Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka
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@Siam If it were that easy, everyone would do it, but very bowlers can drop the ball on the penny every ball, and even those who can get mauled by batsmen who move out of their ground a little, giving them the ability to move forward or back as the ball is being bowled, changing the length to a full toss or half volley.
@Godder 4 identical full tosses all hit for 6
And no bowler can land it on a penny every ball so that's a pointless standard
We're talking about achievable skill acquisition, difficult yes, but being reliably able to bowl a yorker has proven to be a handy tool of the profession
Southee has to do better than that
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@kev said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
@Damo that’s just stupid. It’s his first game of one day cricket this season. These are the games where you want bowlers trying to bowl length balls in pressure situations.
If this was a one off then that would be a reasonable comment.
However he's been rubbish in ODI's for the last couple of seasons now. He doesn't take wickets consistently at the top of the innings, and he doesn't bowl well at the death.
@Damo said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
@kev said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
@Damo that’s just stupid. It’s his first game of one day cricket this season. These are the games where you want bowlers trying to bowl length balls in pressure situations.
If this was a one off then that would be a reasonable comment.
However he's been rubbish in ODI's for the last couple of seasons now. He doesn't take wickets consistently at the top of the innings, and he doesn't bowl well at the death.
Interesting to see his performances in chart form. Looks fairly consistent at first glance but avg has crept up from 30 to 35 and the wicket taking chart has a lot of gaps since 2015 with lower counts as well.
http://www.howstat.com/cricket/Statistics/Players/PlayerBowlGraph.asp?PlayerID=3542&c=ODI
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@Godder 4 identical full tosses all hit for 6
And no bowler can land it on a penny every ball so that's a pointless standard
We're talking about achievable skill acquisition, difficult yes, but being reliably able to bowl a yorker has proven to be a handy tool of the profession
Southee has to do better than that
@Siam So achievable that almost no other bowlers from any country can do it or have ever been able to do it? What is it about reliably bowling yorkers that isn't dropping it on a penny? Yorkers have to be of very specific line and length to be useful, and anything much outside that is prone to being smacked or called wide - the margin for error is very small. Also, as noted, batsmen can change the line and length by moving as the ball is being bowled, and again, the margins are small - how does that factor into your thinking?
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Malinga didnt seem to have any problems bowling yorkers consistently yesterday, although he did have a few problems in the first game.
@LABCAT said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
Malinga didnt seem to have any problems bowling yorkers consistently yesterday, although he did have a few problems in the first game.
Timmy was reliably landing those four identical full tosses on a penny that was about 4 metres behind the stumps, so a penny that's actually on the pitch should be a piece of piss for him!
Unfortunately, Perera's tactic of throwing a handful of pennies into the crowd, on his way out to bat, got Tim confused!
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What was most concerning is our inability to change tactics when they clearly were not working. Might be we were practicing something for the WC, but constantly putting the ball full was just bowling to Perera's strengths.
Also, @Chris-B has mentioned it already, but without a genuine pace option our seam attack is very same-same, particularly at the death. A bit of express pace with some short stuff tickling the ribs would have gone a long way last night.
Good to see our batsmen scoring some runs, but I don't think we can expect the same quantity of runs against better attacks, so we are going to need smarter cricket from our bowlers.
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In saying that, we wouldn't be having this discussion if we just took even half our chances in the field...
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In saying that, we wouldn't be having this discussion if we just took even half our chances in the field...
@No-Quarter said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
In saying that, we wouldn't be having this discussion if we just took even half our chances in the field...
Even 20% of them
Can't believe the quality of the fielders who dumped relatively easy chances
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What was most concerning is our inability to change tactics when they clearly were not working. Might be we were practicing something for the WC, but constantly putting the ball full was just bowling to Perera's strengths.
Also, @Chris-B has mentioned it already, but without a genuine pace option our seam attack is very same-same, particularly at the death. A bit of express pace with some short stuff tickling the ribs would have gone a long way last night.
Good to see our batsmen scoring some runs, but I don't think we can expect the same quantity of runs against better attacks, so we are going to need smarter cricket from our bowlers.
@No-Quarter said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
Also, @Chris-B has mentioned it already, but without a genuine pace option our seam attack is very same-same, particularly at the death.
While a concern in general I don't think this will be an issue in England in May.
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@No-Quarter said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
Also, @Chris-B has mentioned it already, but without a genuine pace option our seam attack is very same-same, particularly at the death.
