Ireland vs All Blacks (2018)
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Finally an answer to the age old question, "what's the worst test match the All Blacks have ever played?"
What even were the tactics that would win us that game? A lucky bounce from a kick?
There better be a large wad of dry powder somewhere in that All Black camp.
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@rancid-schnitzel that's why I pondered whether it was a conincidence. None of us will really know. We only saw Goodhue taking the ball on the run once and having enough time to pass to Ioane, and that was from a decent Mo'unga pass.
I am not a Barrett hater before anyone accuses me of being one. I am not convinced he is a world cup winning 10.
@crazy-horse said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
@rancid-schnitzel that's why I pondered whether it was a conincidence. None of us will really know. We only saw Goodhue taking the ball on the run once and having enough time to pass to Ioane, and that was from a decent Mo'unga pass.
I am not a Barrett hater before anyone accuses me of being one. I am not convinced he is a world cup winning 10.
Well we know he can kick drop goals at least
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What a game, well played Ireland, never let us have a sniff.
Lots of work ons (don’t you love cliches), blindside flanker, midfield, Beaudies inabaility to get the backline running, inability to deal with flat agreesive defence, breakdown, BFA has to play fullback. Few players looking tired, Read, A.Smith, Whitelock. Uncharacteristic errors from a few others, looking at you BBBR.
Will fortify myself for a second viewing.
Is Ireland playing the blue print for World Cup finals rugby? They shaded us in the Scrum and kicking game, beat us up on the defensive line, and took there chance for the try, where we bombed our one chance
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Well I’m hoping Shag invites Wayne Smith over for a barbie over the break. We need some fresh ideas
@jc said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
Well I’m hoping Shag invites Wayne Smith over for a barbie over the break. We need some fresh ideas
Henry showed he still has what it takes as defence coach for Auckland, he would be useful too.
Foster is not a great attack coach either, and is a stubborn selector. Might need to keep Hanson but get rid of one of the other two.
We are two years into having the same problems now, and the solution seems to be to stick with what’s notsl working, and double down.
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Tell ya what , that pool game against South Africa becomes a must win game if it wasn’t already ,
To avoid a quarter final against Ireland
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@crazy-horse said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
@rancid-schnitzel that's why I pondered whether it was a conincidence. None of us will really know. We only saw Goodhue taking the ball on the run once and having enough time to pass to Ioane, and that was from a decent Mo'unga pass.
I am not a Barrett hater before anyone accuses me of being one. I am not convinced he is a world cup winning 10.
Well we know he can kick drop goals at least
.@rancid-schnitzel said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
@crazy-horse said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
@rancid-schnitzel that's why I pondered whether it was a conincidence. None of us will really know. We only saw Goodhue taking the ball on the run once and having enough time to pass to Ioane, and that was from a decent Mo'unga pass.
I am not a Barrett hater before anyone accuses me of being one. I am not convinced he is a world cup winning 10.
Well we know he can kick drop goals at least
.But why?
Free reign to have a crack with ball in hand, always coming back for the penalty if we fucked up ... so un-All Black
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What a game, well played Ireland, never let us have a sniff.
Lots of work ons (don’t you love cliches), blindside flanker, midfield, Beaudies inabaility to get the backline running, inability to deal with flat agreesive defence, breakdown, BFA has to play fullback. Few players looking tired, Read, A.Smith, Whitelock. Uncharacteristic errors from a few others, looking at you BBBR.
Will fortify myself for a second viewing.
Is Ireland playing the blue print for World Cup finals rugby? They shaded us in the Scrum and kicking game, beat us up on the defensive line, and took there chance for the try, where we bombed our one chance
@dk said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
What a game, well played Ireland, never let us have a sniff.
Lots of work ons (don’t you love cliches), blindside flanker, midfield, Beaudies inabaility to get the backline running, inability to deal with flat agreesive defence, breakdown, BFA has to play fullback. Few players looking tired, Read, A.Smith, Whitelock. Uncharacteristic errors from a few others, looking at you BBBR.
Will fortify myself for a second viewing.
Is Ireland playing the blue print for World Cup finals rugby? They shaded us in the Scrum and kicking game, beat us up on the defensive line, and took there chance for the try, where we bombed our one chance
We bombed at least 3 by my count
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Just watched the game.
