All Blacks v France Test 3
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The more I think about the so called 'ref obstruction' bullshit the more it annoys me.
Justin Fuckin Marshall needs to rein his mouth in instead of adding fuel to the myth of refs helping ABs. I am certain that if, instead of harping on like a pissy halfback (oh, hang on) he actually did his job as a so called expert and explained how there is no law that calls that back the overseas papers would not have picked up so heavily on the 'ref helping the ABs' headlines.
I have stolen this gif from the other thread which gives much more context to what happened. Watch what happens before the frozen shots that make it look bad. The ref is allowing the defending halfback to go where he wants, the halfback decides he wants to move in between the ref and the scrum so the ref backs away to give him room. The halfback then decides he wants to move back out and pushes the ref further away while still watching the scrum only and covering the inside. It is only when he sees the pass being made that he decides to look out and by then it is far too late.
I looks like he can't get to DMac because the ref is sandwiched there for a split second but he was never going to tackle him anyway. At the most there would be a desperate tap of the leg but DMac would have also seen that coming and avoided it anyway.
I think what annoys me most is that the 'controversy' has taken away from the brilliant timing, manipulation and angles from the ABs to create the situation in the first place.
I managed to pull off a try like this from 10 once and afterward was stunned at how easy it seemed yet it was just (lucky) perfect timing from 9 and 10.
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I dunno man, my approach on these things is to automatically see how I think I would feel if the opposite occurred.
And I reckon I'd be pretty damn pissed off.
I agree with Hansen that a bit of sanity has to come into proceedings. If Lacey had said "Sorry lads, I got in the way there, lets replay the scrum from the same position", would anybody have been upset?
I'm not sure why what happened before it is totally relevant. The defender is pretty clearly impeded from at least having a crack at DMac.
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I dunno man, my approach on these things is to automatically see how I think I would feel if the opposite occurred.
And I reckon I'd be pretty damn pissed off.
I agree with Hansen that a bit of sanity has to come into proceedings. If Lacey had said "Sorry lads, I got in the way there, lets replay the scrum from the same position", would anybody have been upset?
I'm not sure why what happened before it is totally relevant. The defender is pretty clearly impeded from at least having a crack at DMac.
@majorrage said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
I dunno man, my approach on these things is to automatically see how I think I would feel if the opposite occurred.
Not quite the opposite occurring, but do you put any onus on the player to attempt to fill that hole in a legal way?
Compare Serin in the vid in post above with the direction Smith moves here:
At the time, listening to my good mate Justin, I'm like just call a scrum.
Now. Maybe my back is up, but I'm like; why reward Serin? -
I'm looking at this clip and even before the ball goes in the French half back is already pushing the ref. The ref steps out of his way the halfback then moves back in line with the ref. The half back creates all of his own problems IMO. Did it have any bearing on the result, NO. They still would have lost by 40.
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Look at the alternative suggested by the clamouring halfwits; if a player is slightly impeded by a referee, are you going to stop and play a scrum? How easy would that be to game? Just run into the ref and flail your arms about like you're playing association football.
Serin was never going to get to DMac. Lacey would have needed to be a portal into another dimension.
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@duluth said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
Pretty sure it was 13
Goodhue at 12, Smith wing & Barrett fullback
This is an indication of what Hansen plans for R. Ioane and J. Barrett. The simple solution would have been to slot Barrett in midfield as a replacement for SBW. But it did not happen.
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@duluth said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
Pretty sure it was 13
Goodhue at 12, Smith wing & Barrett fullback
This is an indication of what Hansen plans for R. Ioane and J. Barrett. The simple solution would have been to slot Barrett in midfield as a replacement for SBW. But it did not happen.
Hi Bones, does this make you change your mind ?@cgrant said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
@duluth said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
Pretty sure it was 13
Goodhue at 12, Smith wing & Barrett fullback
This is an indication of what Hansen plans for R. Ioane and J. Barrett. The simple solution would have been to slot Barrett in midfield as a replacement for SBW. But it did not happen.
Hi Bones, does this make you change your mind ?Only in the TSF world that thinks JB can play anywhere in the backline just because.
I'd be pretty certain that injury scenarios are practised at trainings given that we now select the 23 based on impact rather than purely on cover.
