England vs All Blacks
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@jc said in England vs All Blacks:
@derm-mccrum said in England vs All Blacks:
@jc said in England vs All Blacks:
@derm-mccrum said in England vs All Blacks:
@akan004 said in England vs All Blacks:
Didn't want the win to be decided on a call like that. TJ seemed to take an age to kick the ball. We will be accused of being favoured but England/ Itoje were really cynical on defence and were lucky not to get a yellow which balances out the disallowed try.
Cynical runs both ways. Look back at the amount of times that Itoje was tackled beyond the ruck.
Well if he’s going to put his hands in at every ruck he attends he’s going to get cleaned out
If you’re attempting to justify cynical play for either side, you’ll be here all day.
Oh bollocks. I saw plenty of crap play from the ABs, but cynical? Nah. It’s just a clean out. They’re always on the limit but every team does it.
Yep - cynical. And you’re justifying.
@derm-mccrum said in England vs All Blacks:
@jc said in England vs All Blacks:
@derm-mccrum said in England vs All Blacks:
@jc said in England vs All Blacks:
@derm-mccrum said in England vs All Blacks:
@akan004 said in England vs All Blacks:
Didn't want the win to be decided on a call like that. TJ seemed to take an age to kick the ball. We will be accused of being favoured but England/ Itoje were really cynical on defence and were lucky not to get a yellow which balances out the disallowed try.
Cynical runs both ways. Look back at the amount of times that Itoje was tackled beyond the ruck.
Well if he’s going to put his hands in at every ruck he attends he’s going to get cleaned out
If you’re attempting to justify cynical play for either side, you’ll be here all day.
Oh bollocks. I saw plenty of crap play from the ABs, but cynical? Nah. It’s just a clean out. They’re always on the limit but every team does it.
Yep - cynical. And you’re justifying.
Yeah, whatever.
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@mn5 said in England vs All Blacks:
Christian Cullen looks like he's still pissed.
It was pretty disgusting when he got dropped so fair enough
@machpants said in England vs All Blacks:
@mn5 said in England vs All Blacks:
Christian Cullen looks like he's still pissed.
It was pretty disgusting when he got dropped so fair enough
16 years and I'm still pissed off
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Our lineout work was superb. First half we used Squire up the front to disrupt and he got at least one. Then Whitelock was used. Brilliant to move Retallick there in the 2nd 40.
When we made a half break and started supporting our ball carriers we looked really good.
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I'd like a Crotty - Goodhue starting midfield against Ireland, with ALB on the bench.
Would also like TJP-Mo'unga at 9 and 10, with BB at 15 and Dmac at 22 for impact off the bench, but can't see that happening (yet).
@stargazer said in England vs All Blacks:
I'd like a Crotty - Goodhue starting midfield against Ireland, with ALB on the bench.
Would also like TJP-Mo'unga at 9 and 10, with BB at 15 and Dmac at 22 for impact off the bench, but can't see that happening (yet).
What happened to SBW? The sky feed Shat itself so missed it.
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@stargazer said in England vs All Blacks:
I'd like a Crotty - Goodhue starting midfield against Ireland, with ALB on the bench.
Would also like TJP-Mo'unga at 9 and 10, with BB at 15 and Dmac at 22 for impact off the bench, but can't see that happening (yet).
What happened to SBW? The sky feed Shat itself so missed it.
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I'd like a Crotty - Goodhue starting midfield against Ireland, with ALB on the bench.
Would also like TJP-Mo'unga at 9 and 10, with BB at 15 and Dmac at 22 for impact off the bench, but can't see that happening (yet).
@stargazer said in England vs All Blacks:
I'd like a Crotty - Goodhue starting midfield against Ireland, with ALB on the bench.
It's unbelievable how long they've persisted with SBW, I've lost faith in the selectors regarding the midfield, it's annoying, really.
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@stargazer said in England vs All Blacks:
I'd like a Crotty - Goodhue starting midfield against Ireland, with ALB on the bench.
It's unbelievable how long they've persisted with SBW, I've lost faith in the selectors regarding the midfield, it's annoying, really.
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I dislike Itoje as a player! I reckon he is let away with so much at the breakdown, always putting hands in the ruck to slow it down, but I guess good on him, he gets away with it.
One of these ones where you could say ABs played shit and where luck but actually in reflection did pretty good. Hard place to win, pooring rain and down 15 after 20min Eng played as well as they could, but still stayed calm and tightened the screws. One thing you can guarantee this week and next is how hard teams will come out but absolutely shocking start from us.
England for me this was your chance and you blew it, too predictable and ABs adjusted and they didnt. -
@tordah It's as if they've been trying to justify his contract. When he re-signed, there were already doubts about the length of his contract extension and whether he'd make the 2019RWC.
@stargazer said in England vs All Blacks:
@tordah It's as if they've been trying to justify his contract. When he re-signed, there were already doubts about the length of his contract extension and whether he'd make the 2019RWC.
I'm sure the selectors will continue to look at his performance as 'playing his way back into form' as they always do.
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Apart from Australia and a 2nd string French team, it has been a long time since we dominated a tier 1 nation. That has to be a concern.
@akan004 I think it's due to the coaches trying new structures and new player combos. They've been experimenting. The question is, will they continue experimenting right until the RWC, so that our RWC opponents have no idea what we're going to bring, or will they use the shortened Rugby Championship to consolidate the new structures and combos that worked well?
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Quick post game comment on my very frustrating phone
ABs did well to win. Executed kicking very poorly in the first half, played into the hands of the English.
English looked very well drilled. Knew what they were thing to do and did it. Didn't give nz any chances to play to their strengths.
Skill execution in the first half was woeful. Poor technique and dumb rugby exacerbated this, but the passing kicking tackling and catching was very averageRead did well to call a scrum before half time. Brave but paid off
We defended the maul twice in the second half! It's a huge work on
English rush defence disappeared as the game went on, and then we got going.
Just so frustrated with the kicking options taken. Ball in hand we looked good, we just keep giving them the ball
Modern rugby laws are terrible. And hard to referee. Itoje was offside, but how do you call that, and not the no arms tackle last week? We also get tries rubbed out regularly for marginal forward passes, or knock ons a long way back to the field, so I'll take it. Seems to be modern rugby
Great tussle, but this was England's chance. We're going to face a game like this in knockouts next year and need to play this well. With the weather and the Twickenham factor, it's a good win. Played poorly and won,
