All Blacks v France Test 3
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Havent fully read the thread yet but some thoughts.
Predictable outcome. ABs prefer to play the game at pace so playing under the roof with the fastest distributing halfback in rugby against a French team playing their last game of a long season in a dead rubber.
So a very much improved performance but given the factors above wouldnt read too much into it.
DMac really showed his stuff at times. He looked best when he rain straight, commited defenders and distributed. I reckon his best play was covering back in the first half in the far corner to stop a French try scoring chance. However, the game was perfectly suited to his strengths (see above) so whilst a much better performance than test 2 he is still a work in progress.
SBW worked his way into the game excellently but like Crotty he cant stay fit - i'd like to see Jordie get some more time at 12.
Goodhue got better as the game went on but given the hype probably underwhelmed. Of course for a debut thats fine but a reminder he will need time.
A Smith much better and Rieko showed why he is the best winger in the world and looked super comfortable on the right wing second half.
Scott Barrett just sensational. Probably the biggest positive out of the series for me. Has really come on.
Frizell showed some glimpses, such as the power for his 'almost' try. The open style of the game probably suited him. Worth continuing to develop I think.
Really good bench impact from Ofa, Todd, Hemopo and as mentioned Jordie.
Fofana is fun to watch - classy player when he clicks.
I cant believe no one in the reffing team picked up Luke Whitelock's knock on at the back of the scrum before one of Rieko's tries. Really poor.
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France
I think Nanai has been far better than him at SR level
If you go back to 2016, plenty of non Blues fans were suggesting him as an outside chance of making the AB's. That was the year he played for the Baabaas at Twickers and went well (Greenwood was a coach and thought he was next AB winger)
He's got himself offside with the franchise coach since then.
I would not be surprised if he had success immediately at another franchise
@duluth said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
France
I think Nanai has been far better than him at SR level
If you go back to 2016 plenty of non Blues fans were suggesting him as an outside chance of making the AB's. I think that was the year be played for the Baabaas at Twickers and went well (Greenwood was a coach and thought he was next AB winger)
He's goten himself offside with the franchise coach since then.
I would not be surprised if he had success immediately at another franchise
Unfortunately in 2017 he got dicked around when Tana preferred the plodding communicator collins.
I think that and his injury this year has seriously dented his development.Still woukdn't surprise me to see Lam become a one season wonder. Heaps of gas and a good finisher but i don't think he has the skills of Ioane or Naholo.
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@rocky-rockbottom said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
@victor-meldrew said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
He need to focus on becoming as accurate, consistent and disciplined as SBW or Nonu c. 2006.
haha, Voltron and his DMac Stockholm Syndrome contagion claims another
Anyone who didn’t see what I saw last night is just a hater
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I’m not suggesting dmac replace beaudy, far from it ,
But it is worth noting he gave our backline a different shape last night
@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
I’m not suggesting dmac replace beaudy, far from it ,
But it is worth noting he gave our backline a different shape last night
Yes but....that was only because our bloody pack fronted this week
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I had some time, so did the rewatch again....
http://www.thesilverfern.com/2018/06/24/the-rewatch-all-black-vs-france-june-23-2018/
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@gt12 I noticed Whitelock running some very Readish lines, those hard hitting unders. Something to ponder about just what that does to the defensive line.
Yeah, it's a good point, because from one of those hard straight runs, we got well over the gain line and attacked super wide. Probably a pretty good example of how opportunities usually arise from some simple good execution in the previous phase(s).
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@duluth said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
France
I think Nanai has been far better than him at SR level
If you go back to 2016 plenty of non Blues fans were suggesting him as an outside chance of making the AB's. I think that was the year be played for the Baabaas at Twickers and went well (Greenwood was a coach and thought he was next AB winger)
He's goten himself offside with the franchise coach since then.
I would not be surprised if he had success immediately at another franchise
he seems to have to have the tools. I wonder what his mental application and work ethic is like? His basic skill set ticks a lot of boxes, but he is a long way from the required standard at the moment. As you say, a new franchise (or a new coach) looks essential if he is to do anything with his career in NZ
@mariner4life said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
@duluth said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
France
I think Nanai has been far better than him at SR level
If you go back to 2016 plenty of non Blues fans were suggesting him as an outside chance of making the AB's. I think that was the year be played for the Baabaas at Twickers and went well (Greenwood was a coach and thought he was next AB winger)
He's goten himself offside with the franchise coach since then.
