Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka
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I think the respective careers of Alasdair Cook and Ross Taylor indicate where NZ are very nicely. Same age, pretty much the same ability yet Cook managed 161 tests while Rossco is 90 and counting..
@MN5 said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
I think the respective careers of Alasdair Cook and Ross Taylor indicate where NZ are very nicely. Same age, pretty much the same ability yet Cook managed 161 tests while Rossco is 90 and counting..
It's not as though Taylor has been twiddling his thumbs for the reminder of that time - we are usually playing ODIs where he will hopefully retire with the most ODI centuries by a non sub-continental player outside Ponting.
Taylor (hopefully, probably) will play another 4 years - at least in a single format. Cook punted ODIs and T20 early to focus on test cricket but ultimately it ate him alive psychologically and he burnt out. For a guy like Taylor playing different formats must help massively because whenever his form dips too much in one format he is onto another format and is able to find his way into form again. In a weird way losing the captaincy early may have prolonged his career too.
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@MN5 said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
I think the respective careers of Alasdair Cook and Ross Taylor indicate where NZ are very nicely. Same age, pretty much the same ability yet Cook managed 161 tests while Rossco is 90 and counting..
It's not as though Taylor has been twiddling his thumbs for the reminder of that time - we are usually playing ODIs where he will hopefully retire with the most ODI centuries by a non sub-continental player outside Ponting.
Taylor (hopefully, probably) will play another 4 years - at least in a single format. Cook punted ODIs and T20 early to focus on test cricket but ultimately it ate him alive psychologically and he burnt out. For a guy like Taylor playing different formats must help massively because whenever his form dips too much in one format he is onto another format and is able to find his way into form again. In a weird way losing the captaincy early may have prolonged his career too.
@rotated said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
@MN5 said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
I think the respective careers of Alasdair Cook and Ross Taylor indicate where NZ are very nicely. Same age, pretty much the same ability yet Cook managed 161 tests while Rossco is 90 and counting..
It's not as though Taylor has been twiddling his thumbs for the reminder of that time - we are usually playing ODIs where he will hopefully retire with the most ODI centuries by a non sub-continental player outside Ponting.
Taylor (hopefully, probably) will play another 4 years - at least in a single format. Cook punted ODIs and T20 early to focus on test cricket but ultimately it ate him alive psychologically and he burnt out. For a guy like Taylor playing different formats must help massively because whenever his form dips too much in one format he is onto another format and is able to find his way into form again. In a weird way losing the captaincy early may have prolonged his career too.
Agree with all of this and great post but how many tests has Taylor missed in his career ( I'm assuming the odd one for injury ? )
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@rotated said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
@MN5 said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
I think the respective careers of Alasdair Cook and Ross Taylor indicate where NZ are very nicely. Same age, pretty much the same ability yet Cook managed 161 tests while Rossco is 90 and counting..
It's not as though Taylor has been twiddling his thumbs for the reminder of that time - we are usually playing ODIs where he will hopefully retire with the most ODI centuries by a non sub-continental player outside Ponting.
Taylor (hopefully, probably) will play another 4 years - at least in a single format. Cook punted ODIs and T20 early to focus on test cricket but ultimately it ate him alive psychologically and he burnt out. For a guy like Taylor playing different formats must help massively because whenever his form dips too much in one format he is onto another format and is able to find his way into form again. In a weird way losing the captaincy early may have prolonged his career too.
Agree with all of this and great post but how many tests has Taylor missed in his career ( I'm assuming the odd one for injury ? )
@MN5 said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
@rotated said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
@MN5 said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
I think the respective careers of Alasdair Cook and Ross Taylor indicate where NZ are very nicely. Same age, pretty much the same ability yet Cook managed 161 tests while Rossco is 90 and counting..
It's not as though Taylor has been twiddling his thumbs for the reminder of that time - we are usually playing ODIs where he will hopefully retire with the most ODI centuries by a non sub-continental player outside Ponting.
