All Blacks v France Test 3
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@kiwimurph said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
@nepia said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
@kiwimurph said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
Happy to see Frizell there - i'd rather see someone who has a really high ceiling be given a crack rather than the underwhelming options that have been seen previously (Squire, Fifita).
How do you know he has a high ceiling? Hopefully he does, but nothing in his rugby so far suggests that - it's telling that he plays for Ta$man and @Chris-B doesn't even fluff him.
I didn't even know that Hemopo had been brought into the squad until yesterday. The selectors are loving on the Highlanders at the moment ... but at least Hemopo plays and is a Kiwi.
I disagree. He looked a special athlete vs the Blues when he scored a hat-trick (yes yes it's only the Blues and i'm taking that into consideration).
This is exactly why I'm not a fan of this move - you're rating him on one game. What did he do in all the other games he played this year, and by games I mean short cameos.
@nepia said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
@kiwimurph said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
@nepia said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
@kiwimurph said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
Happy to see Frizell there - i'd rather see someone who has a really high ceiling be given a crack rather than the underwhelming options that have been seen previously (Squire, Fifita).
How do you know he has a high ceiling? Hopefully he does, but nothing in his rugby so far suggests that - it's telling that he plays for Ta$man and @Chris-B doesn't even fluff him.
I didn't even know that Hemopo had been brought into the squad until yesterday. The selectors are loving on the Highlanders at the moment ... but at least Hemopo plays and is a Kiwi.
I disagree. He looked a special athlete vs the Blues when he scored a hat-trick (yes yes it's only the Blues and i'm taking that into consideration).
This is exactly why I'm not a fan of this move - you're rating him on one game. What did he do in all the other games he played this year, and by games I mean short cameos.
You asked about his high ceiling and said nothing in his rugby suggests that. I pointed to a game in which his high ceiling was apparent. My point above is that I'm happy to see Frizell picked as Squire and Fifita have been given multiple chances and have mostly underwhelmed. I'm happy for some new blood to be given a go.
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So, my utterly pessimistic thoughts
Tight 5 i guess we are locked in to. All we can hope is that they actually front up this week, and S Barrett is as good as some think, and that the props aren't done.
Worst loose forward trio in living memory. Oh for the heady days of Sam Broomhall.
DMac at 10 will be, interesting to say the least. With SBW outside him he needs to play straighter than he usually does.
Midfield fucks me off. ALB deserves to play. SBW has barely played in a year, the other guy is a rookie. Boom or bust. And combinationless from 9-13.
Outside backs are okay i guess.
Bench? Sheeeet. Props have proven themselves. A new hooker was a necessity. I love Hemopo, but as a test player? Fuck TJ. Pimply Giraffe covering 12? Todd, you're cool though, should be starting. -
@chris-b At this stage I wouldn't be surprised if Hansen started mentioning Frizell at 10 - he's the golden child, young Toeava x 1000.
@machpants said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
If the French somehow manage to slow this down, and their clever/experienced/tested combo midfield manage to pluck our raw pairing, they could win this. Esp if DMac starts trying to fix problems by crazy stuff. But if our boys get on a roll it'll be another shellacking - basically I have no idea what's going to happen. Nice to feel a little nervous ahead of this test, unlike the last two
DMac will only start doing crazy stuff if our pack puts in a powder puff performance like last week. Hopefully they all go hard as this is the big chance for some of them to show their stuff.
@nepia said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
@chris-b At this stage I wouldn't be surprised if Hansen started mentioning Frizell at 10 - he's the golden child, young Toeava x 1000.
That might be a slight exaggeration.
I don't think there would have been peep out of anyone if Akira was injured and Frizell had been picked - we would have been down to a choice of Shannon or Bedwell-Curtis (unless we pointlessly wound the clock back to Kaino or Messam).
I think it's not so much Shannon being a favourite son (though Hansen's even pretty much admitting he's a project - saying this game is a bit earlier than they'd have liked), just that Akira patently isn't!
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Interesting TAB odds for this week - French wound in from $10 to $7.50. AB's still only $1.07.
To me, this looks like quite a beatable AB team - certainly one that the wheels could come off, with loads of inexperience - and particularly on the bench. A big ask if we need the cavalry to come on - the ghost of General Custer might be sitting alongside them!
On the other hand - there are some exciting prospects - particularly interested to see how Frizell and Goodhue get on. I'm expecting Goodhue to go well. Shannon could be good or very bad.
Interesting to hear Hansen talking about possibly shifting Frizell to No. 8. I don't recall him ever playing there for the Mako - it's a position that's been occupied by Squire, Samu and Taufua over most of the past few seasons. Be doubtful that he's played there for the Highlanders either given their options.
"She's pretty big job, Steve"!
@chris-b said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
Interesting TAB odds for this week - French wound in from $10 to $7.50. AB's still only $1.07.
In OZ, the ABs are still paying $1.02 and the French are at $14. Madness.
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@nepia said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
@chris-b At this stage I wouldn't be surprised if Hansen started mentioning Frizell at 10 - he's the golden child, young Toeava x 1000.