While a concern in general I don't think this will be an issue in England in May.
@rotated it's a June tournament really. Going by our last white ball games over there I think our seam bowling will be a bit of a buffet.
I wonder if the teams with the leggies and t20 successful spinners will be in the best position to prosper on what are great batting pitches?
Either way the patterns in pommieland suggest you need 300 minimum to prosper each game, so a lot depends on batting
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Looking at the schedule Is there a reason why the Bay Oval has 4 of the 6 ODIs this summer?
@Virgil said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
Looking at the schedule Is there a reason why the Bay Oval has 4 of the 6 ODIs this summer?
Shouldn't it just be named 'the oval' because we all know it isn't the real bay....
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Bit of man love for Taylor from Chris Rattue of all people: https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=12186271
Interesting stat - Rosscoe's ODI average is 60 since he was dumped as captain.
And a bit more man love for Taylor:
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=12186122
NZ's greatest ODI batsman, will pass Fleming soon on the most runs chart, and only Kane has a hope of bettering him.
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What is Rattue smoking? Taylor gave a handful of fairly candid interviews at the time, talking about the timeline, what Hesson's representations to him were in Sri Lanka, the way the transition was handled etc etc. His story is fairly well out there.
Is this Rattue asking Roscoe if he can ghostwrite his book or something?
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Bit of man love for Taylor from Chris Rattue of all people: https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=12186271
Interesting stat - Rosscoe's ODI average is 60 since he was dumped as captain.
And a bit more man love for Taylor:
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=12186122
NZ's greatest ODI batsman, will pass Fleming soon on the most runs chart, and only Kane has a hope of bettering him.
@Godder said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
Bit of man love for Taylor from Chris Rattue of all people: https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=12186271
Interesting stat - Rosscoe's ODI average is 60 since he was dumped as captain.
And a bit more man love for Taylor:
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=12186122
NZ's greatest ODI batsman, will pass Fleming soon on the most runs chart, and only Kane has a hope of bettering him.
2nd or 3rd best test batsman too depending on your viewpoint....
I was furious at the time that some nerdy little accountant looking fuck replaced him....how wrong I was.
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Interesting team. Nicholls had one hell of a year! So did Holder by the looks.
https://twitter.com/ESPNcricinfo/status/1082065230656618497?s=19
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Looking at those bowling figures you must summaise the Windies mush have play a fair number of games against Zimbabwe and Bangladesh plus some token tests against Kenya and Afghanistan.
@Higgins said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
Looking at those bowling figures you must summaise the Windies mush have play a fair number of games against Zimbabwe and Bangladesh plus some token tests against Kenya and Afghanistan.
That was my thought as well (haven't looked it up yet).
Those are mighty impressive stats for Holder.EDIT: Not sure of the time period involved but Windies played the Bangles twice. In the one test Holder played against India he did get a cheap Michelle and a 50 though
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Yeah it focusus on average more than quantity of runs as well, without taking into account opposition.
I like that there are a few Kiwis there though :smiling_face_with_sunglasses: was a good year for us.
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@Higgins said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
Looking at those bowling figures you must summaise the Windies mush have play a fair number of games against Zimbabwe and Bangladesh plus some token tests against Kenya and Afghanistan.
That was my thought as well (haven't looked it up yet).
Those are mighty impressive stats for Holder.EDIT: Not sure of the time period involved but Windies played the Bangles twice. In the one test Holder played against India he did get a cheap Michelle and a 50 though
@Crucial said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
@Higgins said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
Looking at those bowling figures you must summaise the Windies mush have play a fair number of games against Zimbabwe and Bangladesh plus some token tests against Kenya and Afghanistan.
That was my thought as well (haven't looked it up yet).
Those are mighty impressive stats for Holder.EDIT: Not sure of the time period involved but Windies played the Bangles twice. In the one test Holder played against India he did get a cheap Michelle and a 50 though
Just checked Holders career stats. Definitely in the 'very good' all rounder category now for sure. Sub 30 for a bowler is obviously a great yardstick and a cheeky 30 with the willow is mighty handy too.
Lyons inclusion is proof that the world, not just NZ, is obsessed with having a spinner no matter how ordinary he may be.
....and yes, how good to have three batsmen. KW is almost a given these days but the other two have done shit I couldn't have dreamed they could. Shot boys.
