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SOme fair points from Mr Barnes!
@machpants Barnes is the proverbial stopped clock - he will be right every now and then. Sadly (from and England perspective) all valid points.
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Warren Gatland spends a lot of his year in New Zealand. It doesn't stop him being a superb coach for Wales.
Cueball is a tough guy and an excellent training ground coach. He'll do a lot to develop the English players especially their backrow players.
A tip though, Eddie, don't let the man who picked Ben Atiga ahead of Christian Cullen anywhere near team selection.
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@mikethesnow Gimp. I think the word you're looking for is gimp.
I’ll have you know he’s a deep thinker . It says so here.
https://rugby365.com/countries/england/mitchells-notorious-track-record/
Bwahahahahaha
"the results have been sub-par with the exception of his short stint at the helm of the All Blacks."
Fuck off. Par is 1st, not 3rd.
As much as I hate to say it, par for 2003 WC would really have been second. England results in the run-in to that tournament were very hard to argue against.
However, big difference between 2nd and 3rd. We had the cattle to get over the line in that semi, just not the whole package. I don't think we had the cattle to win it though.
I do agree generally, although I do think we could have beaten England. I gave us a 40% chance.
I felt we had outmuscled them in the forwards in Wellington* but they did enough to win. We were especially effective in thst game (and the two big scoring games in SA and Aus) when we kept it very close to the forwards (pick and gos, one off runners etc). When we tried to go a little wider v Aus in the semi we got picked off and shut down. I was expecting (hoping for) similar forward dominance in the final. Shame there was no final in 03 ...
But it would have been an injustice (one I coukd have lived with) if England had lost that.
*Don't start me on the 6 man scrum thing: that was a penalty try to Rodders all day long.
@booboo Didn't Justin Marshall pull a hamstring in that game when he had a clear run to the line?
Carlos kicked like shit.
We didn't manage to score when they were down to 13 men.
We had a stronger team at the RWC than in that game. I think we had a reasonable shot at toppling England if we'd made the final.
Unfortunately....
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As World XV will be playing Japan XV, I'll post this here:
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@booboo Didn't Justin Marshall pull a hamstring in that game when he had a clear run to the line?
Carlos kicked like shit.
We didn't manage to score when they were down to 13 men.
We had a stronger team at the RWC than in that game. I think we had a reasonable shot at toppling England if we'd made the final.
Unfortunately....
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@stargazer Top 12 teams? What will the Wallabies be doing?
It sounds like someone explained how the RWC works to Pichot. Stupid idea.
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dumb idea. but we can get rid of the World Cup and it's cycle that allows coaches of shit teams to have ready made excuses.
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Not a fan on first reaction.
I'd prefer more development matches v the likes of Georgia, Romania, the PIs, Japan, US, Canada, Uruguay. Only 3 of them currently in top 12.
We've already got a RWC. Why have one every year?
Also restricts ability for teams to okay revenue matches.
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Stephen Welshenglish Jones is unhappy too
Machpants said:
Stephen Welshenglish Jones is unhappy too
Two fat obnoxious English rugby trolls are upset, I am doubly pleased now .
Has anyone asked Woodward for his thoughts yet ?
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I think I heard it was the Samoan coach saying they would need to relax eligibility criteria for the new proposal to work.
Maybe this is just Pichot looking at undermining the AB dominance but undermining the RWC?
What would be better would be if the IRB funded this comp for those outside the top 6/8 so they get regular international matches while the big nations are on EOYT.
But it still hits the snag of the club vs country argument many of the lesser nations encounter anyway.
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I wouldn't be in favour of an annual world league.
I would possibly be in favour of a world league that spanned over several years.
Back in the 80s/90s the Rugby League world cup used to do a qualifying process over 4 years where the last test of each 3 match series doubled as a world cup qualifier. (The RLWC in those days was just then a one-off world cup final).
For modern rugby union. If they could make something work where the results over an x year period resulted in an actual trophy, I'd be interested in looking at it. I think it would need to be over a 3 year period, as world cup year is a write-off for internationals, plus you wouldn't want to detract from the RWC that year.
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I'm trying to think of a way that they could create a credible multi-year test league, that has integrity (even-ness of competition and geographical symmetry).
This is my back of the envelope effort.
A 3 year league.
- Expand TRC to include 3 PI Nations & teams playing each other once per year(6 games each).
- Expand 6 Nations to include 1 more team (Georgia) playing each other once year (6 games each),
- June and November tour windows remain, but each participant plays the other 7 hemispheric participants home an away over 3 years That is 14 of the possible 18 slots over 3 years of June/Nov windows.
So 14 teams play a competition over 3 years. 32 games each (10.7 of their 12 tests per year over the 3 years are part of the world league).
The 32 games consistent of 3 each v same hemisphere participants, and 2 each v inter-hemisphere.
I can't work out a way to include Japan, USA and Canada that is geopgraphically acceptable to me. You could add a North Pacific Conference but it would make the league uneven. Or re-work it some way.
The other disadvantage of my proposal is it locks out the other T2 and T3 countries (Romania, Spain, Uruguay, Zimababwe, Namibia etc) to scrapping for those 1.3 tests per year the 'big 14' play that aren't world league, plus world cup warm up friendlies in RWC year.
Financial hurdles:
a) a 7th team in the expanded 6 Nations is an extra week compared to their current schedule. Good luck getting that past the clubs without some serious compromise (e.g. money)b) The TRC expanded to include the PIs.
- Player release for the PI nations in August and September.
- No longer home and away matches for the big 4 of the SH. (But we are currently talking temporary scaffolding at Nelson and half empty Gold Coast anyway).
- The PIs would need IRB subsidies for hosting & travel.
- splitting the TRC TV rights among 3 extra participants with small domestic markets.
c) Doesn't expand into the Japanese, American and Canadian markets.
Extra note. I haven't taken into account the British Lions tour every 4 years.
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That must have taken time
The biggest hurdle is Club v Country which would undermine selection and distort results.
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The big question is, do we need more rugby? And yeah I understand that we are not necessarily talking about any more games, just more structured International comps. But. Do we need that?
I hear many on here bemoaning the long drawn out death of NPC/Mitre 10. NTA choking on his cornflakes most mornings due to the ARU looking at more ways of increasing the $$$ at the expense of grass roots. More of the (increasingly) same international rugby will, IMO take us further down those paths.
