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@bones said in NH International Rugby:
@crucial again, I thought it was clear. Clearly never saw it on the ground. France held it up.
You seem to misunderstand. Clearly not seeing something is not clearly seeing something.
The TMO has to clearly see that the ball never grazed the grass because the ref called a try.
If the ref calls no try the TMO has to clearly see the ball graze the grass.
You would have had two different decisions depending on what the ref initially called -
Def yellow though, shoulder to chin, but degree of danger low. O'Aki should have gone lower. Same as rucks, just cos you can't roll away doesn't make it not a penalty, don't put yourself there
@machpants said in NH International Rugby:
Def yellow though, shoulder to chin, but degree of danger low. O'Aki should have gone lower. Same as rucks, just cos you can't roll away doesn't make it not a penalty, don't put yourself there
I agree it was a card under the current framework, but difficult to see what a tackler is supposed to do when an attacking player leads head first basically at horizontal like Billy did - how do you not make contact with the head there (saying nothing about force, though)?
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@machpants said in NH International Rugby:
Def yellow though, shoulder to chin, but degree of danger low. O'Aki should have gone lower. Same as rucks, just cos you can't roll away doesn't make it not a penalty, don't put yourself there
I agree it was a card under the current framework, but difficult to see what a tackler is supposed to do when an attacking player leads head first basically at horizontal like Billy did - how do you not make contact with the head there (saying nothing about force, though)?
@junior as always, you're a pro player, don't be there. Taking it to ridiculous extremes, if the only way you can stop a try being scored is to kick the person in the head, do you do it? If you can't take within the laws, don't tackle. I liked it cos it takes interpretation out. Can't roll away? Tough shit, make your tackle completion so you end on the correct side. Can't get low enough to tackle without head contact? Pull out of the tackle
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@junior as always, you're a pro player, don't be there. Taking it to ridiculous extremes, if the only way you can stop a try being scored is to kick the person in the head, do you do it? If you can't take within the laws, don't tackle. I liked it cos it takes interpretation out. Can't roll away? Tough shit, make your tackle completion so you end on the correct side. Can't get low enough to tackle without head contact? Pull out of the tackle
@machpants you make it sound so easy.
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@machpants said in NH International Rugby:
Def yellow though, shoulder to chin, but degree of danger low. O'Aki should have gone lower. Same as rucks, just cos you can't roll away doesn't make it not a penalty, don't put yourself there
I agree it was a card under the current framework, but difficult to see what a tackler is supposed to do when an attacking player leads head first basically at horizontal like Billy did - how do you not make contact with the head there (saying nothing about force, though)?
@junior it does need to be clear cut rather than an interpretation if players are to have a n excuse to the coach for pulling away from a tackle. We often see players driving low and head first at the line to score and tacklers making direct head contact yet that gets ignored unless there is injury or the try isn’t scored.
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@machpants you make it sound so easy.
@crazy-horse said in NH International Rugby:
@machpants you make it sound so easy.
It is easy, for the ref to pull the card! It's the laws now so the players just have to learn to deal with it. Or not and get carded
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@junior as always, you're a pro player, don't be there. Taking it to ridiculous extremes, if the only way you can stop a try being scored is to kick the person in the head, do you do it? If you can't take within the laws, don't tackle. I liked it cos it takes interpretation out. Can't roll away? Tough shit, make your tackle completion so you end on the correct side. Can't get low enough to tackle without head contact? Pull out of the tackle
@machpants said in NH International Rugby:
@junior as always, you're a pro player, don't be there. Taking it to ridiculous extremes, if the only way you can stop a try being scored is to kick the person in the head, do you do it? If you can't take within the laws, don't tackle. I liked it cos it takes interpretation out. Can't roll away? Tough shit, make your tackle completion so you end on the correct side. Can't get low enough to tackle without head contact? Pull out of the tackle
taking it to your extreme, remember you can't tackle a player in the air. So, what about between strides - if you get your timing wrong, you hit someone wihtout feet on the ground ... and that's on you right?
The tackle laws are a bit of a lottery. It's annoying seeing players making a fair bit of an effort, and still copping reds. Aki today, Ofa last year. It's damn annoying. If the objective is safety, there needs to be some onus on the carrying player to either stay high, or not lead with the head
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Aaaargh! A truly awful performance from England. No imagination, no discipline and no real intent to play rugby. A very dispiriting display. Hats of to Ireland though for a great performance. Tough on Aki for the red, just made it more embarrassing for us though.
