All Blacks v Argentina - Nelson
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@pakman said in All Blacks v Argentina - Nelson:
My take (excluding Crotty, notwithstanding AB suggestions he's fully recovered):
15 Jordie Barrett
14 milner skuddar
13 Jack goodhue
12 Anton Lienert-Brown
11 waisake Naholo
10 richie mo'unga
9 aaron Smith
8 Kieran Reid
7 ardie savea
6 Liam Squire
5 Brodie retallick
4 scott Barrett
3 owen Franks
2 Codie Taylor
1 Karl tuuinukuafeReplacements-
Tim Perry
Ofa Tu’ungafasi
nathan Harris
Sam cane
Jason Hemopo
Te taraua tahuriorangi
Damian McKenzie
ngani laumapeToo many changes I think. I get the opportunity to give some guys a break before the rest of the year but if BB is going to rest we need BFA at 15 to keep an experienced read on things.
Also think that if/when RM is going to start, they will pair him with Crotty.@crucial I don't particularly disagree.
If Mo'unga starts I suspect Crotty will be there to support him, which opens door to TJP start. But I was working from wanting to give Crotty rest, in which case ALB needs to be at twelve (at least for first half) and Nugget at 9.
As I was typing it did strike me that back three quite raw. I think they want NMS to get a start, so including BFA, which I agree is logical/likely, means resting Barrett (J) or Naholo. On balance I'd give Jordie another run, given he is on a learning curve.
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I can’t see them starting a test match with Richie at 10 and Jordie at 15. Not this early in their careers. Given the importance of our 10 and 15 in counter attack, playmaking etc, they need at least one of our experienced heads to be there.
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I can’t see them starting a test match with Richie at 10 and Jordie at 15. Not this early in their careers. Given the importance of our 10 and 15 in counter attack, playmaking etc, they need at least one of our experienced heads to be there.
@act-crusader said in All Blacks v Argentina - Nelson:
I can’t see them starting a test match with Richie at 10 and Jordie at 15. Not this early in their careers. Given the importance of our 10 and 15 in counter attack, playmaking etc, they need at least one of our experienced heads to be there.
Exactly.
The spine runs from 2 to 8, 9, 10 and 15. A rookie 10 should be supported with experience at 12 and 15.
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks v Argentina - Nelson:
Nelson is a test match venue. jesus christ. what a disgrace
It's only a bunch of dagos. Fuck them. They should be thankful it's not Levin or Gore
@mn5 said in All Blacks v Argentina - Nelson:
They should be thankful it's not Levin or Gore
My ancestors came from Gore. Explains a lot actually, come to think of it.....
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@act-crusader said in All Blacks v Argentina - Nelson:
I can’t see them starting a test match with Richie at 10 and Jordie at 15. Not this early in their careers. Given the importance of our 10 and 15 in counter attack, playmaking etc, they need at least one of our experienced heads to be there.
Exactly.
The spine runs from 2 to 8, 9, 10 and 15. A rookie 10 should be supported with experience at 12 and 15.
@crucial said in All Blacks v Argentina - Nelson:
@act-crusader said in All Blacks v Argentina - Nelson:
I can’t see them starting a test match with Richie at 10 and Jordie at 15. Not this early in their careers. Given the importance of our 10 and 15 in counter attack, playmaking etc, they need at least one of our experienced heads to be there.
Exactly.
The spine runs from 2 to 8, 9, 10 and 15. A rookie 10 should be supported with experience at 12 and 15.
That's another bogan ball term that's crept into rugby
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@crucial said in All Blacks v Argentina - Nelson:
@act-crusader said in All Blacks v Argentina - Nelson:
I can’t see them starting a test match with Richie at 10 and Jordie at 15. Not this early in their careers. Given the importance of our 10 and 15 in counter attack, playmaking etc, they need at least one of our experienced heads to be there.
Exactly.
The spine runs from 2 to 8, 9, 10 and 15. A rookie 10 should be supported with experience at 12 and 15.
