England vs All Blacks
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assuming SBW is fit next week, does he start again?
Thought Crotty looked good when he came on, as did Goodhue (although TBF we had more ball then too so makes it easier to look better)
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@chester-draws said in England vs All Blacks:
How many penalties did the ABs give?
A couple on the line when we were desperate, but almost no mid-field soft stuff. That's game winning in the rain.
Thought Garces was excellent.
We made it hard by dropping ball with the line in sight a couple of times, and Beauden consistently hitting it too hard early, so giving them 22s.
As pointed out, the backs entering a maul before the lineout has moved off the line is illegal. That's why the tactic isn't used very much.
Thanks Chester.
Was going to come back to that. I was wondering if the law had changed at all because to me that was bleeding obvious.
My memory of the law is from the 1980s so wondered if it was still right.
Summary of my recollection is that players not in the lineout shall stay 10m off the line of touch until the lineout ends as follows:
- ball is tapped or fed to the halfback (receiver)
- ball or maul travels beyond 15m line or into the 5m
- last foot of maul travels beyond line of touch
If that hasn't changed, why
a. The deliberate disregard for the laws by England? Cynical much?
b. The ignorance by the officials? Incompetence much?@booboo no I don't think so, the lineout is over when "A ruck or maul forms and all of the feet of all of the players in the ruck or maul move beyond the mark of touch." mark of touch being the point at which the back was caught, so once England moved forward a few metres the backs could join.
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assuming SBW is fit next week, does he start again?
Thought Crotty looked good when he came on, as did Goodhue (although TBF we had more ball then too so makes it easier to look better)
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@taniwharugby SBW had not been to ABs standard for a while and playing him back into form in tests is not working. He can get back in form with the blues, maybe as some experience vs Italy, but he should not be playing against Ireland
@machpants said in England vs All Blacks:
@taniwharugby SBW had not been to ABs standard for a while and playing him back into form in tests is not working. He can get back in form with the blues, maybe as some experience vs Italy, but he should not be playing against Ireland
That call has been made for the coaches with his injury. Starting Crotty and bring on ALB certainly strengthens that area
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@booboo no I don't think so, the lineout is over when "A ruck or maul forms and all of the feet of all of the players in the ruck or maul move beyond the mark of touch." mark of touch being the point at which the back was caught, so once England moved forward a few metres the backs could join.
@machpants said in England vs All Blacks:
@booboo no I don't think so, the lineout is over when "A ruck or maul forms and all of the feet of all of the players in the ruck or maul move beyond the mark of touch." mark of touch being the point at which the back was caught, so once England moved forward a few metres the backs could join.
Sorry can you confirm the "mark of touch" being the point on the touchline where the ball was thrown in?
If yes then my point stands. Maul never moved past that point before the backs encroached the 10m and infact bound themselves to the maul.
Unless I am missing something?
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Not quite sure what we are expecting from Dubs.
He was playing when we had no ball, or were kicking it away, or at best were getting it flat footed.
Made at least one break for Ioane with trademark offload. Made some crunching tackles.
I suspect the selectors will analyse things a lot closer than we do based on 25mins when the team was achieving nothing and the most obvious memory for us fans was a poor decision to grubber, which was obviously an instruction from the coaches.
We fans judge him as we require him to be a match winner.
Thought he was solid given the match situation.
But yes, would like to see him rev it up in Super Rugby.
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Sonny Bill Williams expected to be out a week or two with shoulder injury
“We haven’t had time to discuss that, we’ll see how he pulls up tomorrow morning and we’ll have a bit of chat about it later,” he said. Williams’ latest injury must add further doubts about his durability heading into the Rugby World Cup next year and what will be his 16th year as a professional athlete. Should the selectors opt for a replacement, Hurricanes midfielder Ngani Laumape looms as the likely candidate after his starring role in last week’s big win over Japan.https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/sport/rugby/sonny-bill-williams-expected-week-two-shoulder-injury
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@stargazer said in England vs All Blacks:
Should the selectors opt for a replacement, Hurricanes midfielder Ngani Laumape looms as the likely candidate after his starring role in last week’s big win over Japan.