Taylor (hopefully, probably) will play another 4 years - at least in a single format. Cook punted ODIs and T20 early to focus on test cricket but ultimately it ate him alive psychologically and he burnt out. For a guy like Taylor playing different formats must help massively because whenever his form dips too much in one format he is onto another format and is able to find his way into form again. In a weird way losing the captaincy early may have prolonged his career too.
Agree with all of this and great post but how many tests has Taylor missed in his career ( I'm assuming the odd one for injury ? )
Statsguru says he has missed 9 tests of the 90 since his debut, with two of those being the SA tour immediately after after the captaincy.
Easily could have nabbed a few caps a season prior to his debut, but they rightly (for once) held off blooding a promising batsman too early him while persisting with Sinclair, How, Marshall etc.
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@MN5 said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
@rotated said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
@MN5 said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
I think the respective careers of Alasdair Cook and Ross Taylor indicate where NZ are very nicely. Same age, pretty much the same ability yet Cook managed 161 tests while Rossco is 90 and counting..
It's not as though Taylor has been twiddling his thumbs for the reminder of that time - we are usually playing ODIs where he will hopefully retire with the most ODI centuries by a non sub-continental player outside Ponting.
Taylor (hopefully, probably) will play another 4 years - at least in a single format. Cook punted ODIs and T20 early to focus on test cricket but ultimately it ate him alive psychologically and he burnt out. For a guy like Taylor playing different formats must help massively because whenever his form dips too much in one format he is onto another format and is able to find his way into form again. In a weird way losing the captaincy early may have prolonged his career too.
Agree with all of this and great post but how many tests has Taylor missed in his career ( I'm assuming the odd one for injury ? )
Statsguru says he has missed 9 tests of the 90 since his debut, with two of those being the SA tour immediately after after the captaincy.
Easily could have nabbed a few caps a season prior to his debut, but they rightly (for once) held off blooding a promising batsman too early him while persisting with Sinclair, How, Marshall etc.
@rotated said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
@MN5 said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
@rotated said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
@MN5 said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
I think the respective careers of Alasdair Cook and Ross Taylor indicate where NZ are very nicely. Same age, pretty much the same ability yet Cook managed 161 tests while Rossco is 90 and counting..
It's not as though Taylor has been twiddling his thumbs for the reminder of that time - we are usually playing ODIs where he will hopefully retire with the most ODI centuries by a non sub-continental player outside Ponting.
Taylor (hopefully, probably) will play another 4 years - at least in a single format. Cook punted ODIs and T20 early to focus on test cricket but ultimately it ate him alive psychologically and he burnt out. For a guy like Taylor playing different formats must help massively because whenever his form dips too much in one format he is onto another format and is able to find his way into form again. In a weird way losing the captaincy early may have prolonged his career too.
Agree with all of this and great post but how many tests has Taylor missed in his career ( I'm assuming the odd one for injury ? )
Statsguru says he has missed 9 tests of the 90 since his debut, with two of those being the SA tour immediately after after the captaincy.
Easily could have nabbed a few caps a season prior to his debut, but they rightly (for once) held off blooding a promising batsman too early him while persisting with Sinclair, How, Marshall etc.
Cool so my point of him missing fuck all is justified.
Geez old mate Sinclair had a weird test career.
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Doing some drunken googling......Henry Nicholls.....test average 43.54 !!!!!
Holy shit son.....save some pussy for the rest of the boys. Outstanding.
@MN5 said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
Doing some drunken googling......Henry Nicholls.....test average 43.54 !!!!!
Holy shit son.....save some pussy for the rest of the boys. Outstanding.
I was doing the same the other day.
Have we ever had a better top 6 in terms of collective averages?Raval 34.69
Latham 41.59
Williamson 51.44
Taylor 45.93
Nicholls 43.54
Watling 37.74In the bad old days we’d be doing well if we had just one averaging in the 40’s and the rest mid to low 30’s plodders.