That might be a slight exaggeration.
I don't think there would have been peep out of anyone if Akira was injured and Frizell had been picked - we would have been down to a choice of Shannon or Bedwell-Curtis (unless we pointlessly wound the clock back to Kaino or Messam).
I think it's not so much Shannon being a favourite son (though Hansen's even pretty much admitting he's a project - saying this game is a bit earlier than they'd have liked), just that Akira patently isn't!
@chris-b Of course I'd still be peeping - he's not a Kiwi and he barely plays, that doesn't change if Akira doesn't exist.
@KiwiMurph Fair enough that you're happy to see him picked, I personally disagree that a one off highlight reel match suggests a high ceiling (but as I said earlier in thread I hope he lives up to Hansen's hype for the ABs sake), I'd prefer to see regular performances that show it but he just hasn't had the game time yet. I also don't think that Squire has been that bad.
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So, my utterly pessimistic thoughts
Tight 5 i guess we are locked in to. All we can hope is that they actually front up this week, and S Barrett is as good as some think, and that the props aren't done.
Worst loose forward trio in living memory. Oh for the heady days of Sam Broomhall.
DMac at 10 will be, interesting to say the least. With SBW outside him he needs to play straighter than he usually does.
Midfield fucks me off. ALB deserves to play. SBW has barely played in a year, the other guy is a rookie. Boom or bust. And combinationless from 9-13.
Outside backs are okay i guess.
Bench? Sheeeet. Props have proven themselves. A new hooker was a necessity. I love Hemopo, but as a test player? Fuck TJ. Pimply Giraffe covering 12? Todd, you're cool though, should be starting.@mariner4life Struggling to think of a weaker loose forward trio on paper.
http://stats.allblacks.com/asp/teamsheet.asp?MT_ID=2164
Thomson, S Waldrom, Messam. Only Munster and we probably would have lost without the bench.
http://stats.allblacks.com/asp/teamsheet.asp?MT_ID=2128
Collins, Masoe, Tuiali'i - the year we played Argentina and Ireland at the same time.http://stats.allblacks.com/asp/teamsheet.asp?MT_ID=2109
Gibbes, Holah, Rush - vs South Africa - we got dicked!http://stats.allblacks.com/asp/teamsheet.asp?MT_ID=2086
Randell, Holah, and the famous Broomhall - that's not too bad, except Taine had probably given up by this stage. -
@mariner4life Struggling to think of a weaker loose forward trio on paper.
http://stats.allblacks.com/asp/teamsheet.asp?MT_ID=2164
Thomson, S Waldrom, Messam. Only Munster and we probably would have lost without the bench.
http://stats.allblacks.com/asp/teamsheet.asp?MT_ID=2128
Collins, Masoe, Tuiali'i - the year we played Argentina and Ireland at the same time.http://stats.allblacks.com/asp/teamsheet.asp?MT_ID=2109
Gibbes, Holah, Rush - vs South Africa - we got dicked!http://stats.allblacks.com/asp/teamsheet.asp?MT_ID=2086
Randell, Holah, and the famous Broomhall - that's not too bad, except Taine had probably given up by this stage. -
@mariner4life Struggling to think of a weaker loose forward trio on paper.
http://stats.allblacks.com/asp/teamsheet.asp?MT_ID=2164
Thomson, S Waldrom, Messam. Only Munster and we probably would have lost without the bench.
http://stats.allblacks.com/asp/teamsheet.asp?MT_ID=2128
Collins, Masoe, Tuiali'i - the year we played Argentina and Ireland at the same time.http://stats.allblacks.com/asp/teamsheet.asp?MT_ID=2109
Gibbes, Holah, Rush - vs South Africa - we got dicked!http://stats.allblacks.com/asp/teamsheet.asp?MT_ID=2086
Randell, Holah, and the famous Broomhall - that's not too bad, except Taine had probably given up by this stage.@chris-b said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
@mariner4life Struggling to think of a weaker loose forward trio on paper.
http://stats.allblacks.com/asp/teamsheet.asp?MT_ID=2164
Thomson, S Waldrom, Messam. Only Munster and we probably would have lost without the bench.
http://stats.allblacks.com/asp/teamsheet.asp?MT_ID=2128
Collins, Masoe, Tuiali'i - the year we played Argentina and Ireland at the same time.http://stats.allblacks.com/asp/teamsheet.asp?MT_ID=2109
Gibbes, Holah, Rush - vs South Africa - we got dicked!http://stats.allblacks.com/asp/teamsheet.asp?MT_ID=2086
Randell, Holah, and the famous Broomhall - that's not too bad, except Taine had probably given up by this stage.i would take every single one of those trios over what we have this saturday.
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2008: Braid, Kaino, Rodders.
Braid not good enough, Rodders past it, Kaino not yet beast most and replaced by epicly bad Lauaki.
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isn't it great being an AB fan!