Wales v France was a cracking game with both teams looking to play. Incredible finish by the French to nick it at the end. Wales best performance of the tournament I felt.
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Watched the last 20 back
Pivac got some of his substitutions and timing of the substitutions wrong this week, which ultimately cost us the match.
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@machpants said in NH International Rugby:
@junior as always, you're a pro player, don't be there. Taking it to ridiculous extremes, if the only way you can stop a try being scored is to kick the person in the head, do you do it? If you can't take within the laws, don't tackle. I liked it cos it takes interpretation out. Can't roll away? Tough shit, make your tackle completion so you end on the correct side. Can't get low enough to tackle without head contact? Pull out of the tackle
taking it to your extreme, remember you can't tackle a player in the air. So, what about between strides - if you get your timing wrong, you hit someone wihtout feet on the ground ... and that's on you right?
The tackle laws are a bit of a lottery. It's annoying seeing players making a fair bit of an effort, and still copping reds. Aki today, Ofa last year. It's damn annoying. If the objective is safety, there needs to be some onus on the carrying player to either stay high, or not lead with the head
@nzzp said in NH International Rugby:
Ofa last year.
Where he dipped a tiny bit but was still pretty much standing up? Do you not see the problem here? That's pretty much zero effort and an awful example to throw up.
Now imagine Ofa had bent at the hips (he's a prop right), aimed that a foot lower, he would have obliterated the guy - legally.
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So given that the 6 nations is now over*, who's in your Lions XV (or XXIII, if you prefer)?
*ok, there's one postponed match left, but that doesn't involve teams who contribute players to the Lions
@gibbonrib said in NH International Rugby:
So given that the 6 nations is now over*, who's in your Lions XV (or XXIII, if you prefer)?
*ok, there's one postponed match left, but that doesn't involve teams who contribute players to the Lions
https://www.forum.thesilverfern.com/topic/3619/2021-british-irish-lions-tour-to-sa/139
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Watched the last 20 back
Pivac got some of his substitutions and timing of the substitutions wrong this week, which ultimately cost us the match.
@mikethesnow said in NH International Rugby:
Watched the last 20 back
Pivac got some of his substitutions and timing of the substitutions wrong this week, which ultimately cost us the match.
Yeah agree. I've grown accustomed to Wales being very good at managing the last quarter - fitness, belief, discipline, smart substitutions - which should have been enough to see us home yesterday. Two critical penalties conceded by players who should have fresh legs and fresh heads (Hill and Haloholo)
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@gibbonrib said in NH International Rugby:
So given that the 6 nations is now over*, who's in your Lions XV (or XXIII, if you prefer)?
*ok, there's one postponed match left, but that doesn't involve teams who contribute players to the Lions
https://www.forum.thesilverfern.com/topic/3619/2021-british-irish-lions-tour-to-sa/139
@mikethesnow said in NH International Rugby:
@gibbonrib said in NH International Rugby:
So given that the 6 nations is now over*, who's in your Lions XV (or XXIII, if you prefer)?
*ok, there's one postponed match left, but that doesn't involve teams who contribute players to the Lions
https://www.forum.thesilverfern.com/topic/3619/2021-british-irish-lions-tour-to-sa/139
Ah, thanks. Although if they relocate it to UK&I then the tour will technically be northern hemisphere rugby...
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Fabien Galthue:
"I don't think he deserves a heavy sanction. There is clearly no contact, or if there is it's very limited. It's absolutely not voluntary. If you really watch the reaction of the Welsh players, they specialise in making the opponents get red cards. Their body language is quite clear. I hope the referee takes that into consideration."
So the villain here is not Willemse, or even the ref or the TMO, it's Wynne Jones for interfering with Willemse's thumb with his eyeball.
What an absolute tool.
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Fabien Galthue:
"I don't think he deserves a heavy sanction. There is clearly no contact, or if there is it's very limited. It's absolutely not voluntary. If you really watch the reaction of the Welsh players, they specialise in making the opponents get red cards. Their body language is quite clear. I hope the referee takes that into consideration."
