Chiefs 2019
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@Bones Im just suspicious of his motives and that his appointment was kept under wraps, when the Chiefs board would have been fully aware of what was going on for a while. Why were others not considerd? It smacks a little of a done deal.
@Jailbreak7 said in Chiefs 2019:
@Bones Im just suspicious of his motives and that his appointment was kept under wraps, when the Chiefs board would have been fully aware of what was going on for a while. Why were others not considerd? It smacks a little of a done deal.
Who else should have been considered?
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@Jailbreak7 said in Chiefs 2019:
@Bones Im just suspicious of his motives and that his appointment was kept under wraps, when the Chiefs board would have been fully aware of what was going on for a while. Why were others not considerd? It smacks a little of a done deal.
Who else should have been considered?
@Bones No shortage of contenders....what about Pat Lam - he;s also been doing well over here, Vern Cotter, Rob Penney, or even Ronan O'Gara (yes I know he;s picked up a gig in France) but I think it would have been interesting to have had him in the mix. What about persuading Wayne Smith out of retirement - or probably a bit too early for these 2 - but I wouldn;t mind seeing a pairing of Carlos Spencer and Roger Randle.
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@Bones No shortage of contenders....what about Pat Lam - he;s also been doing well over here, Vern Cotter, Rob Penney, or even Ronan O'Gara (yes I know he;s picked up a gig in France) but I think it would have been interesting to have had him in the mix. What about persuading Wayne Smith out of retirement - or probably a bit too early for these 2 - but I wouldn;t mind seeing a pairing of Carlos Spencer and Roger Randle.
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I don't like the idea of recycling coaches so would have no interest in Lam. I'm also happy that the Chiefs have picked within the region, and Cotter was the only other coach in that category. He seems settled at Montpellier.
@Jailbreak7 I wouldn't be surprised if Randle is still involved under Gatland.
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@Jailbreak7 well considered answer! I can't see any of those blokes being contenders ahead of Gatland though.
@Bones No you're right I'll grant you that, Gatland has more experience than any.
I have always wondered how cool dude Razor would have gone at the Chiefs,....wishful thinking though. -
I like the way the Saders and their fish heads always think outside the box. They always seem the most progressive to me., and it spills over into their players coaches, back room staff etc. No-one else would have entertained the idea of O'Gara I;ll wager, but he has been very good for the team. shame to see him go.
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I like the way the Saders and their fish heads always think outside the box. They always seem the most progressive to me., and it spills over into their players coaches, back room staff etc. No-one else would have entertained the idea of O'Gara I;ll wager, but he has been very good for the team. shame to see him go.
@Jailbreak7
No disrespect to O'Gara who seems to have made a positive contribution but he joined a winning team and is now off to France and possibly elsewhere with NZ rugby IP. Whereas Gats is a hometown hero who will bring his vast experience back into NZ rugby. -
Hard to really gauge the contribution of O'Gara. He certainly hasn't wet the bed and has at least maintained standards. But he was really serving an apprenticeship.
I have read though that he did bring a few NH defensive systems south with him though.
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I like the way the Saders and their fish heads always think outside the box. They always seem the most progressive to me., and it spills over into their players coaches, back room staff etc. No-one else would have entertained the idea of O'Gara I;ll wager, but he has been very good for the team. shame to see him go.
@Jailbreak7 said in Chiefs 2019:
I like the way the Saders and their fish heads always think outside the box. They always seem the most progressive to me., and it spills over into their players coaches, back room staff etc. No-one else would have entertained the idea of O'Gara I;ll wager, but he has been very good for the team. shame to see him go.
Well that's plainly not always true, there was nothing progressive about the Blackadder era and the proliferation of ex player coaches have been ultra bog standard aside from Robertson (who actually worked his way up from grassroots).
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@Jailbreak7 said in Chiefs 2019:
I like the way the Saders and their fish heads always think outside the box. They always seem the most progressive to me., and it spills over into their players coaches, back room staff etc. No-one else would have entertained the idea of O'Gara I;ll wager, but he has been very good for the team. shame to see him go.
