England vs All Blacks

booboo

@rembrandt said in England vs All Blacks:

we'll take that! Quite a few options for mom
Retallick, Big Karl, Crotty, Goodhue, DMac, S Barrett, thought Beaudy was very solid too

Ardie by a mile

rotated

The trend continues though, in playing for all the marbles in a highly anticipated game between 2004-2015 the ABs always brought an immaculate performance. This cycle; they've either wilted or farted out something like this.

The defense was horrible particularly in the first 20 and last 20. Skill execution was off. Lucky, lucky, lucky.

Thank god the scrum and lineout functioned well otherwise we would have got done like 2012.

That game along with many others this season combined with the selectors inability to move on core players (Smith, Barrett, SBW) does not bode well for winning three finals games on consecutive weekends next October.

No Quarter

Well, that non-try excepted England didn't score any points for the final 60 odd minutes of the game. So we did tighten up in that regard.

We really needed to capitalise on our chances early in the 2nd half. England did well to slow things down, as noted on here it became a very stop-start affair.

I do feel a bit dirty about the non-try, players are 5cm offside at nearly every ruck. The chargedown meant they had to check it but not convinced there was enough evidence to overturn the decision.

DMac was awesome in the first half. Ardie good throughout. Brodie went into beast mode in the 2nd, which proved the difference. What a player.

Outscored 2 tries to 1. Beauden nailed a droppie. I think the word surreal gets over used but is probably apt here.

JC

@booboo said in England vs All Blacks:

@rembrandt said in England vs All Blacks:

we'll take that! Quite a few options for mom
Retallick, Big Karl, Crotty, Goodhue, DMac, S Barrett, thought Beaudy was very solid too

Ardie by a mile

We’re not talking about height

Disgusted of TW

@booboo said in England vs All Blacks:

@rembrandt said in England vs All Blacks:

we'll take that! Quite a few options for mom
Retallick, Big Karl, Crotty, Goodhue, DMac, S Barrett, thought Beaudy was very solid too

Ardie by a mile

A mile... in height?

Steven Harris

@sparky glad they looked at it..swings and roundabouts,remember England getting a contentious call against the Boks seven days ago.

KiwiMurph

England lucky last week and unlucky this week. Funny how sport works.

England were very impressive.

For us Brodie is a freakshow. Unreal player. Coles very impressive off the pine - Scott Barrett too.

Ofa held up well at loosehead in the scrums.

MN5

Jesus Christ. After watching that I almost feel sorry for England.

What the fuck is wrong with me?

rotated

@machpants said in England vs All Blacks:

Yeah first ab at weather game for a while, and we got our first drop goal since...?

Carter 2015, same ground.

ShadowTrooper

@rotated said in England vs All Blacks:

@machpants said in England vs All Blacks:

Yeah first ab at weather game for a while, and we got our first drop goal since...?

Carter 2015, same ground.

Bloody good memory eh

akan004

Didn't want the win to be decided on a call like that. TJ seemed to take an age to kick the ball. We will be accused of being favoured but England/ Itoje were really cynical on defence and were lucky not to get a yellow which balances out the disallowed try.

Derm McCrum

@akan004 said in England vs All Blacks:

Didn't want the win to be decided on a call like that. TJ seemed to take an age to kick the ball. We will be accused of being favoured but England/ Itoje were really cynical on defence and were lucky not to get a yellow which balances out the disallowed try.

Cynical runs both ways. Look back at the amount of times that Itoje was tackled beyond the ruck.

Stargazer

Awesome impact from Crotty and Scott Barrett; both MOTM performances. Also good first half from Dmac (not so good in the second); Retallick and Whitelock good all game. BB a bit of a mixed bag. Both wings invisible. Squire & Savea good, but didn't shine.

ShadowTrooper

@derm-mccrum said in England vs All Blacks:

@akan004 said in England vs All Blacks:

Didn't want the win to be decided on a call like that. TJ seemed to take an age to kick the ball. We will be accused of being favoured but England/ Itoje were really cynical on defence and were lucky not to get a yellow which balances out the disallowed try.

Cynical runs both ways. Look back at the amount of times that Itoje was tackled beyond the ruck.

Or the amount of times Itoje reached ocer to interfere with the player in the ruck / slow the ball down. Swings and roundabouts eh one mans mature cheese is another mans mould

ACT Crusader

@akan004 said in England vs All Blacks:

Didn't want the win to be decided on a call like that. TJ seemed to take an age to kick the ball. We will be accused of being favoured but England/ Itoje were really cynical on defence and were lucky not to get a yellow which balances out the disallowed try.

Just like we didn’t want that Lions test to be decided by a call like...

All that matters is 16-15 and if people want make accusations about calls or favouritism, let them.

I’ll just add them to the soundtrack along with the boos.

Derm McCrum

@shadowtrooper said in England vs All Blacks:

@derm-mccrum said in England vs All Blacks:

@akan004 said in England vs All Blacks:

Didn't want the win to be decided on a call like that. TJ seemed to take an age to kick the ball. We will be accused of being favoured but England/ Itoje were really cynical on defence and were lucky not to get a yellow which balances out the disallowed try.

Cynical runs both ways. Look back at the amount of times that Itoje was tackled beyond the ruck.

Or the amount of times Itoje reached ocer to interfere with the player on the ruck / slow the ball down

Yep that too. Cynical runs both ways.

It doesn’t balance out a disallowed try (which was disallowed within the laws).

Samurai Jack

Sorry but you can’t start your run from the middle of the ruck. You have to start from the last man's feet, right? No try.

akan004

Was there a reason why every time we set up a good rolling maul, Ardie would decide to detach from it with the ball?

JC

@derm-mccrum said in England vs All Blacks:

@akan004 said in England vs All Blacks:

Didn't want the win to be decided on a call like that. TJ seemed to take an age to kick the ball. We will be accused of being favoured but England/ Itoje were really cynical on defence and were lucky not to get a yellow which balances out the disallowed try.

Cynical runs both ways. Look back at the amount of times that Itoje was tackled beyond the ruck.

Well if he’s going to put his hands in at every ruck he attends he’s going to get cleaned out

rotated

@akan004 said in England vs All Blacks:

Didn't want the win to be decided on a call like that. TJ seemed to take an age to kick the ball. We will be accused of being favoured but England/ Itoje were really cynical on defence and were lucky not to get a yellow which balances out the disallowed try.

To be fair if the roles were reversed I'm pretty sure AB fans would be focusing on the inability to kick a drop goal with all the running in the final 10 minutes - especially when they lost the ball out wide when Farrell went back in the pocket.

Certainly had an effect, but there is a huge difference between a controversial call in the 70th minute and 82nd.

The Silver Fern

England vs All Blacks