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@Catogrande said in NH International Rugby:
However I am distinctly uncomfortable with England picking guys like Heinz, Shields and Waldrom. Sure it's within the rules but it just does not feel right to me.
I find it delightfully ironic that pretty much the only teams that do not embrace the "grandparent rule" are the SANZAR nations.
@Higgins said in NH International Rugby:
@Catogrande said in NH International Rugby:
However I am distinctly uncomfortable with England picking guys like Heinz, Shields and Waldrom. Sure it's within the rules but it just does not feel right to me.
I find it delightfully ironic that pretty much the only teams that do not embrace the "grandparent rule" are the SANZAR nations.
Net immigration might have a bearing on that.
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The likes of Will Heinz "playing for England" is the reason why I don't support ENG despite having strong links to ENG
A 2nd rate Kiwi has no business playing for ENG
What do Kiwi members of TSF think of this fucking turncoat
@Jaguares4real said in NH International Rugby:
The likes of Will Heinz "playing for England" is the reason why I don't support ENG despite having strong links to ENG
A 2nd rate Kiwi has no business playing for ENG
What do Kiwi members of TSF think of this fucking turncoat
Are you Argentinian?
If not you're a f*cking turncoat yourself.
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@Jaguares4real said in NH International Rugby:
The likes of Will Heinz "playing for England" is the reason why I don't support ENG despite having strong links to ENG
A 2nd rate Kiwi has no business playing for ENG
What do Kiwi members of TSF think of this fucking turncoat
Are you Argentinian?
If not you're a f*cking turncoat yourself.
@Billy-Tell said in NH International Rugby:
@Jaguares4real said in NH International Rugby:
The likes of Will Heinz "playing for England" is the reason why I don't support ENG despite having strong links to ENG
A 2nd rate Kiwi has no business playing for ENG
What do Kiwi members of TSF think of this fucking turncoat
Are you Argentinian?
If not you're a f*cking turncoat yourself.
Irony and comprehension are not its strong points.
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@Jaguares4real said in NH International Rugby:
The likes of Will Heinz "playing for England" is the reason why I don't support ENG despite having strong links to ENG
A 2nd rate Kiwi has no business playing for ENG
What do Kiwi members of TSF think of this fucking turncoat
Are you Argentinian?
If not you're a f*cking turncoat yourself.
@Billy-Tell said in NH International Rugby:
@Jaguares4real said in NH International Rugby:
@Catogrande
A 2nd rate Kiwi has no business playing for ENGWhat do Kiwi members of TSF think of this fucking turncoat
Are you Argentinian?
If not you're a f*cking turncoat yourself.
I've got some bad news for you Buster...
I'm not English
Assumptions are the mother of fuck ups
CC: @Bones
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@Billy-Tell said in NH International Rugby:
@Jaguares4real said in NH International Rugby:
@Catogrande
A 2nd rate Kiwi has no business playing for ENGWhat do Kiwi members of TSF think of this fucking turncoat
Are you Argentinian?
If not you're a f*cking turncoat yourself.
I've got some bad news for you Buster...
I'm not English
Assumptions are the mother of fuck ups
CC: @Bones
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@Stargazer good post.
I have to agree. Even though there are times it can seem mercenary you can’t deny a player an opportunity just because fans disagree.
As any parent of a potential international (even if that potential is a dream) can attest you play with the idea of what countries your kid would be eligible for. My son would qualify for England, Scotland, Australia and NZ.
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@Stargazer good post.
I have to agree. Even though there are times it can seem mercenary you can’t deny a player an opportunity just because fans disagree.
As any parent of a potential international (even if that potential is a dream) can attest you play with the idea of what countries your kid would be eligible for. My son would qualify for England, Scotland, Australia and NZ.
I’d have to support him through gritted teeth if he was to play for a couple of those but would also be proud and pleased.I'm happy to acknowledge folks who're Dual Nationals, Refugee backgrounds etc who have varied and complex backgrounds
Something I understand very wellBralley was ENG U20 player & was the bloody Captain
Also capped throughout ENG age group levelI can not tolerate Bralley then not being good enough for ENG & playing for Italy Fuck Outta Here!!!
