do under the rules).
Obviously, there's again a lot of talk of one set of rules for the ABs and one set of rules for the rest. I've been lurking on a few French forums and they go as far as saying that the high tackles from Cane and Ofa were deliberate, and that Ofa's shoulder hit to Grosso's face amounts to assault that should be prosecuted (but won't be because of, "All Blacks"). Apparently, referees are still scared of the ABs and, therefore, do not penalise them. These comments do not only come from French rugby fans, but I've also seen them again from English speaking rugby fans, and media.
The ref had two howlers, marring an otherwise decent game for him. It was disappointing because it spoiled what was a good test match.
Sometimes refs and touchies miss things, or are the French forgetting 2007? Because I haven't@canefan said in All Blacks v France Test #1:
The ref had two howlers, marring an otherwise decent game for him.
3 major mistakes, the first of which had a big impact on the game. The YC for Guabrillagues and non-YC for Ofa/Cane, and then the Ardie try. He was too quick to make an on-field decision in those instances without using the technology available. Ayoub should have helped like Skeen did in Brisbane.
I would normally applaud a ref for being assertive and backing their decision, but only if they're right.
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I’d love to hear comment from the referees as to why, yet again, a player in front of the ball that catches a knock on isn’t penalised.
As far as I know there has been no directive to be lenient and award scrums but twice now at EP in a test we have seen this ‘agreement’@crucial said in All Blacks v France Test #1:
I’d love to hear comment from the referees as to why, yet again, a player in front of the ball that catches a knock on isn’t penalised.
As far as I know there has been no directive to be lenient and award scrums but twice now at EP in a test we have seen this ‘agreement’Because he was no longer offside when he played the ball.
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@canefan said in All Blacks v France Test #1:
The ref had two howlers, marring an otherwise decent game for him.
3 major mistakes, the first of which had a big impact on the game. The YC for Guabrillagues and non-YC for Ofa/Cane, and then the Ardie try. He was too quick to make an on-field decision in those instances without using the technology available. Ayoub should have helped like Skeen did in Brisbane.
I would normally applaud a ref for being assertive and backing their decision, but only if they're right.
@bovidae said in All Blacks v France Test #1:
@canefan said in All Blacks v France Test #1:
The ref had two howlers, marring an otherwise decent game for him.
3 major mistakes, the first of which had a big impact on the game. The YC for Guabrillagues and non-YC for Ofa/Cane, and then the Ardie try. He was too quick to make an on-field decision in those instances without using the technology available. Ayoub should have helped like Skeen did in Brisbane.
I would normally applaud a ref for being assertive and backing their decision, but only if they're right.
Kids were running around in the last 10 minutes so missed the Ardie try. What's the ref's excuse?
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@bovidae said in All Blacks v France Test #1:
@canefan said in All Blacks v France Test #1:
The ref had two howlers, marring an otherwise decent game for him.
3 major mistakes, the first of which had a big impact on the game. The YC for Guabrillagues and non-YC for Ofa/Cane, and then the Ardie try. He was too quick to make an on-field decision in those instances without using the technology available. Ayoub should have helped like Skeen did in Brisbane.
I would normally applaud a ref for being assertive and backing their decision, but only if they're right.
Kids were running around in the last 10 minutes so missed the Ardie try. What's the ref's excuse?
@canefan he was on the otherside of the maul and got no support from his AR, or as so many times a TMO just has a say when not asked, the TMO didn't say to have a look either.
