All Blacks v France Test #1
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@nepia said in All Blacks v France Test #1:
@no-quarter said in All Blacks v France Test #1:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks v France Test #1:
@antipodean said in All Blacks v France Test #1:
@mariner4life We've played two fullbacks and a power winger for a long time. It works.
I disagree with Crotty and ALB. They individually had very average games in terms of execution and decision making. How that combined becomes brilliant you'll have to explain.
brilliant may have been over-doing it, but they created a lot of opportunities for a couple of blokes playing their first game together in a while. To me (and bear in mind i was watching on a phone while in a restaurant) the errors looked more to be execution than judgement, and I'm not chucking Crotty under the bus for having square wheels, or ALB dropping the ball when about to get fucking smoked because they ran a move that would embarrass an U14 side.
I guess i can't see any player running around who would make a better combination.
Yes, i know we have played the 2 fullbacks thing for ages, fucking duh. But with different personnel back there.
I agree, they compliment each other well and IIRC carved up a couple of seasons ago when they strung a few games together. We don't get the strong ball runner you get in Laumape, but we get a lot of other big benefits.
And regarding your Jordie comments, I've alerted the Canes mafia. Expect the backlash to be swift and ruthless.
Aren't you the Don? Especially when discussing your chief button man Jordie Barretto.
We share the duties around. I come down hard on anyone that misspeaks about Jordie. @Rancid-Schnitzel has Beauden covered, and we've recruited @Stargazer to white knight Scott as he plays for the Crusaders at the moment.
@no-quarter someone at your end is definitely dragging the chain on Ardie.
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@taniwharugby top professional? 12 years? Why the fuck have I never heard of Rob Debney?
@bones said in All Blacks v France Test #1:
@taniwharugby top professional? 12 years? Why the fuck have I never heard of Rob Debney?
The artist formerly known as Stu Dickinson.
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@bones said in All Blacks v France Test #1:
@taniwharugby top professional? 12 years? Why the fuck have I never heard of Rob Debney?
The artist formerly known as Stu Dickinson.
@billy-tell said in All Blacks v France Test #1:
@bones said in All Blacks v France Test #1:
@taniwharugby top professional? 12 years? Why the fuck have I never heard of Rob Debney?
The artist formerly known as Stu Dickinson.
Did a quick Google search on him. Looks like he ran the lines in a few tests but there is no mention of any significant main ref appointments. Sounds like a gobshite to me
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Reason is hilarious. I'm convinced he has never been to a test match at EP, because except for some games at RWC11 and the Lions tour kiwi rugby crowds are pretty quiet
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@rocky-rockbottom said in All Blacks v France Test #1:
@no-quarter said in All Blacks v France Test #1:
We share the duties around. I come down hard on anyone that misspeaks about Jordie. @Rancid-Schnitzel has Beauden covered, and we've recruited @Stargazer to white knight Scott as he plays for the Crusaders at the moment.
Highly Informative post. Too dense to really pick up on the white knighting, apart of course from the blazing obvious examples:
Nepia: Piri Weepu
Stagrazer: allcantabsMagpies, which is zero at the moment with Brodie out.now got me wondering how far someone could go, white knighting the indefensible, what i'm trying to ask is is there such a thing as a white knight for Michael Collins?
White knight, more like black unicorn.
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@bones said in All Blacks v France Test #1:
@no-quarter someone at your end is definitely dragging the chain on Ardie.
@Canes4life was in charge of Ardie but he's...errr... mysteriously disappeared.
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@bones said in All Blacks v France Test #1:
@no-quarter someone at your end is definitely dragging the chain on Ardie.
@Canes4life was in charge of Ardie but he's...errr... mysteriously disappeared.
@no-quarter said in All Blacks v France Test #1:
@bones said in All Blacks v France Test #1:
@no-quarter someone at your end is definitely dragging the chain on Ardie.
@Canes4life was in charge of Ardie but he's...errr... mysteriously disappeared.
I saw old mate Ardie on the other side of Lambton Quay several weeks ago. For the good of the fern I shoulda popped across to ask him how tall he was but lamentabIy I was already late. I didn't have time to calculate the heights of those walking past him, granted many were a fair bit shorter but Asians often are.
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@antipodean said in All Blacks v France Test #1:
@mariner4life We've played two fullbacks and a power winger for a long time. It works.
I disagree with Crotty and ALB. They individually had very average games in terms of execution and decision making. How that combined becomes brilliant you'll have to explain.
brilliant may have been over-doing it, but they created a lot of opportunities for a couple of blokes playing their first game together in a while. To me (and bear in mind i was watching on a phone while in a restaurant) the errors looked more to be execution than judgement, and I'm not chucking Crotty under the bus for having square wheels, or ALB dropping the ball when about to get fucking smoked because they ran a move that would embarrass an U14 side.