Now we’ve got three of them, plus one in the neverland of the 50’s.Unreal!
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@MN5 said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
Doing some drunken googling......Henry Nicholls.....test average 43.54 !!!!!
Holy shit son.....save some pussy for the rest of the boys. Outstanding.
I was doing the same the other day.
Have we ever had a better top 6 in terms of collective averages?Raval 34.69
Latham 41.59
Williamson 51.44
Taylor 45.93
Nicholls 43.54
Watling 37.74In the bad old days we’d be doing well if we had just one averaging in the 40’s and the rest mid to low 30’s plodders.
Now we’ve got three of them, plus one in the neverland of the 50’s.Unreal!
@Gunner said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
@MN5 said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
Doing some drunken googling......Henry Nicholls.....test average 43.54 !!!!!
Holy shit son.....save some pussy for the rest of the boys. Outstanding.
I was doing the same the other day.
Have we ever had a better top 6 in terms of collective averages?Raval 34.69
Latham 41.59
Williamson 51.44
Taylor 45.93
Nicholls 43.54
Watling 37.74In the bad old days we’d be doing well if we had just one averaging in the 40’s and the rest mid to low 30’s plodders.
Now we’ve got three of them, plus one in the neverland of the 50’s.Unreal!
Short answer. No.
I do remember Craig McMillan sneaking his over 40 and being immensely proud but then it went down late in his career.
Having four over 40 in one team is ridiculously good. We don't quite have the Hadlee/Bond spearhead but the Boult/Southee/Wagner trio is very likely our best ever.
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It's a good team but it's a team where we have to win now. Taylor and Watling probably have two years before their form starts to decline. Southee and Boult are 30/29. Will they be the same in three years? There are question marks about who our best spinner should be, question marks about the all rounder and pressure could be on Raval if there are a few more failures. So you can be pessimistic about the future too. Our next batsman in is probably still Brownlie, our next quick, Henry, has a poor test record to this point.
If we are going to do well at a World Cup again it probably has to be this year. 2023 will be India and the teams from that part of the world will be tough to beat. We need the team to deliver now because we don't get a team as good as this often enough to waste it.
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@MN5 said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
Doing some drunken googling......Henry Nicholls.....test average 43.54 !!!!!
Holy shit son.....save some pussy for the rest of the boys. Outstanding.
I was doing the same the other day.
Have we ever had a better top 6 in terms of collective averages?Raval 34.69
Latham 41.59
Williamson 51.44
Taylor 45.93
Nicholls 43.54
Watling 37.74In the bad old days we’d be doing well if we had just one averaging in the 40’s and the rest mid to low 30’s plodders.
Now we’ve got three of them, plus one in the neverland of the 50’s.Unreal!
@Gunner said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
@MN5 said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
Doing some drunken googling......Henry Nicholls.....test average 43.54 !!!!!
Holy shit son.....save some pussy for the rest of the boys. Outstanding.
I was doing the same the other day.
Have we ever had a better top 6 in terms of collective averages?Raval 34.69
Latham 41.59
Williamson 51.44
Taylor 45.93
Nicholls 43.54
Watling 37.74In the bad old days we’d be doing well if we had just one averaging in the 40’s and the rest mid to low 30’s plodders.
Now we’ve got three of them, plus one in the neverland of the 50’s.Unreal!
The closest we got was through the 80s, with Turner then Crowe coinciding with JF Reid then Jones, so two above 44 with another two above 37 for some of it (Wright for all of it and Coney until he retired in 1987).
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The '04 line-up was the closest I've seen. The difference in the top six basically being Kane and that difference being made up by 7-9 (granted even though both would score runs that year, neither Baz or Vettori were the batsman they would become)
Richardson 44.77
Fleming 40.07
Astle 37.02
Styris 36.05
McMillan 38.47
Oram 36.33
Then...