Once you commit at U20 level you don't change national allegiances in Int'l Rugby
Heinz is a mercenary pure & simple Having a granny who lived in ENG 70+ years ago ain't going to cut it
Int'l Rugby is not a playground for 2nd rate players to play for Inferior nations to play at RWC and earn some extra coin
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I'm happy to acknowledge folks who're Dual Nationals, Refugee backgrounds etc who have varied and complex backgrounds
Something I understand very wellBralley was ENG U20 player & was the bloody Captain
Also capped throughout ENG age group levelI can not tolerate Bralley then not being good enough for ENG & playing for Italy Fuck Outta Here!!!
Once you commit at U20 level you don't change national allegiances in Int'l Rugby
Heinz is a mercenary pure & simple Having a granny who lived in ENG 70+ years ago ain't going to cut it
Int'l Rugby is not a playground for 2nd rate players to play for Inferior nations to play at RWC and earn some extra coin
@Jaguares4real said in NH International Rugby:
I'm happy to acknowledge folks who're Dual Nationals, Refugee backgrounds etc who have varied and complex backgrounds
Something I understand very wellBralley was ENG U20 player & was the bloody Captain
Also capped throughout ENG age group levelI can not tolerate Bralley then not being good enough for ENG & playing for Italy Fuck Outta Here!!!
Once you commit at U20 level you don't change national allegiances in Int'l Rugby
Heinz is a mercenary pure & simple Having a granny who lived in ENG 70+ years ago ain't going to cut it
Int'l Rugby is not a playground for 2nd rate players to play for Inferior nations to play at RWC and earn some extra coin
That post is so fucked on so many levels I don’t know where to start.
For starters you quite obviously don’t understand ‘complex backgrounds’ at all. Who are you to judge and ‘understand’ a particular person’s family dynamics.
From what I understand Heinz’s grandmother is proud English and always lived in England. She has maintained and promoted that aspect of heritage with her grandchildren.
An 18 or 19 year old will take any opportunity offered and not necessarily one that ends up one that defines their later life.
If Heinz wants to play for an inferior nation (
) then by definition he has been deemed at the level of that team.
My only complaint about waka jumping comes when a player is offered a deal they can’t refuse that is probably against their desires. -
Italians taking the piss again with Mercenary players
Callum Braley born and bred in ENG
ENG U20 captain but has a Italian granddad so plays for Italy
This quote below is disgusting Int'l Rugby not a shopping centre where you
pick & choose what nation you want to to play and game the system“As a kid I always dreamt of playing international rugby and I always knew that could be two avenues
so it’s one of them, whichever came first and gave me that opportunity and believed in me the most,”@Jaguares4real said in NH International Rugby:
Italians taking the piss again with Mercenary players
Callum Braley born and bred in ENG
ENG U20 captain but has a Italian granddad so plays for Italy
This quote below is disgusting Int'l Rugby not a shopping centre where you
pick & choose what nation you want to to play and game the system“As a kid I always dreamt of playing international rugby and I always knew that could be two avenues
so it’s one of them, whichever came first and gave me that opportunity and believed in me the most,”Ummmmmm who the hell are you to say what someone thinks ?
If god forbid I was anywhere near good enough to play international Rugby I could have gone for the country I love and have lived in most of my life ( New Zealand ) or where my old man was born and one which I'm fiercely proud of my heritage ( Scotland ).
If you've got the family ties then fucken do it, I have nothing but respect for the Leslie brothers, Gordon Simpson, Brendan Laney and many others for what they gave to the blue jersey.
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@Jaguares4real said in NH International Rugby:
I'm happy to acknowledge folks who're Dual Nationals, Refugee backgrounds etc who have varied and complex backgrounds
Something I understand very wellBralley was ENG U20 player & was the bloody Captain
Also capped throughout ENG age group levelI can not tolerate Bralley then not being good enough for ENG & playing for Italy Fuck Outta Here!!!
Once you commit at U20 level you don't change national allegiances in Int'l Rugby
Heinz is a mercenary pure & simple Having a granny who lived in ENG 70+ years ago ain't going to cut it
Int'l Rugby is not a playground for 2nd rate players to play for Inferior nations to play at RWC and earn some extra coin
That post is so fucked on so many levels I don’t know where to start.