I guess i can't see any player running around who would make a better combination.
Yes, i know we have played the 2 fullbacks thing for ages, fucking duh. But with different personnel back there.
@mariner4life said in All Blacks v France Test #1:
Yes, i know we have played the 2 fullbacks thing for ages, fucking duh. But with different personnel back there.
So if we replaced Jordie with Israel and Rieko with Julian, it's all good? Both had good games, so what's the problem?
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@rocky-rockbottom said in All Blacks v France Test #1:
@no-quarter said in All Blacks v France Test #1:
We share the duties around. I come down hard on anyone that misspeaks about Jordie. @Rancid-Schnitzel has Beauden covered, and we've recruited @Stargazer to white knight Scott as he plays for the Crusaders at the moment.
Highly Informative post. Too dense to really pick up on the white knighting, apart of course from the blazing obvious examples:
Nepia: Piri Weepu
Stagrazer: all cantabsnow got me wondering how far someone could go, white knighting the indefensible, what i'm trying to ask is is there such a thing as a white knight for Michael Collins?
White knight, more like black unicorn.
I don't think I white knighted Piri more than other players - of course, I was just upset that everyone fat shamed him, the poor big boned fulla.
I probably white knight Akira a bit now, or more accurately reverse white knight the Tongan Frizell :pouting_face: .
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Disciplinary update: New Zealand v France, 9 June
Ofa Tu’ungafasi (New Zealand) has received a Citing Commissioner Warning from independent Citing Commissioner Freek Burger (South Africa) for a breach of Law 9.13 during the 59th minute of the New Zealand versus France match at Eden Park on Saturday 9 June. Having reviewed all available camera angles, the Citing Commissioner considered Ofa Tu’ungafasi to have executed a dangerous tackle “just short of” red card level (in accordance with World Rugby Regulation 17), which caused injury to France winger Remy Grosso. In considering the mechanics of the incident, the Citing Commissioner determined that there were mitigating factors which prevented the conduct from reaching the red card level in his opinion. These included Remy Grosso’s body position lowering as he went into contact with Sam Cane, who effected the tackle initially, immediately before Ofa Tu’ungafasi joined a dynamic tackle situation. As a result, the independent Citing Commissioner issued a Citing Commissioner Warning – issued for acts of foul play that are viewed by the Citing Commissioner to come close to but do not warrant the player receiving a red card. In respect of the tackle by Sam Cane, the Citing Commissioner agreed with the on-field action taken by the referee to issue a penalty against him, and therefore no further action was warranted in relation to Sam Cane. -
Disciplinary update: New Zealand v France, 9 June
Ofa Tu’ungafasi (New Zealand) has received a Citing Commissioner Warning from independent Citing Commissioner Freek Burger (South Africa) for a breach of Law 9.13 during the 59th minute of the New Zealand versus France match at Eden Park on Saturday 9 June. Having reviewed all available camera angles, the Citing Commissioner considered Ofa Tu’ungafasi to have executed a dangerous tackle “just short of” red card level (in accordance with World Rugby Regulation 17), which caused injury to France winger Remy Grosso. In considering the mechanics of the incident, the Citing Commissioner determined that there were mitigating factors which prevented the conduct from reaching the red card level in his opinion. These included Remy Grosso’s body position lowering as he went into contact with Sam Cane, who effected the tackle initially, immediately before Ofa Tu’ungafasi joined a dynamic tackle situation. As a result, the independent Citing Commissioner issued a Citing Commissioner Warning – issued for acts of foul play that are viewed by the Citing Commissioner to come close to but do not warrant the player receiving a red card. In respect of the tackle by Sam Cane, the Citing Commissioner agreed with the on-field action taken by the referee to issue a penalty against him, and therefore no further action was warranted in relation to Sam Cane.@stargazer That statement is like a red rag to a bull. The twitter idiots are going to be foaming at the mouth over that.