They will have fiddled with scenarios and it looks like there was an organised plan based on what situation was happening on the field. Reiko, JB and BFA all moved around to different spots at different times. If someone had to cover deep for kicks it was usually JB and BFA. If we had the ball then two of the three would be up in the line with one running support depending on where they identified the opportunities.
I think we are seeing a new coaching take on using subs that is far more organised than just man for man change.
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@cgrant said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
@duluth said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
Pretty sure it was 13
Goodhue at 12, Smith wing & Barrett fullback
This is an indication of what Hansen plans for R. Ioane and J. Barrett. The simple solution would have been to slot Barrett in midfield as a replacement for SBW. But it did not happen.
Hi Bones, does this make you change your mind ?Only in the TSF world that thinks JB can play anywhere in the backline just because.
I'd be pretty certain that injury scenarios are practised at trainings given that we now select the 23 based on impact rather than purely on cover.
They will have fiddled with scenarios and it looks like there was an organised plan based on what situation was happening on the field. Reiko, JB and BFA all moved around to different spots at different times. If someone had to cover deep for kicks it was usually JB and BFA. If we had the ball then two of the three would be up in the line with one running support depending on where they identified the opportunities.
I think we are seeing a new coaching take on using subs that is far more organised than just man for man change.
@crucial it certainty shifts around. Naholo has even slotted into the midfield during a test match following a substitution.
I think Ioane is only going to cover in emergencies rather than a strategic option there. I think they would’ve planned to have SBW and Goodhue play the 80 given both have had splinters this far in the series.
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@duluth said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
Pretty sure it was 13
Goodhue at 12, Smith wing & Barrett fullback
This is an indication of what Hansen plans for R. Ioane and J. Barrett. The simple solution would have been to slot Barrett in midfield as a replacement for SBW. But it did not happen.
Hi Bones, does this make you change your mind ?@cgrant said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
@duluth said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
Pretty sure it was 13
Goodhue at 12, Smith wing & Barrett fullback
This is an indication of what Hansen plans for R. Ioane and J. Barrett. The simple solution would have been to slot Barrett in midfield as a replacement for SBW. But it did not happen.
Hi Bones, does this make you change your mind ?About as much as TJ Perenara covering wing or DMac covering halfback. Fuck while we're at it, Kaino is a lock, right?
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Just watching 1014 on sky sport and they analysis they do on the play patterns is farken good. Really interesting review of the series v France
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@jk Damn, I missed it again. Why does Sky never broadcast a replay of this programme? There are several replays of the Breakdown, but I can't find one single replay of 1014.
@stargazer said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
@jk Damn, I missed it again. Why does Sky never broadcast a replay of this programme? There are several replays of the Breakdown, but I can't find one single replay of 1014.
I know! I misssed the first couple minutes and searched for a replay but didn’t find grrr
Was very good
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@stargazer said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
@jk Damn, I missed it again. Why does Sky never broadcast a replay of this programme? There are several replays of the Breakdown, but I can't find one single replay of 1014.
I know! I misssed the first couple minutes and searched for a replay but didn’t find grrr
Was very good
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I'm looking at this clip and even before the ball goes in the French half back is already pushing the ref. The ref steps out of his way the halfback then moves back in line with the ref. The half back creates all of his own problems IMO. Did it have any bearing on the result, NO. They still would have lost by 40.
@wreck-diver said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
Did it have any bearing on the result, NO. They still would have lost by 40.
Yep - the whinging about the adversity suffered by the French - which basically amounted to an unlucky yellow card and a bit of ref shepherding - is way over the top.
On the back of those two events they suffered two defeats that would have been the heaviest in AB history if sustained by us.
You've got to be able to overcome a bit of adversity!
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First and 2nd test analysis on links below
Havent watched these two yet so not sure if up to the same standard as last nights which impressed me much.
Hopefully will get last nights episode.
@jk
Thanks. I had watched the first show on sky and liked it, but had forgotten about it.Just watched the test 2 review above. Fucking brilliant, better than the first show I watched. Excellent analysis of back field defence and impact of playing with 14 men. Also very interesting comparison of how NZ play at the back compared to France (if they had 15).
Good work those guys. Making a very positive contribution.