Firstly well done Ireland. Bestest us in every facet today. Absolutey no other way to say it but we gave it everything and lost to the better side. And thanks to both teams for the best game of rugby i have watched in ages. Loved it.
Toner or van de flier for best on ground, although O'Mahoney was fucking good too.
Great test, deserved result.
Oh and i thought Barnes was really really good too.
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@rancid-schnitzel said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
@crazy-horse said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
@rancid-schnitzel that's why I pondered whether it was a conincidence. None of us will really know. We only saw Goodhue taking the ball on the run once and having enough time to pass to Ioane, and that was from a decent Mo'unga pass.
I am not a Barrett hater before anyone accuses me of being one. I am not convinced he is a world cup winning 10.
Well we know he can kick drop goals at least
.But why?
Free reign to have a crack with ball in hand, always coming back for the penalty if we fucked up ... so un-All Black
@booboo said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
@rancid-schnitzel said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
@crazy-horse said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
@rancid-schnitzel that's why I pondered whether it was a conincidence. None of us will really know. We only saw Goodhue taking the ball on the run once and having enough time to pass to Ioane, and that was from a decent Mo'unga pass.
I am not a Barrett hater before anyone accuses me of being one. I am not convinced he is a world cup winning 10.
Well we know he can kick drop goals at least
.But why?
Free reign to have a crack with ball in hand, always coming back for the penalty if we fucked up ... so un-All Black
Exactly. Don't know why he has been receiving so much of praise over the last two weeks for his droppies. To me he threw away a couple of free plays. Dumb.
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Congrats Ireland. Well deserved. Can't really find anything to whinge about (other than your godawful commentators - you should bbbt e embarrassed!). Two teams going hard. Could gave gone either way. Ireland ever so slightly better for longer.
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@rancid-schnitzel said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
@crazy-horse said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
@rancid-schnitzel that's why I pondered whether it was a conincidence. None of us will really know. We only saw Goodhue taking the ball on the run once and having enough time to pass to Ioane, and that was from a decent Mo'unga pass.
I am not a Barrett hater before anyone accuses me of being one. I am not convinced he is a world cup winning 10.
Well we know he can kick drop goals at least
.But why?
Free reign to have a crack with ball in hand, always coming back for the penalty if we fucked up ... so un-All Black
@booboo yes, those two drop goals were under advantage. Opportunity missed. Reads decision to take 3 when we needed a try to be able to win game. Those last few minutes when we had guys everywhere - in pods, out of pods, running lines, standing still - but we went side to side with nothing happening. Those endless box kicks which left us defending in our own half. Those 3 instances in the second half with running front foot attack ball and the player chose to grubber. In each case we hand the ball over. Something is wrong with our mindset.
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Good match by Ireland deserving of the win. I usually don't like the old cliche "that was the loss we needed to have" etc, but I think this one might actually do us good going forward.
Haven't done my read back through the thread, to the tell the truth I'm a bit scared.
Can't think of any who had really good games, there were a lot of some good and some bad. Even BBBR made a few critical errors.
Man I wish we could create space for Ioane ... he always beat the first man but always got the ball with three defenders on him.
So annoying that we only have Italy left on this tour.
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Good match by Ireland deserving of the win. I usually don't like the old cliche "that was the loss we needed to have" etc, but I think this one might actually do us good going forward.
Haven't done my read back through the thread, to the tell the truth I'm a bit scared.
Can't think of any who had really good games, there were a lot of some good and some bad. Even BBBR made a few critical errors.
Man I wish we could create space for Ioane ... he always beat the first man but always got the ball with three defenders on him.
So annoying that we only have Italy left on this tour.
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@rancid-schnitzel said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
@crazy-horse said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
@rancid-schnitzel that's why I pondered whether it was a conincidence. None of us will really know. We only saw Goodhue taking the ball on the run once and having enough time to pass to Ioane, and that was from a decent Mo'unga pass.
I am not a Barrett hater before anyone accuses me of being one. I am not convinced he is a world cup winning 10.
Well we know he can kick drop goals at least
.But why?