That's another bogan ball term that's crept into rugby
@wreck-diver In the day people used to joke that there was a shiver running up and down Bill Rowlings's back looking for a spine.
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@act-crusader said in All Blacks v Argentina - Nelson:
I can’t see them starting a test match with Richie at 10 and Jordie at 15. Not this early in their careers. Given the importance of our 10 and 15 in counter attack, playmaking etc, they need at least one of our experienced heads to be there.
Exactly.
The spine runs from 2 to 8, 9, 10 and 15. A rookie 10 should be supported with experience at 12 and 15.
@crucial said in All Blacks v Argentina - Nelson:
@act-crusader said in All Blacks v Argentina - Nelson:
I can’t see them starting a test match with Richie at 10 and Jordie at 15. Not this early in their careers. Given the importance of our 10 and 15 in counter attack, playmaking etc, they need at least one of our experienced heads to be there.
Exactly.
The spine runs from 2 to 8, 9, 10 and 15. A rookie 10 should be supported with experience at 12 and 15.
Again, broadly agree. That said, BFA at 14 would allow quite a lot of input. If more required Waiseke gets a day off.
P.S. I'd be surprised in Crotty doesn't get a start in the land of his father.
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@crucial said in All Blacks v Argentina - Nelson:
@act-crusader said in All Blacks v Argentina - Nelson:
I can’t see them starting a test match with Richie at 10 and Jordie at 15. Not this early in their careers. Given the importance of our 10 and 15 in counter attack, playmaking etc, they need at least one of our experienced heads to be there.
Exactly.
The spine runs from 2 to 8, 9, 10 and 15. A rookie 10 should be supported with experience at 12 and 15.
Again, broadly agree. That said, BFA at 14 would allow quite a lot of input. If more required Waiseke gets a day off.
P.S. I'd be surprised in Crotty doesn't get a start in the land of his father.
@pakman said in All Blacks v Argentina - Nelson:
@crucial said in All Blacks v Argentina - Nelson:
@act-crusader said in All Blacks v Argentina - Nelson:
I can’t see them starting a test match with Richie at 10 and Jordie at 15. Not this early in their careers. Given the importance of our 10 and 15 in counter attack, playmaking etc, they need at least one of our experienced heads to be there.
Exactly.
The spine runs from 2 to 8, 9, 10 and 15. A rookie 10 should be supported with experience at 12 and 15.
Again, broadly agree. That said, BFA at 14 would allow quite a lot of input. If more required Waiseke gets a day off.
P.S. I'd be surprised in Crotty doesn't get a start in the land of his father.
I wouldn’t be changing Naholo. He’s in the same camp as Squire for me and starts every test match in this RC. Since first making the ABs he’s been more broken than available, so as long as he’s fit he needs game time. Plus we need his pace against the quick Argie backs.
On Crotty, Hansen doesn’t really do sentimentality.
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Cane and Crotty both down on game time, and a steady 12 outside Mo'unga?
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Ian Foster explains why Mo'unga wasn't released for Mitre 10 Cup (video in article):
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@wreck-diver In the day people used to joke that there was a shiver running up and down Bill Rowlings's back looking for a spine.
@pakman said in All Blacks v Argentina - Nelson:
@wreck-diver In the day people used to joke that there was a shiver running up and down Bill Rowlings's back looking for a spine.
Thats probably because he was a Labour muppet
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Ian Foster explains why Mo'unga wasn't released for Mitre 10 Cup (video in article):
@stargazer said in All Blacks v Argentina - Nelson:
Ian Foster explains why Mo'unga wasn't released for Mitre 10 Cup (video in article):
The more and more I hear Foster talk I think we are in good hands going forward after Shag.
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@stargazer said in All Blacks v Argentina - Nelson:
Ian Foster explains why Mo'unga wasn't released for Mitre 10 Cup (video in article):
The more and more I hear Foster talk I think we are in good hands going forward after Shag.
