All Blacks v France Test #2
-
And this time last year IIRC when WR were clamping down on contests in the air, I bemoaned the fact people were being sent off for simply not jumping as high as another competitor. The pendulum has now swung so far back the other way, I'm surprised Beaudy hasn't been called to account for dangerous play.
Look on the bright side. Now the law's been clarified, Beaudy, Rieko and Jordie can engineer something, keeping their eyes on the ball and take out Mike Brown at Twickenham in November......
-
@jk said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
@voltron said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
@rocky-rockbottom
That’s a truly shit analysis.
What about McKenzie showing that he is a world class 10?
Won’t he long before he overtakes BarrettYou are taking the piss right? Thought McKenzie well and truly showed that hes not a first fives asshole.
Well I don’t really watch rugby but I know talent when I see it. Dmac will start at the World Cup
@voltron said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
@jk said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
@voltron said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
@rocky-rockbottom
That’s a truly shit analysis.
What about McKenzie showing that he is a world class 10?
Won’t he long before he overtakes BarrettYou are taking the piss right? Thought McKenzie well and truly showed that hes not a first fives asshole.
Well I don’t really watch rugby but I know talent when I see it. Dmac will start at the World Cup
Hopefully not at 10
-
Couldn't resist a slow mo look at RC.
It seems clear, at least to me, that had Fall done everything the same, other than jumping much higher, no card would have been justified. I don't believe that he wasn't in a position to challenge. The tip over was caused by BB jumping much higher (or Fall much lower) and catching his raised knee on Fall's thigh.
If both players jump high (or low) there is a big collision, but little chance of tip over.
If it had been AFL Fall would have been a foot or two above where he was and unlikely an injury would have resulted.
No idea how one can legislate to ensure both players contesting a high kick jump at roughly similar heights.@pakman said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
Couldn't resist a slow mo look at RC.
Hope you fast-forwarded thru the rest of the game....
-
Look on the bright side. Now the law's been clarified, Beaudy, Rieko and Jordie can engineer something, keeping their eyes on the ball and take out Mike Brown at Twickenham in November......
@victor-meldrew said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
Look on the bright side. Now the law's been clarified, Beaudy, Rieko and Jordie can engineer something, keeping their eyes on the ball and take out Mike Brown at Twickenham in November......
I don't think anything has been clarified, I still expect a red next time someone does that. Unless, maybe, you brush another player within a 5m radius of the catcher?
-
@victor-meldrew said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
Look on the bright side. Now the law's been clarified, Beaudy, Rieko and Jordie can engineer something, keeping their eyes on the ball and take out Mike Brown at Twickenham in November......
I don't think anything has been clarified, I still expect a red next time someone does that. Unless, maybe, you brush another player within a 5m radius of the catcher?
@rapido I dunno, I expect refs will be shit scared of issuing one now for fear of being called out publicly as getting it wrong.
Test 1 Pearce was let down by his TMO & Assistants, this week Gardner has been let down by the Judiciary, who incidentally also played a hand in making a hash of the non-citing and subsequent warning to Ofa as well...what will game 3 turn up.
-
Yep maybe we just stop contesting the ball in the air, and at LOs to make it simpler....oh wait
-
Probably the most egregious outcome over the last two weeks is that Ofa's tackle is now recorded as being
a greaterthe example of foul play out of the two. -
@broughie said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
@hooroo Ok. I guess it is over. Time to go to bed.
I have missed something here but I don't get the context of this post?
-
@hooroo it was 1am in California and I had things that day and once it was down to 14 it was history. Why watch a game that was ruined by a red card?
@broughie said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
@hooroo it was 1am in California and I had things that day and once it was down to 14 it was history. Why watch a game that was ruined by a red card?
I'm a simple, simple man, @broughie I still have no idea what you're on about. Did I say something about we shouldn't watch games with red cards or something?
-
@broughie said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
@hooroo it was 1am in California and I had things that day and once it was down to 14 it was history. Why watch a game that was ruined by a red card?
I'm a simple, simple man, @broughie I still have no idea what you're on about. Did I say something about we shouldn't watch games with red cards or something?
-
@hooroo It was directed at you as you may have started the initial thread. Maybe I need to learn how to post on a thread without referencing someone. I am slow in this regard.
-
@victor-meldrew said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
Look on the bright side. Now the law's been clarified, Beaudy, Rieko and Jordie can engineer something, keeping their eyes on the ball and take out Mike Brown at Twickenham in November......
I don't think anything has been clarified, I still expect a red next time someone does that. Unless, maybe, you brush another player within a 5m radius of the catcher?
@rapido said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
@victor-meldrew said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
Look on the bright side. Now the law's been clarified, Beaudy, Rieko and Jordie can engineer something, keeping their eyes on the ball and take out Mike Brown at Twickenham in November......
I don't think anything has been clarified, I still expect a red next time someone does that. Unless, maybe, you brush another player within a 5m radius of the catcher?
That's the precedent isn't it. High tackle, I was bumped 2 meters away and it messed up my body angle. Not my fault.