Free reign to have a crack with ball in hand, always coming back for the penalty if we fucked up ... so un-All Black
@booboo said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
@rancid-schnitzel said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
@crazy-horse said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
@rancid-schnitzel that's why I pondered whether it was a conincidence. None of us will really know. We only saw Goodhue taking the ball on the run once and having enough time to pass to Ioane, and that was from a decent Mo'unga pass.
I am not a Barrett hater before anyone accuses me of being one. I am not convinced he is a world cup winning 10.
Well we know he can kick drop goals at least
.But why?
Free reign to have a crack with ball in hand, always coming back for the penalty if we fucked up ... so un-All Black
For sure, but I think that has to be tactical looking forward. Give him a chance to practice during a game. Doesn't help much if it comes down to a dg situation in a game and we find out he can't land them. Anyone can bang them over at practice.
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@rocky-rockbottom said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
test out another captain
This. On field leadership is one of the keys to success - it's not all about the coach.
@snowy guess the thing with today was, Read (as were a number of our leaders) wasnt playing well, so I guess from that perspective it makes it harder for them to see what changes they need to make for the team when they are struggling with thier own shit.
I'd like to say we would unlikely see so many of our top players in that sort of form again, but many of our top players are not playing well in Black.
Given many of them will be given a lighter load in Super rugby next year, there really is little scope for someone else to force thier way in through excellence cos we know they wont drop someone who is out of form if they havent been playing.
For me, the most frustrating aspect was the apparent lack of a cohesive gameplan (although the fact everyone thought kicking was cool, that was obviously a tactic, often regardless of game situation and while if all kicks were on point, maybe it mighta worked, but pretty much every single one was either to a player or needed to go through the hands)
The Irish on the other hand, were all on the same page, thier defence was up quickly and together, but not overcomiting to ruck or tackle situations, and every time they got a big turn over or got us into touch or beat us in a critical moment, they all celebrated, knowing the importance of those moments, whereas we, were flat.
Saying some of our lads are tired, probably has some truth, but as @Steven-Harris points out, isnt this why half of NZ came on this tour, to ensure players were as best prepared physically and mentally? Didnt look that way.
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Congrats Ireland. Well deserved. Can't really find anything to whinge about (other than your godawful commentators - you should bbbt e embarrassed!). Two teams going hard. Could gave gone either way. Ireland ever so slightly better for longer.
@booboo said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
Congrats Ireland. Well deserved. Can't really find anything to whinge about (other than your godawful commentators - you should bbbt e embarrassed!). Two teams going hard. Could gave gone either way. Ireland ever so slightly better for longer.
Yes those comms made me desperate for Marshall (although not Kearns, fat cnut). I cut the audio fairly early.
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@nevorian said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
@kiwiinmelb yes please lets not box kick so much, hold the ball more and see what our backs can actually do would be nice
In the end I think that is what did us.
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Also, before I forget (and I'm sure it's mentioned in the thread), I'm bloody surprised that Kearney stayed on the field after colliding with Ioane in the air.
Now, I'm happy he did stay on the field but it goes against how the NH have been ruling those in the last few years - players have been red carded for that.
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We need to think about how we play the game vs Ireland, SA, England and Scotland (Not Wales). These teams have figured out a plan to beat us although Ireland/SA have the cattle to do it. We cannot play with 35% of the ball against these well organised teams! I have mentioned it before but I dont think our defence is the biggest issue considering how little ball we have (Same against SA, England) but we do not look like scoring points let alone tries against these structures.
Our attack has issues. Except first test against BIL when we hit hard flat runners off 9 we have really struggled and have been physically dominated- as we were today.
I do not even want to say I know the answers but I feel we are being to predictable in our structure. What is glaring is we hardly ever get quick go forward ball when teams play us like this.
my two cents- I think we need to simplify our launch plays as when we go more than one pass we are inevitably hit behind the gain line and never recover. When we used Reiko once of the lineout move he almost scored. We have powerful dangerous wingers and they (Ireland) game plan is to denying them the ball. Straight from set phase let them get go forward and play off that. This is why I like Naholo as with him and Reiko they will always go forward. (Maybe Laumape is option?). I know these seem simple but I get frustrated watching our attack game, when we play other teams ok, but when we play these teams we need to think different.
add this to the millions of other opinions