I would not be surprised if he had success immediately at another franchise
he seems to have to have the tools. I wonder what his mental application and work ethic is like? His basic skill set ticks a lot of boxes, but he is a long way from the required standard at the moment. As you say, a new franchise (or a new coach) looks essential if he is to do anything with his career in NZ
We'll gladly take Nanai off your hands at the Chiefs...and any more discards you want to throw our way
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
@duluth said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
France
I think Nanai has been far better than him at SR level
If you go back to 2016 plenty of non Blues fans were suggesting him as an outside chance of making the AB's. I think that was the year be played for the Baabaas at Twickers and went well (Greenwood was a coach and thought he was next AB winger)
He's goten himself offside with the franchise coach since then.
I would not be surprised if he had success immediately at another franchise
he seems to have to have the tools. I wonder what his mental application and work ethic is like? His basic skill set ticks a lot of boxes, but he is a long way from the required standard at the moment. As you say, a new franchise (or a new coach) looks essential if he is to do anything with his career in NZ
We'll gladly take Nanai off your hands at the Chiefs...and any more discards you want to throw our way
@shadowtrooper said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
@duluth said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
France
I think Nanai has been far better than him at SR level
If you go back to 2016 plenty of non Blues fans were suggesting him as an outside chance of making the AB's. I think that was the year be played for the Baabaas at Twickers and went well (Greenwood was a coach and thought he was next AB winger)
He's goten himself offside with the franchise coach since then.
I would not be surprised if he had success immediately at another franchise
he seems to have to have the tools. I wonder what his mental application and work ethic is like? His basic skill set ticks a lot of boxes, but he is a long way from the required standard at the moment. As you say, a new franchise (or a new coach) looks essential if he is to do anything with his career in NZ
We'll gladly take Nanai off your hands at the Chiefs...and any more discards you want to throw our way
Foe sure, Alaimalo, Nanai, Stevenson as a back three would be very Super Rugby awesome.
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@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
I’m not suggesting dmac replace beaudy, far from it ,
But it is worth noting he gave our backline a different shape last night
Yes but....that was only because our bloody pack fronted this week
@shadowtrooper said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
I’m not suggesting dmac replace beaudy, far from it ,
But it is worth noting he gave our backline a different shape last night
Yes but....that was only because our bloody pack fronted this week
It was heartening to see our pack play more direct in the game. That period culminating in the try not given to Frizell was brilliant
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
@duluth said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
France
I think Nanai has been far better than him at SR level
If you go back to 2016 plenty of non Blues fans were suggesting him as an outside chance of making the AB's. I think that was the year be played for the Baabaas at Twickers and went well (Greenwood was a coach and thought he was next AB winger)
He's goten himself offside with the franchise coach since then.
I would not be surprised if he had success immediately at another franchise
he seems to have to have the tools. I wonder what his mental application and work ethic is like? His basic skill set ticks a lot of boxes, but he is a long way from the required standard at the moment. As you say, a new franchise (or a new coach) looks essential if he is to do anything with his career in NZ
We'll gladly take Nanai off your hands at the Chiefs...and any more discards you want to throw our way
@shadowtrooper said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
@duluth said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
France
I think Nanai has been far better than him at SR level
If you go back to 2016 plenty of non Blues fans were suggesting him as an outside chance of making the AB's. I think that was the year be played for the Baabaas at Twickers and went well (Greenwood was a coach and thought he was next AB winger)
He's goten himself offside with the franchise coach since then.
I would not be surprised if he had success immediately at another franchise
he seems to have to have the tools. I wonder what his mental application and work ethic is like? His basic skill set ticks a lot of boxes, but he is a long way from the required standard at the moment. As you say, a new franchise (or a new coach) looks essential if he is to do anything with his career in NZ
We'll gladly take Nanai off your hands at the Chiefs...and any more discards you want to throw our way
We'll? Your? Where do you think I'm from?
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@shadowtrooper said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
@duluth said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
France
I think Nanai has been far better than him at SR level
If you go back to 2016 plenty of non Blues fans were suggesting him as an outside chance of making the AB's. I think that was the year be played for the Baabaas at Twickers and went well (Greenwood was a coach and thought he was next AB winger)
He's goten himself offside with the franchise coach since then.
I would not be surprised if he had success immediately at another franchise
he seems to have to have the tools. I wonder what his mental application and work ethic is like? His basic skill set ticks a lot of boxes, but he is a long way from the required standard at the moment. As you say, a new franchise (or a new coach) looks essential if he is to do anything with his career in NZ
We'll gladly take Nanai off your hands at the Chiefs...and any more discards you want to throw our way
We'll? Your? Where do you think I'm from?