-
@rapido said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
@victor-meldrew said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
Look on the bright side. Now the law's been clarified, Beaudy, Rieko and Jordie can engineer something, keeping their eyes on the ball and take out Mike Brown at Twickenham in November......
I don't think anything has been clarified, I still expect a red next time someone does that. Unless, maybe, you brush another player within a 5m radius of the catcher?
That's the precedent isn't it. High tackle, I was bumped 2 meters away and it messed up my body angle. Not my fault.
@mooshld said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
@rapido said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
@victor-meldrew said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
Look on the bright side. Now the law's been clarified, Beaudy, Rieko and Jordie can engineer something, keeping their eyes on the ball and take out Mike Brown at Twickenham in November......
I don't think anything has been clarified, I still expect a red next time someone does that. Unless, maybe, you brush another player within a 5m radius of the catcher?
That's the precedent isn't it. High tackle, I was bumped 2 meters away and it messed up my body angle. Not my fault.
That's this weeks argument.
People spend more time talking about judiciaries than they do the rugby this series.
-
@rapido said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
@victor-meldrew said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
Look on the bright side. Now the law's been clarified, Beaudy, Rieko and Jordie can engineer something, keeping their eyes on the ball and take out Mike Brown at Twickenham in November......
I don't think anything has been clarified, I still expect a red next time someone does that. Unless, maybe, you brush another player within a 5m radius of the catcher?
That's the precedent isn't it. High tackle, I was bumped 2 meters away and it messed up my body angle. Not my fault.
@mooshld said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
@rapido said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
@victor-meldrew said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
Look on the bright side. Now the law's been clarified, Beaudy, Rieko and Jordie can engineer something, keeping their eyes on the ball and take out Mike Brown at Twickenham in November......
I don't think anything has been clarified, I still expect a red next time someone does that. Unless, maybe, you brush another player within a 5m radius of the catcher?
That's the precedent isn't it. High tackle, I was bumped 2 meters away and it messed up my body angle. Not my fault.
TBF, that is the ruling the ABs got at Murrayfield last year. I thought it was a YC for all money but the 'obstruction' on the way to the contest was deemed enough of a mitigating factor.
To the credit of the locals in the crowd it was accepted pretty well. -
@tim be good if Reffing boss came out and said that too.
The reffing committee or whatever need to be more proactive with their game reviews and the like, and this instance, they should be backing Angus up who got it 100% right as per the WR directives, IMO it was the judiciary who have made shit up and thrown Angus under the bus.
erm...wtf, how is that relevant?
Unlike the referee, we had the luxury of time to deliberate and consider, in private, the incident".
-
The worst part of this whole reffing debacle is that it absolutely sends the wrong (and contradictory) message about protecting players against head/neck injuries, and that the interpretation of the law has become even more confusing than it already was. It's wrong and inconvenient at test level, but even worse at club level.
World Rugby has issued "Interpretation of the laws" statements before - including videos and graphics etc - and should do this asap with regard to, particularly, contesting for the ball in the air.
-
Statement of clarification: challenges in the air
World Rugby would like to reconfirm the guidelines employed by match officials and the judicial process relating to challenges in the air, following public and media commentary during the June tests.
The guidelines, which have been operational since 2016, deal with when two players are challenging for a ball in the air and are designed to give clarity and alignment regarding the red card threshold. These guidelines are:
If a player is not in a realistic position to gather the ball, there is contact and their opponent lands on their back or side – Yellow card
If a player is not in a realistic position to gather the ball, there is reckless or deliberate foul play and the player lands in a dangerous position – Red card
A player having eyes on the ball is not by itself a mitigating factor when the match officials are determining whether potential foul play has been committed. The primary considerations is whether both players were in a realistic position to regather the ball.
In respect of the red card issued to Benjamin Fall during the New Zealand versus France match on June 16, the match official team followed the guideline correctly and made a decision based on the available camera angles.
Only during the subsequent review by an independent judicial panel, when additional camera angles were made available, was it determined that Benjamin Fall was knocked off balance immediately prior to the challenge and therefore the red card was dismissed.
-
Statement of clarification: challenges in the air
World Rugby would like to reconfirm the guidelines employed by match officials and the judicial process relating to challenges in the air, following public and media commentary during the June tests.
The guidelines, which have been operational since 2016, deal with when two players are challenging for a ball in the air and are designed to give clarity and alignment regarding the red card threshold. These guidelines are:
If a player is not in a realistic position to gather the ball, there is contact and their opponent lands on their back or side – Yellow card
If a player is not in a realistic position to gather the ball, there is reckless or deliberate foul play and the player lands in a dangerous position – Red card
A player having eyes on the ball is not by itself a mitigating factor when the match officials are determining whether potential foul play has been committed. The primary considerations is whether both players were in a realistic position to regather the ball.
In respect of the red card issued to Benjamin Fall during the New Zealand versus France match on June 16, the match official team followed the guideline correctly and made a decision based on the available camera angles.
Only during the subsequent review by an independent judicial panel, when additional camera angles were made available, was it determined that Benjamin Fall was knocked off balance immediately prior to the challenge and therefore the red card was dismissed.
@tim be cool to see the entire game from these additional camera angles, wonder if it made it any better?