Really? The obvious answer for most would be Crotty to start, either with Goodhue or ALB, IMO Laumape only comes in to the bench if they start Crotty-ALB, if it is Crotty-Goodhue, ALB is the bench man
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Mark of touch being the point the ball was caught. I thought they'd moved forward a bit before the backs joined but I maybe remembering incorrectly.
@machpants said in England vs All Blacks:
Mark of touch being the point the ball was caught. I thought they'd moved forward a bit before the backs joined but I maybe remembering incorrectly.
Thanks again. Essentially the same it appears.
When I watched the replay of the first one I looked specifically to see where the maul was, cause it was suspicious. And then watched specifically at the second. Think they transgressed both times.
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@stargazer said in England vs All Blacks:
Should the selectors opt for a replacement, Hurricanes midfielder Ngani Laumape looms as the likely candidate after his starring role in last week’s big win over Japan.
Really? The obvious answer for most would be Crotty to start, either with Goodhue or ALB, IMO Laumape only comes in to the bench if they start Crotty-ALB, if it is Crotty-Goodhue, ALB is the bench man
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@stargazer said in England vs All Blacks:
Should the selectors opt for a replacement, Hurricanes midfielder Ngani Laumape looms as the likely candidate after his starring role in last week’s big win over Japan.
Really? The obvious answer for most would be Crotty to start, either with Goodhue or ALB, IMO Laumape only comes in to the bench if they start Crotty-ALB, if it is Crotty-Goodhue, ALB is the bench man
@taniwharugby said in England vs All Blacks:
@stargazer said in England vs All Blacks:
Should the selectors opt for a replacement, Hurricanes midfielder Ngani Laumape looms as the likely candidate after his starring role in last week’s big win over Japan.
Really? The obvious answer for most would be Crotty to start, either with Goodhue or ALB, IMO Laumape only comes in to the bench if they start Crotty-ALB, if it is Crotty-Goodhue, ALB is the bench man
Is Laumape in the squad post Japan?
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@taniwharugby I think they mean his replacement in the touring squad, not the playing squad.
@stargazer I thought he was with them anyway? this 51 man squad is dumb!
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@taniwharugby said in England vs All Blacks:
@stargazer said in England vs All Blacks:
Should the selectors opt for a replacement, Hurricanes midfielder Ngani Laumape looms as the likely candidate after his starring role in last week’s big win over Japan.
Really? The obvious answer for most would be Crotty to start, either with Goodhue or ALB, IMO Laumape only comes in to the bench if they start Crotty-ALB, if it is Crotty-Goodhue, ALB is the bench man
Is Laumape in the squad post Japan?
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@stargazer I thought he was with them anyway? this 51 man squad is dumb!
@taniwharugby Not in the main squad; was in the extended squad only.
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@stargazer said in England vs All Blacks:
@booboo Nope.
Thanks Gazer. Think we were making the same point.
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so have to assume Ngani returned to NZ some time this week, be a big ask for him to turn around and get on another plane today/tomorrow?
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so have to assume Ngani returned to NZ some time this week, be a big ask for him to turn around and get on another plane today/tomorrow?
@taniwharugby It would normally only be as injury cover, and maybe playing against Italy.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/lathangie/status/1061333362370076674/photo/1A more perpendicular line, but the hind most foot is a few cm left, you can see it blurry between lawes legs and 17's arm
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so have to assume Ngani returned to NZ some time this week, be a big ask for him to turn around and get on another plane today/tomorrow?
@taniwharugby said in England vs All Blacks:
so have to assume Ngani returned to NZ some time this week, be a big ask for him to turn around and get on another plane today/tomorrow?
He’ll have a week to recover. Maybe they could have Reiko cover next week if one of the three remaining midfielders go down. Ben Smith covers there too.
Then have Ngani cover for Italy?