For starters you quite obviously don’t understand ‘complex backgrounds’ at all. Who are you to judge and ‘understand’ a particular person’s family dynamics.
From what I understand Heinz’s grandmother is proud English and always lived in England. She has maintained and promoted that aspect of heritage with her grandchildren.
An 18 or 19 year old will take any opportunity offered and not necessarily one that ends up one that defines their later life.
If Heinz wants to play for an inferior nation ( ) then by definition he has been deemed at the level of that team.
My only complaint about waka jumping comes when a player is offered a deal they can’t refuse that is probably against their desires. -
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Great country the little I've seen, great people.
Would love to travel to Georgia for a 7-nations match and then go skiing.
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Great country the little I've seen, great people.
Would love to travel to Georgia for a 7-nations match and then go skiing.
@MiketheSnow we had them in my area during the 2011 RWC. So the Council and local businesses produced Georgia supporting t-shirts, all the kids were wearing them. We had parades and huge dinner nights etc. Great bunch, they were pretty shocked!
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@Jaguares4real said in NH International Rugby:
Italians taking the piss again with Mercenary players
Callum Braley born and bred in ENG
ENG U20 captain but has a Italian granddad so plays for Italy
This quote below is disgusting Int'l Rugby not a shopping centre where you
pick & choose what nation you want to to play and game the system“As a kid I always dreamt of playing international rugby and I always knew that could be two avenues
so it’s one of them, whichever came first and gave me that opportunity and believed in me the most,”Ummmmmm who the hell are you to say what someone thinks ?
If god forbid I was anywhere near good enough to play international Rugby I could have gone for the country I love and have lived in most of my life ( New Zealand ) or where my old man was born and one which I'm fiercely proud of my heritage ( Scotland ).
If you've got the family ties then fucken do it, I have nothing but respect for the Leslie brothers, Gordon Simpson, Brendan Laney and many others for what they gave to the blue jersey.
@MN5 said in NH International Rugby:
@Jaguares4real said in NH International Rugby:
Italians taking the piss again with Mercenary players
Callum Braley born and bred in ENG
ENG U20 captain but has a Italian granddad so plays for Italy
This quote below is disgusting Int'l Rugby not a shopping centre where you
pick & choose what nation you want to to play and game the system“As a kid I always dreamt of playing international rugby and I always knew that could be two avenues
so it’s one of them, whichever came first and gave me that opportunity and believed in me the most,”Ummmmmm who the hell are you to say what someone thinks ?
If god forbid I was anywhere near good enough to play international Rugby I could have gone for the country I love and have lived in most of my life ( New Zealand ) or where my old man was born and one which I'm fiercely proud of my heritage ( Scotland ).
If you've got the family ties then fucken do it, I have nothing but respect for the Leslie brothers, Gordon Simpson, Brendan Laney and many others for what they gave to the blue jersey.
At the end of the day it is professional sport and you do what is best for your career, sure it is a bonus and privilege if you can do it for your country of birth. Look at other sports, football, cricket even
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Good piece on the rise and rise and rise of the Welsh national side over the last 18 months:
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Nigel Owens to make history by being first referee to officiate in a match involving their own country
Wales v Barbarians at the Principality Stadium on 30 November 2019
Pivac v Gatland
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Nigel Owens to make history by being first referee to officiate in a match involving their own country
Wales v Barbarians at the Principality Stadium on 30 November 2019
Pivac v Gatland
@MiketheSnow First time in the professional era maybe but certainly not the first time.
Personally I would be more than happy to see Owens ref a match between Wales and the AB's. Rather have a competent "home" ref than a mumpty neutral.
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@MiketheSnow First time in the professional era maybe but certainly not the first time.
Personally I would be more than happy to see Owens ref a match between Wales and the AB's. Rather have a competent "home" ref than a mumpty neutral.
@dogmeat said in NH International Rugby:
@MiketheSnow First time in the professional era maybe but certainly not the first time.
Personally I would be more than happy to see Owens ref a match between Wales and the AB's. Rather have a competent "home" ref than a mumpty neutral.
Yes, of course
