Ireland vs All Blacks (2018)
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Said it after the England game and will again in these hugely anticipated fixtures for all the marbles the ABs always went into siege mentality, went up a gear and turned on a big performance...
In the past two years they couldn't against the Lions, they couldn't trying to avenge a home loss to the Boks, couldn't against England and couldn't here. This team does not have that gear, underlined by two of the leaders having their worst games in black.
Since 2004 the first generation of players built the juggernaut. The second generation enjoyed it. This third generation now has flushed it.
Fitzy needs to fly over there and lay on his "remember this feeling" speech because it seems Hansen or Read won't.
@rotated said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
In the past two years they couldn't against the Lions, they couldn't trying to avenge a home loss to the Boks, couldn't against England and couldn't here. This team does not have that gear, underlined by two of the leaders having their worst games in black.
Similar pattern in those SA, England and Ireland games - the starting XV giving up a significant lead, the subs clawing in back. Against Ireland we didn't manage to score when we finally got some dominance in the last 20 minutes.
I'd like to think that the endless foolishness of the chip kick was keeping powder dry for next year - even if inadvertently!
Still, time for Fatguts to earn his paycheck - even if it's just making a 50 cent phone call to Wayne Smith!
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Tackles
Ireland 151-162 New Zealand.Ouch.
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@stargazer said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
Poor Italy, they're going to get it next week. .
Flat track bullies?
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@chimoaus said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
@taniwharugby said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
160 mins of rugby, 1 try.
This, when was the last time we failed to score a try in a match?
Against Australia a few years ago. I think Aussies had Harris kicking for them (the NZer)
@tordah said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
@chimoaus said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
@taniwharugby said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
160 mins of rugby, 1 try.
This, when was the last time we failed to score a try in a match?
Against Australia a few years ago. I think Aussies had Harris kicking for them (the NZer)
There was that bloody 12 all draw wasn't there?
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Pretty simple for me, we lost this in the forwards. Get more direct, go up the guts and win the physical battle before we go wide
@canefan said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
Pretty simple for me, we lost this in the forwards. Get more direct, go up the guts and win the physical battle before we go wide
Not entirely true. The stupid kicking was done by backs (and Ardie) and the ABs' attack improved as soon as Mo'unga came on.
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@canefan said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
Pretty simple for me, we lost this in the forwards. Get more direct, go up the guts and win the physical battle before we go wide
Not entirely true. The stupid kicking was done by backs (and Ardie) and the ABs' attack improved as soon as Mo'unga came on.
@stargazer yeah Mo'unga for ten
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You don't mind losing if you play well or if it's a one-off like England in 2012, but that was one of the few times I've seen a game where it seemed not a single All Black stood out. Crotty & Goodhue were good on defence, and Ardie worked his socks off, but that was about all.
It was the senior players who need to look in the mirror. Too many dumb mistakes and discipline - and no clear thinking or leadership. Headless chickens when under pressure at times.
Some serious thinking needed before the next season
Edit: Not taking anything away from Ireland - they totally outplayed us. Deserved to win tonite.
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I say it every time we play. But "Come on Boys I need this win" My misses and all my outlaws are Irish! I can dine off this for the next year. But if we lose, I cop it nonstop.
@mooshld said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
I say it every time we play. But "Come on Boys I need this win" My misses and all my outlaws are Irish! I can dine off this for the next year. But if we lose, I cop it nonstop.
Ah shit, phone to silent for a month.
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@canefan said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
Pretty simple for me, we lost this in the forwards. Get more direct, go up the guts and win the physical battle before we go wide
Not entirely true. The stupid kicking was done by backs (and Ardie) and the ABs' attack improved as soon as Mo'unga came on.
@stargazer said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
@canefan said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
Pretty simple for me, we lost this in the forwards. Get more direct, go up the guts and win the physical battle before we go wide
Not entirely true. The stupid kicking was done by backs (and Ardie) and the ABs' attack improved as soon as Mo'unga came on.
The kicking was bad but often we weren't going forward when we did it. When we kept it for several phases up front we looked good only to make a silly error and let them off the hook. The first attack at the start of the game was typical
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And the panic ensues......
Better team won today hands down. Irish forwards a cut above ABs especially the loosies. Read and BBBR were really, really poor. Headless chook stuff when composure and tight test match strategy was needed. Actually, Ireland were such a better team tonight that I am not even fussed. Just nodded and clapped my hands. -
Play like chimps and you end up chumps.
I haven’t seen such flat performances from the ABs such as in the last two games.
Yes, the other teams played well (and genuine congrats to Ireland) but not at levels that should have stopped us beating them.
On a note that sounds a bit poor loser though, WR has got to do something about teams wanting a huddle and cuddle before every restart. Sure the time was stopped but it was like a game of NFL out there for Ireland. They were seriously taking the piss.