Well that's plainly not always true, there was nothing progressive about the Blackadder era and the proliferation of ex player coaches have been ultra bog standard aside from Robertson (who actually worked his way up from grassroots).
@Nepia Haha had forgotten about the Blackadder era. However they are still the flagship and benchmark for SR titles, and still the ones to beat.
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I like the way the Saders and their fish heads always think outside the box. They always seem the most progressive to me., and it spills over into their players coaches, back room staff etc. No-one else would have entertained the idea of O'Gara I;ll wager, but he has been very good for the team. shame to see him go.
@Jailbreak7 said in Chiefs 2019:
the Saders and their fish heads always think outside the box. They always seem the most progressive to me.,
Remember reading years ago that they had sent a delegation to learn from the Dallas Cowboys how to run a professional sports team. If true that was very progressive. Having a really shit start to pro rugby may have actually helped the way they have run the show ever since (Blackadder years - and loyalty issues there - aside).
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@Crucial said in Chiefs 2019:
@mariner4life said in Chiefs 2019:
@Crucial said in Chiefs 2019:
Really surprised there isn’t much more comment on Gatlands return.
For one it is obvious that Coops was shunted aside to make the deal happen.
Secondly I have a concern that Gats has been away from the NZ game for too long. Sure he will add some new stuff in but part of the overall AB strength is a consistency through grades and levels. I don’t really see him adding any innovative stuff to our game.
The messy year in/year out/back again situation. Would hope he has some strong assistants lined up to make this work. Even then it is disruptive.
Is this the end of the Chiefs setup as created by Rennie and continued by Cooper? I don’t really see Garland in the same vein.what? no, actually, what?
The strength of NZ rugby is the continued production line of shit coaches that we have at Super level? Of which Cooper is one given the Chiefs play for the vast majority of the year. We get a guy back with a plethora of experience in different environments, and success to back that up, and it's a bad thing? Really?
I’m just raising some of the things that came to mind.
Name me a coach that has entered nz rugby after that long overseas and done well? It’s a fair question
Coming for a year, fucking off, coming back again. You’re happy with that?I’m not unhappy about his appointment just surprised that the general tone seems to be ”cool, whatever”
Because cooper was shit. And the other alternatives are not much better.
Henry and Hanson instantly spring to mind. Who are the coaches you think we should be looking to for comparison?
@mariner4life said in Chiefs 2019:
@Crucial said in Chiefs 2019:
@mariner4life said in Chiefs 2019:
@Crucial said in Chiefs 2019:
Really surprised there isn’t much more comment on Gatlands return.
For one it is obvious that Coops was shunted aside to make the deal happen.
Secondly I have a concern that Gats has been away from the NZ game for too long. Sure he will add some new stuff in but part of the overall AB strength is a consistency through grades and levels. I don’t really see him adding any innovative stuff to our game.
The messy year in/year out/back again situation. Would hope he has some strong assistants lined up to make this work. Even then it is disruptive.
Is this the end of the Chiefs setup as created by Rennie and continued by Cooper? I don’t really see Garland in the same vein.what? no, actually, what?
The strength of NZ rugby is the continued production line of shit coaches that we have at Super level? Of which Cooper is one given the Chiefs play for the vast majority of the year. We get a guy back with a plethora of experience in different environments, and success to back that up, and it's a bad thing? Really?
I’m just raising some of the things that came to mind.
Name me a coach that has entered nz rugby after that long overseas and done well? It’s a fair question
Coming for a year, fucking off, coming back again. You’re happy with that?I’m not unhappy about his appointment just surprised that the general tone seems to be ”cool, whatever”
Because cooper was shit. And the other alternatives are not much better.
Henry and Hanson instantly spring to mind. Who are the coaches you think we should be looking to for comparison?