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Disciplinary update: New Zealand v France, 9 June
Ofa Tu’ungafasi (New Zealand) has received a Citing Commissioner Warning from independent Citing Commissioner Freek Burger (South Africa) for a breach of Law 9.13 during the 59th minute of the New Zealand versus France match at Eden Park on Saturday 9 June. Having reviewed all available camera angles, the Citing Commissioner considered Ofa Tu’ungafasi to have executed a dangerous tackle “just short of” red card level (in accordance with World Rugby Regulation 17), which caused injury to France winger Remy Grosso. In considering the mechanics of the incident, the Citing Commissioner determined that there were mitigating factors which prevented the conduct from reaching the red card level in his opinion. These included Remy Grosso’s body position lowering as he went into contact with Sam Cane, who effected the tackle initially, immediately before Ofa Tu’ungafasi joined a dynamic tackle situation. As a result, the independent Citing Commissioner issued a Citing Commissioner Warning – issued for acts of foul play that are viewed by the Citing Commissioner to come close to but do not warrant the player receiving a red card. In respect of the tackle by Sam Cane, the Citing Commissioner agreed with the on-field action taken by the referee to issue a penalty against him, and therefore no further action was warranted in relation to Sam Cane.@stargazer what a crock, so on Sunday neither deemed to require citing, but as usually, Social media forces WR to do something, even if nothing, but ends up with this farking joke of a statement.
There are processes in place for a reason, if the process is broken, fix that, don't bend the rules to suit when it suits.
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@stargazer what a crock, so on Sunday neither deemed to require citing, but as usually, Social media forces WR to do something, even if nothing, but ends up with this farking joke of a statement.
There are processes in place for a reason, if the process is broken, fix that, don't bend the rules to suit when it suits.
@taniwharugby Legally speaking, the decision is not sound, and badly worded. They shouldn't speak in terms of mitigating factors when assessing whether it was yellow or red (mitigating factors only come into play when determining a sanction).
They basically say now that without the downward movement from Grosso, it would have been a red card, which is weird considering Tu'ungafasi bent at the waist and tackled low.
The assessment should have been in terms of reckless or accidental. Of course, that downward movement should always lead to a conclusion that it was accidental. However, if you look at Tu'ungafasi's body position, there was nothing to suggest he was reckless even without the downward movement. After all, if there hadn't been a downward movement, Tu'ungafasi would have hit Grosso in the chest, not head.
So it wasn't even close to red.
Ah well, at least Ofa can still play on Saturday.
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What is the problem with that statement exactly? For me it provides clarity for why he wasn't cited.
He hit him square in the face with his shoulder so there was always going to be a "case" to answer.
Im happy for them to take the mitigating circumstances into consideration before citing rather than waiting for expensive lawyers to do it in the judiciary. -
Citing Commissioner Explanations are a good thing, and they should be a regular part of the process.
and if such a thing as a "Citing Commissioner Warning" is a real thing .... - for high end yellows, or whatever, then they'd be released as part of the Citing Commissioner Explanations.
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What is the problem with that statement exactly? For me it provides clarity for why he wasn't cited.
He hit him square in the face with his shoulder so there was always going to be a "case" to answer.
Im happy for them to take the mitigating circumstances into consideration before citing rather than waiting for expensive lawyers to do it in the judiciary.@pukunui said in All Blacks v France Test #1:
What is the problem with that statement exactly? For me it provides clarity for why he wasn't cited.
He hit him square in the face with his shoulder so there was always going to be a "case" to answer.
Im happy for them to take the mitigating circumstances into consideration before citing rather than waiting for expensive lawyers to do it in the judiciary.No, that is legally incorrect. There is no case to answer (in terms of citings) if it is accidental.
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Citing Commissioner Explanations are a good thing, and they should be a regular part of the process.
and if such a thing as a "Citing Commissioner Warning" is a real thing .... - for high end yellows, or whatever, then they'd be released as part of the Citing Commissioner Explanations.
@rapido said in All Blacks v France Test #1:
Citing Commissioner Explanations are a good thing, and they should be a regular part of the process.
and if such a thing as a "Citing Commissioner Warning" is a real thing .... - for high end yellows, or whatever, then they'd be released as part of the Citing Commissioner Explanations.
Lol, of course CC warnings are a real thing. They go on a player's record. If Ofa gets two more yellows or CC warnings, he will still get his appointment with the judiciairy and the judiciairy will then consider Ofa's tackle on Grosso and determine a sanction. Hopefully, the Judicial Commission (or whatever it is called) won't take the opportunity to slap him with an undeserved ban if that happens.
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What is the problem with that statement exactly? For me it provides clarity for why he wasn't cited.
He hit him square in the face with his shoulder so there was always going to be a "case" to answer.
Im happy for them to take the mitigating circumstances into consideration before citing rather than waiting for expensive lawyers to do it in the judiciary.@pukunui when else do we hear Citing Commissioner statements on why they didn't cite someone, that is the issue here.
Not the issuing of a statement, in fact transperancy and better clarity would be better, but in this instance it appears WR have forced the statement to show they propery assessed this 'assault' by 2 NZers.