@crucial Agreed, they have looked flat. I thought this was the year that they wouldn't be flat on the EOYT considering a lot of our forwards had not played many minutes. Perhaps Shag is getting stale, not sure...but in the three big games this year (Pretoria, London, Dublin), we have looked out of sorts.
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@stargazer said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
@canefan said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
Pretty simple for me, we lost this in the forwards. Get more direct, go up the guts and win the physical battle before we go wide
Not entirely true. The stupid kicking was done by backs (and Ardie) and the ABs' attack improved as soon as Mo'unga came on.
The kicking was bad but often we weren't going forward when we did it. When we kept it for several phases up front we looked good only to make a silly error and let them off the hook. The first attack at the start of the game was typical
@canefan not to mention the kicking execution was poor, often to the defender with average chase.
These players dont become poor players overnight, but we have some seriously poor tactics this year, and I appreciate we might be trying different things, but what we are trying of late, aint working, so why are we persisiting?
A Smith & TJP, you are not fucking birds, saw both of them flapping thier wings and then were slow to react to the man running at them.
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@rotated this was about physical contact rugby. Cane would have made a huge difference. Ardie is a different player and to me just doesn’t have that impact.
The tactics this year of kicking have let us down. We are not working on passing and running. When we need to the skills are not there.
Great Irish performance. Clinical.
@kev said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
@rotated this was about physical contact rugby. Cane would have made a huge difference. Ardie is a different player and to me just doesn’t have that impact.
The tactics this year of kicking have let us down. We are not working on passing and running. When we need to the skills are not there.
Great Irish performance. Clinical.
Yeah I agree with this. Cane is a very good in the close exchanges.
There was at least one occasion when Ardie’s extra pace was needed in that Irish breakaway and he comes over and makes a crucial tackle. Cane wouldn’t have got that.
Tactically there were a few strange decisions. For instance the whole front row subbing isn’t one we usually see.
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Looks like Moody was a much bigger loss than many on here thought. Karl still has a lot of work ons.
@akan004 said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
Looks like Moody was a much bigger loss than many on here thought. Karl still has a lot of work ons.
Karl off the bench still looks good to me. The coaches have said he is nowhere near where he needs to be physically, and that is to be expected when you consider where he was at the start of the year.
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@crucial Agreed, they have looked flat. I thought this was the year that they wouldn't be flat on the EOYT considering a lot of our forwards had not played many minutes. Perhaps Shag is getting stale, not sure...but in the three big games this year (Pretoria, London, Dublin), we have looked out of sorts.
@akan004 said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
@crucial Agreed, they have looked flat. I thought this was the year that they wouldn't be flat on the EOYT considering a lot of our forwards had not played many minutes. Perhaps Shag is getting stale, not sure...but in the three big games this year (Pretoria, London, Dublin), we have looked out of sorts.
Maybe I'm kidding myself, but I just hope that the coaches didn't want to play the game they have in mind for the RWC, just because they don't want to give anything away.
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Thats it! We can't win the RWC now. The golden reign is over! Darkness descending upon our national game. Wait for the journos to go batshit...
This is what I find interesting...
In Test 1 v the BIL. We demonstrated a clinically brutal and efficient game - and then we put it away. We've brought it out in patches, the odd half, but thats it.
Some of the reason is Aaron Smith - go back and watch highlights of the AB's 2013-2016 - he used to skip to each ruck. Get it and fling accurate 20m passes and give us momentum - thats just not happening - except today, when TJ did it - what the hell is up with Smith?Theres so many little 1%-ers we're not nailing, 3 time in tests we've dropped the ball at the end chasing the W, Sam Cane v Australia, Dmac v SA, Retallick v Ireland today. Droppsies at the end don't lose a test but they're a sign we're a. fatigued, or b. not mentally getting it right - why aren't we getting the clarity we used to?
Was Richie such a standard setter and a freak in this regard - he was able to demand it?
I read a story on Read & Whitelock who say they operate differently and don't demand things quite the same - issue?I really don't believe Barrett is the issue. I think it lies with who is around him.
2016 he was incredible, when he was getting quick ball, and Crotty was on his shoulder.
I think hes shown in the last two tests he can control things and push us into parts of the field we want to be (not without saying, a few of his grubbers were a bit long v England)I like that we can scramble through game-plans to find one that works - I wonder though - are we getting a bit muddled because we have too many options?
We're a great chance to get the RWC three-peat, we'll win through our pool, quarters will be fine. As long as our coaches get clarity and we sharpen our focus over the summer.Lastly, what pisses me off, is that we just seem to be playing dumb & loose. The Irish showed the value of keeping possession. If you've got it, they can't score. And thats what happened today.
All of our starters can fuck-off for summer. They don't get to fix it vs. Italy. They can go let that niggly little rock fester all several months.