Cairns
McCullum
Vettori -
After this particular test, Rigor was averaging 54, Chinny 45, Macca and Skippy 43, and Flem 37. Matt Horne in the low 30s.
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I still think Paddles edges KW as our greatest individual player but, rose tinted glasses or not it has to be pointed out some of his teammates were ordinary. Not a patch on many of today's guys.
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I still think Paddles edges KW as our greatest individual player but, rose tinted glasses or not it has to be pointed out some of his teammates were ordinary. Not a patch on many of today's guys.
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@MN5 I don't think Kane should be compared to Sir Paddles until he finishes his career.
If he plays to the same age then he's not even halfway through.
@Chris-B said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
@MN5 I don't think Kane should be compared to Sir Paddles until he finishes his career.
If he plays to the same age then he's not even halfway through.
Even then should he be compared to a bowler? If Kane keeps going on the same trajectory he is going at the moment, I will happily call them equal best. Paddles strike rather was extraordinary.
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@MN5 I don't think Kane should be compared to Sir Paddles until he finishes his career.
If he plays to the same age then he's not even halfway through.
@Chris-B said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
@MN5 I don't think Kane should be compared to Sir Paddles until he finishes his career.
If he plays to the same age then he's not even halfway through.
I suppose Paddles had the advantage of being a handy batsman but even KW is a more than useful bowler when he turns the arm over.
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@Chris-B said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
@MN5 I don't think Kane should be compared to Sir Paddles until he finishes his career.
If he plays to the same age then he's not even halfway through.
I suppose Paddles had the advantage of being a handy batsman but even KW is a more than useful bowler when he turns the arm over.
@MN5 @Hooroo Different jobs - different eras.
Kane will probably play more than twice the number of test Sir Paddles did - but, a lot less first class cricket.
Received wisdom seems that Kane has already gone past Marty Crowe - but, Marty scored 71 first class centuries - where Kane has just 29 - and that has to be factored into the career equation where the old guys played a lot of non-international first class cricket compared to the guys today.
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@MN5 @Hooroo Different jobs - different eras.
Kane will probably play more than twice the number of test Sir Paddles did - but, a lot less first class cricket.
Received wisdom seems that Kane has already gone past Marty Crowe - but, Marty scored 71 first class centuries - where Kane has just 29 - and that has to be factored into the career equation where the old guys played a lot of non-international first class cricket compared to the guys today.
@Chris-B said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
@MN5 @Hooroo Different jobs - different eras.
Kane will probably play more than twice the number of test Sir Paddles did - but, a lot less first class cricket.
Received wisdom seems that Kane has already gone past Marty Crowe - but, Marty scored 71 first class centuries - where Kane has just 29 - and that has to be factored into the career equation where the old guys played a lot of non-international first class cricket compared to the guys today.
Sir Paddles has more than 100 first class five-wicket bags.
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@Chris-B said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
@MN5 @Hooroo Different jobs - different eras.
Kane will probably play more than twice the number of test Sir Paddles did - but, a lot less first class cricket.
Received wisdom seems that Kane has already gone past Marty Crowe - but, Marty scored 71 first class centuries - where Kane has just 29 - and that has to be factored into the career equation where the old guys played a lot of non-international first class cricket compared to the guys today.
Sir Paddles has more than 100 first class five-wicket bags.
@Chris-B said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
@Chris-B said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
@MN5 @Hooroo Different jobs - different eras.
Kane will probably play more than twice the number of test Sir Paddles did - but, a lot less first class cricket.
Received wisdom seems that Kane has already gone past Marty Crowe - but, Marty scored 71 first class centuries - where Kane has just 29 - and that has to be factored into the career equation where the old guys played a lot of non-international first class cricket compared to the guys today.
Sir Paddles has more than 100 first class five-wicket bags.
And Glen Turner did the batting equivalent with centuries......but I think that's only part of the equation when you consider ordinary test batsmen like Graeme Hick, Mark Ramprakash and Mike Gatting did exactly the same.