Kirwan
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@mariner4life said in Chiefs 2019:
@Crucial said in Chiefs 2019:
@mariner4life said in Chiefs 2019:
@Crucial said in Chiefs 2019:
Really surprised there isn’t much more comment on Gatlands return.
For one it is obvious that Coops was shunted aside to make the deal happen.
Secondly I have a concern that Gats has been away from the NZ game for too long. Sure he will add some new stuff in but part of the overall AB strength is a consistency through grades and levels. I don’t really see him adding any innovative stuff to our game.
The messy year in/year out/back again situation. Would hope he has some strong assistants lined up to make this work. Even then it is disruptive.
Is this the end of the Chiefs setup as created by Rennie and continued by Cooper? I don’t really see Garland in the same vein.what? no, actually, what?
The strength of NZ rugby is the continued production line of shit coaches that we have at Super level? Of which Cooper is one given the Chiefs play for the vast majority of the year. We get a guy back with a plethora of experience in different environments, and success to back that up, and it's a bad thing? Really?
I’m just raising some of the things that came to mind.
Name me a coach that has entered nz rugby after that long overseas and done well? It’s a fair question
Coming for a year, fucking off, coming back again. You’re happy with that?I’m not unhappy about his appointment just surprised that the general tone seems to be ”cool, whatever”
Because cooper was shit. And the other alternatives are not much better.
Henry and Hanson instantly spring to mind. Who are the coaches you think we should be looking to for comparison?
Kirwan
@booboo said in Chiefs 2019:
@mariner4life said in Chiefs 2019:
@Crucial said in Chiefs 2019:
@mariner4life said in Chiefs 2019:
@Crucial said in Chiefs 2019:
Really surprised there isn’t much more comment on Gatlands return.
For one it is obvious that Coops was shunted aside to make the deal happen.
Secondly I have a concern that Gats has been away from the NZ game for too long. Sure he will add some new stuff in but part of the overall AB strength is a consistency through grades and levels. I don’t really see him adding any innovative stuff to our game.
The messy year in/year out/back again situation. Would hope he has some strong assistants lined up to make this work. Even then it is disruptive.
Is this the end of the Chiefs setup as created by Rennie and continued by Cooper? I don’t really see Garland in the same vein.what? no, actually, what?
The strength of NZ rugby is the continued production line of shit coaches that we have at Super level? Of which Cooper is one given the Chiefs play for the vast majority of the year. We get a guy back with a plethora of experience in different environments, and success to back that up, and it's a bad thing? Really?
I’m just raising some of the things that came to mind.
Name me a coach that has entered nz rugby after that long overseas and done well? It’s a fair question
Coming for a year, fucking off, coming back again. You’re happy with that?I’m not unhappy about his appointment just surprised that the general tone seems to be ”cool, whatever”
Because cooper was shit. And the other alternatives are not much better.
Henry and Hanson instantly spring to mind. Who are the coaches you think we should be looking to for comparison?
Kirwan
I was thinking Tana...
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@Jailbreak7 said in Chiefs 2019:
the Saders and their fish heads always think outside the box. They always seem the most progressive to me.,
Remember reading years ago that they had sent a delegation to learn from the Dallas Cowboys how to run a professional sports team. If true that was very progressive. Having a really shit start to pro rugby may have actually helped the way they have run the show ever since (Blackadder years - and loyalty issues there - aside).
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@Snowy Ironically the Dallas Cowboys have been mediocre at best since rugby went pro in 96.
@KiwiMurph Yeah, gave their mojo to the 'Saders maybe.
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From what I have read and heard Gatland is the ultimate player manager, much in the same mould as Hansen. I think the good coaches realise upstairs is where the gains are. The good coaches figure out how to get the players to believe and deliver their potential. At the end of the day its 22 v 22, there often isn't a great deal of difference in skill but the team which gels and believes in the coach etc often do better.
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@booboo said in Chiefs 2019:
@mariner4life said in Chiefs 2019:
@Crucial said in Chiefs 2019:
@mariner4life said in Chiefs 2019:
@Crucial said in Chiefs 2019:
Really surprised there isn’t much more comment on Gatlands return.