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@mariner4life North Queensland.
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
@bones said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
@mariner4life North Queensland.
Nailed it bruss
D'yall have six fingers and toes?
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@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
I’m not suggesting dmac replace beaudy, far from it ,
But it is worth noting he gave our backline a different shape last night
Yes but....that was only because our bloody pack fronted this week
@shadowtrooper said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
I’m not suggesting dmac replace beaudy, far from it ,
But it is worth noting he gave our backline a different shape last night
Yes but....that was only because our bloody pack fronted this week
It allowed him to play better , yes ,
But i was talking about his passing game gave us a different look
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Much better performance tonight. Especially with all the new guys in the team.
Scott Barrett my MOTM. Don't see why people are saying he is too slow to cover 6. Not like Kaino was fast. Would much rather a strong tackler/strong carrier and lineout option with good ball skills over a flaah open field runner like Fifita.Dmac was also good. Still had some poor moments but for the most part he was playing like a 10.
Hopefully he and Richie can both develop so we have some good depth at 10.SBW was looking really good. Unfortunate that he got hurt. Think our backline balance with a strong runner at 12 to bend the line.
Thought Goodhue was decent on debut. Especially second half. Hemopo good on debut and i thought Frizzell wasn't as bad as has been said on here but still not seeing what he has over Akira.
Hopefully this is the last time we see Todd miss a squad. Time to have him on the bench in the top team.
Rieko was bloody good again. So much gas. Looked good at centre too.
Think people are jumping the gun on calling Ben Smith past it. He is still a fucking good rugby player.
And while Naholo wasn't great on D tonight he is still a bloody good winger to have in the squad.One and only thing i will say about the ref/tmo: The Frizzell no try was bullshit. Sure if the ref goes upstairs and says can you see a grounding? And the tmo can't see it you don't give the try. But when the ref said he saw it you don't interrupt then overturn the call because you aren't sure if he got it or not. There was no clear held up just like there was no grounding. So go with the refs call ffs.
Also the NZ anthem was awful. I hate the slow warbling opera types.
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@bones said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
Did remind me though. Is Franks that bad at taking the ball up that they have just given up on working with him? He's dropping to the floor at the slightest hint of a tackle and never attempts any kind of leg drive. Surely the coaches can improve that easily?
I remember chatting with old fern mate Red Beard about this. It is a mystery why someone so strong in the gym ( particularly at Olympic style lifting ) has all the impact of a fly hitting a windshield when taking the ball up. If it hasn't improved by now I doubt it ever will.
@mn5 said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
@bones said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
Did remind me though. Is Franks that bad at taking the ball up that they have just given up on working with him? He's dropping to the floor at the slightest hint of a tackle and never attempts any kind of leg drive. Surely the coaches can improve that easily?
I remember chatting with old fern mate Red Beard about this. It is a mystery why someone so strong in the gym ( particularly at Olympic style lifting ) has all the impact of a fly hitting a windshield when taking the ball up. If it hasn't improved by now I doubt it ever will.
Most of the guys you speak of are very slow at point of impact , hard to generate that type of power when you are hardly moving
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@pukunui said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
Not like Kaino was fast.
JK was not a bad sprinter at school.
@pakman said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
@pukunui said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
Not like Kaino was fast.
JK was not a bad sprinter at school.
And from 2011-2015 when he was at his rugby peak?
His running speed would be well down the list of attributes i would use to describe Kaino.
It may never happen anyway but lack of speed is a silly reason for saying Barrett couldn't cover 6.
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@pakman said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
@pukunui said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
Not like Kaino was fast.
JK was not a bad sprinter at school.
And from 2011-2015 when he was at his rugby peak?
His running speed would be well down the list of attributes i would use to describe Kaino.
It may never happen anyway but lack of speed is a silly reason for saying Barrett couldn't cover 6.
I would much prefer that than Fifita covering lock.@pukunui said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
@pakman said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
@pukunui said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
Not like Kaino was fast.
JK was not a bad sprinter at school.
And from 2011-2015 when he was at his rugby peak?
His running speed would be well down the list of attributes i would use to describe Kaino.
It may never happen anyway but lack of speed is a silly reason for saying Barrett couldn't cover 6.
I would much prefer that than Fifita covering lock.The equation for kinetic energy is half mass times velocity squared i.e. much more dependent on speed than size.
No physical contact made though. The try stood.