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@chris-b Even our shit loose forward trios are generally decent. Despite the fact I'm leading the charge against one of our trio this week, I think they'll actually go quite well this week.
@nepia They'll probably be helped out by Naholo snaffling a few turnovers!
I think it was Meads who famously said, back in the day, something along the lines of "Why does it always take a loss to make the ABs play well."
We didn't lose on the scoreboard, but I think they'll be pretty stung by the shit performance, so we certainly should see the tight five fired up. Loosies will probably go OK on that basis.
I think SBW might be quite pivotal - if he has a good game then DMac is probably going OK (which means the forwards are probably going OK) and he'll be combining OK with Goodhue.
I don't have any doubts about Goodhue other than combining well with SBW. Contrary to M4L I'm delighted Goodhue is playing and hoping he has a storming game, so that he earns himself more starts. I'll be pissed if he has a shocker and drifts out of contention for a year, because I reckon that will just waste a year of the inevitability that he becomes our starting centre.
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@nepia They'll probably be helped out by Naholo snaffling a few turnovers!
I think it was Meads who famously said, back in the day, something along the lines of "Why does it always take a loss to make the ABs play well."
We didn't lose on the scoreboard, but I think they'll be pretty stung by the shit performance, so we certainly should see the tight five fired up. Loosies will probably go OK on that basis.
I think SBW might be quite pivotal - if he has a good game then DMac is probably going OK (which means the forwards are probably going OK) and he'll be combining OK with Goodhue.
I don't have any doubts about Goodhue other than combining well with SBW. Contrary to M4L I'm delighted Goodhue is playing and hoping he has a storming game, so that he earns himself more starts. I'll be pissed if he has a shocker and drifts out of contention for a year, because I reckon that will just waste a year of the inevitability that he becomes our starting centre.
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@mariner4life That one against Munster was pretty awful.
That was Scott Waldrom's only game ever for the ABs and Messam's second ever match, so he was still "headless chook" Messam. I think I'd take this week's combo over that one.
The Gibbes, Holah, Rush one was pretty earnest, but low on talent - Holah redeems it. I think it was the last time Gibbes or Rush played for the ABs.
As I recall, Gibbes didn't turn up!
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@chris-b typical crusader arrogance and entitlement...
@mariner4life said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
@chris-b typical crusader arrogance and entitlement...
Don't make me play the music at you again!!!
I haven't fucking forgotten....
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@mariner4life That one against Munster was pretty awful.
That was Scott Waldrom's only game ever for the ABs and Messam's second ever match, so he was still "headless chook" Messam. I think I'd take this week's combo over that one.
The Gibbes, Holah, Rush one was pretty earnest, but low on talent - Holah redeems it. I think it was the last time Gibbes or Rush played for the ABs.
As I recall, Gibbes didn't turn up!
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@nepia They'll probably be helped out by Naholo snaffling a few turnovers!
I think it was Meads who famously said, back in the day, something along the lines of "Why does it always take a loss to make the ABs play well."
We didn't lose on the scoreboard, but I think they'll be pretty stung by the shit performance, so we certainly should see the tight five fired up. Loosies will probably go OK on that basis.
I think SBW might be quite pivotal - if he has a good game then DMac is probably going OK (which means the forwards are probably going OK) and he'll be combining OK with Goodhue.
I don't have any doubts about Goodhue other than combining well with SBW. Contrary to M4L I'm delighted Goodhue is playing and hoping he has a storming game, so that he earns himself more starts. I'll be pissed if he has a shocker and drifts out of contention for a year, because I reckon that will just waste a year of the inevitability that he becomes our starting centre.
@chris-b said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
@nepia They'll probably be helped out by Naholo snaffling a few turnovers!
I think it was Meads who famously said, back in the day, something along the lines of "Why does it always take a loss to make the ABs play well."
We didn't lose on the scoreboard, but I think they'll be pretty stung by the shit performance, so we certainly should see the tight five fired up. Loosies will probably go OK on that basis.
I think SBW might be quite pivotal - if he has a good game then DMac is probably going OK (which means the forwards are probably going OK) and he'll be combining OK with Goodhue.
I don't have any doubts about Goodhue other than combining well with SBW. Contrary to M4L I'm delighted Goodhue is playing and hoping he has a storming game, so that he earns himself more starts. I'll be pissed if he has a shocker and drifts out of contention for a year, because I reckon that will just waste a year of the inevitability that he becomes our starting centre.
First time I saw Goodhue play (2016 for Canterbury) he had Allblack written all over him. Will be very surprised if he doesn't smash it on Saturday.
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"While star playmaker Beauden Barrett and reserve loose forward/lock Vaea Fifita had recovered from concussion, Hansen refused to pick them." I love how careful the ABs are with concussion management, this is peoples brains.
@machpants Yeah I think NZR are pretty good at managing our guys in regard to head knocks, we have had plenty of players who have been forced to retire (which is why after the clash between Cane & Ofa, why both didn't come off straight away for an HIA was odd)
There must be stats somewhere about who and how many professional players have retired from head knocks in the past few years.