So the villain here is not Willemse, or even the ref or the TMO, it's Wynne Jones for interfering with Willemse's thumb with his eyeball.
What an absolute tool.
@gibbonrib said in NH International Rugby:
Fabien Galthue:
"I don't think he deserves a heavy sanction. There is clearly no contact, or if there is it's very limited. It's absolutely not voluntary. If you really watch the reaction of the Welsh players, they specialise in making the opponents get red cards. Their body language is quite clear. I hope the referee takes that into consideration."
So the villain here is not Willemse, or even the ref or the TMO, it's Wynne Jones for interfering with Willemse's thumb with his eyeball.
What an absolute tool.
No need to react, pull a face and throw your arms up just because you have something stuck in your eye pulling you over. Get on with the game, players have gone soft.
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@sparky said in NH International Rugby:
BBC are talking about points differential. That is what it's been in the past.
Think they changed it a few years back to points diff.
@pakman said in NH International Rugby:
@sparky said in NH International Rugby:
BBC are talking about points differential. That is what it's been in the past.
Think they changed it a few years back to points diff.
It's never been based on head to head result.
Up until 1993, if teams were level on games won they would share the title. Maybe it was considered unseemly to win by a big margin? 1973 had the crazy situation of a five-way tie - all teams won their two home matches and lost both away games.
1994 was the first year they used points difference and also the first time it decided the outcome. Wales won their first 3 and were going for the Slam, to end a 16 year drought (which seemed like a long time at the time). England had won two but lost to Ireland. So when then played in the final match, England needed to win by 16(?) to become champions.
In the end they won by I think 7. So we had the weird situation of Wales losing the game and missing out on the grand slam, but also becoming 5 Nations Champions.
Bonus points were introduced in 2017, but we haven't had a title decided by them yet. (Could happen this year if France win without a bonus point on Friday)
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@pakman said in NH International Rugby:
@sparky said in NH International Rugby:
BBC are talking about points differential. That is what it's been in the past.
Think they changed it a few years back to points diff.
It's never been based on head to head result.
Up until 1993, if teams were level on games won they would share the title. Maybe it was considered unseemly to win by a big margin? 1973 had the crazy situation of a five-way tie - all teams won their two home matches and lost both away games.
1994 was the first year they used points difference and also the first time it decided the outcome. Wales won their first 3 and were going for the Slam, to end a 16 year drought (which seemed like a long time at the time). England had won two but lost to Ireland. So when then played in the final match, England needed to win by 16(?) to become champions.
In the end they won by I think 7. So we had the weird situation of Wales losing the game and missing out on the grand slam, but also becoming 5 Nations Champions.
Bonus points were introduced in 2017, but we haven't had a title decided by them yet. (Could happen this year if France win without a bonus point on Friday)
@gibbonrib said in NH International Rugby:
@pakman said in NH International Rugby:
@sparky said in NH International Rugby:
BBC are talking about points differential. That is what it's been in the past.
Think they changed it a few years back to points diff.
It's never been based on head to head result.
Up until 1993, if teams were level on games won they would share the title. Maybe it was considered unseemly to win by a big margin? 1973 had the crazy situation of a five-way tie - all teams won their two home matches and lost both away games.
1994 was the first year they used points difference and also the first time it decided the outcome. Wales won their first 3 and were going for the Slam, to end a 16 year drought (which seemed like a long time at the time). England had won two but lost to Ireland. So when then played in the final match, England needed to win by 16(?) to become champions.
In the end they won by I think 7. So we had the weird situation of Wales losing the game and missing out on the grand slam, but also becoming 5 Nations Champions.
Bonus points were introduced in 2017, but we haven't had a title decided by them yet. (Could happen this year if France win without a bonus point on Friday)
And France will snatch the title from Wayne Pivac's side if they beat Scotland with a winning margin of 21 points or more in a bonus-point win.
Victory by 21 points or more, without the bonus point for scoring four tries, would not be enough for France to lift the trophy.
Should France secure a bonus-point win with a 20-point winning margin, they would be separated from Wales on tries scored across the campaign.
Wales have scored 20 tries to France's 15.
If France score five tries and beat Scotland by 20 points, the title would be shared for the first time since 1988.
A bonus-point victory for Scotland would ensure them second place in the table behind Wales.