@wreck-diver interesting how he says "and I felt...we felt as a coaching group..."
Tbh I think if he has the right people around him I can't see any issues, maybe Razor to come in under him as the heir apparent?
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@wreck-diver interesting how he says "and I felt...we felt as a coaching group..."
Tbh I think if he has the right people around him I can't see any issues, maybe Razor to come in under him as the heir apparent?
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Argentina - Nelson:
@wreck-diver interesting how he says "and I felt...we felt as a coaching group..."
Tbh I think if he has the right people around him I can't see any issues, maybe Razor to come in under him as the heir apparent?
Thats like suggesting Deans should have been AB coach 2008 :grinning_face_with_smiling_eyes:
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Argentina - Nelson:
@wreck-diver interesting how he says "and I felt...we felt as a coaching group..."
Tbh I think if he has the right people around him I can't see any issues, maybe Razor to come in under him as the heir apparent?
Thats like suggesting Deans should have been AB coach 2008 :grinning_face_with_smiling_eyes:
@wreck-diver don't think he wanted to be an assistant.
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@pakman said in All Blacks v Argentina - Nelson:
@wreck-diver In the day people used to joke that there was a shiver running up and down Bill Rowlings's back looking for a spine.
Thats probably because he was a Labour muppet
@wreck-diver Yeah coz the country was sooo much better off under Piggy LOL
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@stargazer said in All Blacks v Argentina - Nelson:
Ian Foster explains why Mo'unga wasn't released for Mitre 10 Cup (video in article):
The more and more I hear Foster talk I think we are in good hands going forward after Shag.
@wreck-diver said in All Blacks v Argentina - Nelson:
@stargazer said in All Blacks v Argentina - Nelson:
Ian Foster explains why Mo'unga wasn't released for Mitre 10 Cup (video in article):
The more and more I hear Foster talk I think we are in good hands going forward after Shag.
Ahhhhhhhhh!
Foster talked up a storm for the Chiefs too. He's a likeable man, who knows a lot about rugby.
What he couldn't do was sustain good performances in his teams. Something was wrong with the way he mentally prepared them. The Chiefs were fragile, even when winning.
Also he couldn't sack his favourites. Promising players who were promoted but didn't deliver (de Malmanche, say) were never dropped.
He's not a terrible coach, but we have better options.
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@wreck-diver said in All Blacks v Argentina - Nelson:
@stargazer said in All Blacks v Argentina - Nelson:
Ian Foster explains why Mo'unga wasn't released for Mitre 10 Cup (video in article):
The more and more I hear Foster talk I think we are in good hands going forward after Shag.
Ahhhhhhhhh!
Foster talked up a storm for the Chiefs too. He's a likeable man, who knows a lot about rugby.
What he couldn't do was sustain good performances in his teams. Something was wrong with the way he mentally prepared them. The Chiefs were fragile, even when winning.
Also he couldn't sack his favourites. Promising players who were promoted but didn't deliver (de Malmanche, say) were never dropped.
He's not a terrible coach, but we have better options.
@chester-draws said in All Blacks v Argentina - Nelson:
@wreck-diver said in All Blacks v Argentina - Nelson:
@stargazer said in All Blacks v Argentina - Nelson:
Ian Foster explains why Mo'unga wasn't released for Mitre 10 Cup (video in article):
The more and more I hear Foster talk I think we are in good hands going forward after Shag.
Ahhhhhhhhh!
Foster talked up a storm for the Chiefs too. He's a likeable man, who knows a lot about rugby.
What he couldn't do was sustain good performances in his teams. Something was wrong with the way he mentally prepared them. The Chiefs were fragile, even when winning.
Also he couldn't sack his favourites. Promising players who were promoted but didn't deliver (de Malmanche, say) were never dropped.
He's not a terrible coach, but we have better options.
Please don't compare those swamp rats from the Waikato to the AB environment thats like comparing a zephar to a procshe