For one it is obvious that Coops was shunted aside to make the deal happen.
Secondly I have a concern that Gats has been away from the NZ game for too long. Sure he will add some new stuff in but part of the overall AB strength is a consistency through grades and levels. I don’t really see him adding any innovative stuff to our game.
The messy year in/year out/back again situation. Would hope he has some strong assistants lined up to make this work. Even then it is disruptive.
Is this the end of the Chiefs setup as created by Rennie and continued by Cooper? I don’t really see Garland in the same vein.what? no, actually, what?
The strength of NZ rugby is the continued production line of shit coaches that we have at Super level? Of which Cooper is one given the Chiefs play for the vast majority of the year. We get a guy back with a plethora of experience in different environments, and success to back that up, and it's a bad thing? Really?
I’m just raising some of the things that came to mind.
Name me a coach that has entered nz rugby after that long overseas and done well? It’s a fair question
Coming for a year, fucking off, coming back again. You’re happy with that?I’m not unhappy about his appointment just surprised that the general tone seems to be ”cool, whatever”
Because cooper was shit. And the other alternatives are not much better.
Henry and Hanson instantly spring to mind. Who are the coaches you think we should be looking to for comparison?
Kirwan
I was thinking Tana...
@mariner4life said in Chiefs 2019:
@booboo said in Chiefs 2019:
@mariner4life said in Chiefs 2019:
@Crucial said in Chiefs 2019:
@mariner4life said in Chiefs 2019:
@Crucial said in Chiefs 2019:
Really surprised there isn’t much more comment on Gatlands return.
For one it is obvious that Coops was shunted aside to make the deal happen.
Secondly I have a concern that Gats has been away from the NZ game for too long. Sure he will add some new stuff in but part of the overall AB strength is a consistency through grades and levels. I don’t really see him adding any innovative stuff to our game.
The messy year in/year out/back again situation. Would hope he has some strong assistants lined up to make this work. Even then it is disruptive.
Is this the end of the Chiefs setup as created by Rennie and continued by Cooper? I don’t really see Garland in the same vein.what? no, actually, what?
The strength of NZ rugby is the continued production line of shit coaches that we have at Super level? Of which Cooper is one given the Chiefs play for the vast majority of the year. We get a guy back with a plethora of experience in different environments, and success to back that up, and it's a bad thing? Really?
I’m just raising some of the things that came to mind.
Name me a coach that has entered nz rugby after that long overseas and done well? It’s a fair question
Coming for a year, fucking off, coming back again. You’re happy with that?I’m not unhappy about his appointment just surprised that the general tone seems to be ”cool, whatever”
Because cooper was shit. And the other alternatives are not much better.
Henry and Hanson instantly spring to mind. Who are the coaches you think we should be looking to for comparison?
Kirwan
I was thinking Tana...
You are both bar stewards. I wish that you had Hammett and Philpott.
Gatland will probably be good.
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@Snowy Ironically the Dallas Cowboys have been mediocre at best since rugby went pro in 96.
@KiwiMurph said in Chiefs 2019:
@Snowy Ironically the Dallas Cowboys have been mediocre at best since rugby went pro in 96.
For reasons of bad management and an egotistical interfering owner. Great model.
And everyone goes to the states at some point to get a look at their systems. That stopped being innovative 20 years ago.
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This article summarises the current situation.
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@KiwiMurph said in Chiefs 2019:
@Snowy Ironically the Dallas Cowboys have been mediocre at best since rugby went pro in 96.
For reasons of bad management and an egotistical interfering owner. Great model.
And everyone goes to the states at some point to get a look at their systems. That stopped being innovative 20 years ago.
@mariner4life said in Chiefs 2019:
That stopped being innovative 20 years ago.
About when they did it, before the egotistical interfering owner.
Edit - a few years after Jones but before they became really shit.
