Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka
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He's an automatic pick in both main formats in an all time NZ XI. Simple as that. Not a huge number who can claim that.
@MN5 said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
He's an automatic pick in both main formats in an all time NZ XI. Simple as that. Not a huge number who can claim that.
Given he bats #4 in tests - unless I pick either him or Marty out of position, I have to leave one of them out, but I can't do that so I would have Marty at #4 and Roscoe at #5. in ODIs, I actualy think Roscoe is the superior batsman, something I never thought I would say...but his late career surge is so impressive and he owns the best ever ODI innings by a NZer - having taken the time to watch that game in full a couple of times - that 181*, once you take into account match situation, personal travails and the quality of the opposition - just sublime.
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Except in our greatest victory since 1985, the recent UAE series, Taylor was a disgrace with the bat
@Siam said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
Except in our greatest victory since 1985, the recent UAE series, Taylor was a disgrace with the bat
0, 22 New Zealand v Pakistan Abu Dhabi 3 Dec 2018 Test # 2332
0, 82 New Zealand v Pakistan Dubai (DSC) 24 Nov 2018 Test # 2330
2, 19 New Zealand v Pakistan Abu Dhabi 16 Nov 2018 Test # 2327Disgrace is way too emotive and hyperbolic a term - he had a very poor series but he was not a disgrace. Disgrace should be something reserved for Cheating or bringing the game into disrepute.
By your standard, KW was an even worse disgrace during the ODI series in UAE, wasting balls in his only innings above 20.
27 - 38 2 0 71.05 3 caught 1 v Pakistan Abu Dhabi 7 Nov 2018 ODI # 4066
1 - 3 0 0 33.33 3 run out 1 v Pakistan Abu Dhabi 9 Nov 2018 ODI # 4068Seriously one series and you're willing to label him a disgrace? By that standard, all NZ players have been a disgrace.
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@MN5 said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
He's an automatic pick in both main formats in an all time NZ XI. Simple as that. Not a huge number who can claim that.
Given he bats #4 in tests - unless I pick either him or Marty out of position, I have to leave one of them out, but I can't do that so I would have Marty at #4 and Roscoe at #5. in ODIs, I actualy think Roscoe is the superior batsman, something I never thought I would say...but his late career surge is so impressive and he owns the best ever ODI innings by a NZer - having taken the time to watch that game in full a couple of times - that 181*, once you take into account match situation, personal travails and the quality of the opposition - just sublime.
@SynicBast said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
@MN5 said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
He's an automatic pick in both main formats in an all time NZ XI. Simple as that. Not a huge number who can claim that.
Given he bats #4 in tests - unless I pick either him or Marty out of position, I have to leave one of them out, but I can't do that so I would have Marty at #4 and Roscoe at #5. in ODIs, I actualy think Roscoe is the superior batsman, something I never thought I would say...but his late career surge is so impressive and he owns the best ever ODI innings by a NZer - having taken the time to watch that game in full a couple of times - that 181*, once you take into account match situation, personal travails and the quality of the opposition - just sublime.
Are you seriously suggesting you leave one of them out just cos they both batted four?
It's not Rugby ( and even then there's heaps of examples of guys moving to accomodate others ) but the thought of you even contemplating leaving one of them out and have Astle, McMillan, Coney or whoever there instead just makes me mad. MAD it does!
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@Siam said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
Except in our greatest victory since 1985, the recent UAE series, Taylor was a disgrace with the bat
0, 22 New Zealand v Pakistan Abu Dhabi 3 Dec 2018 Test # 2332
0, 82 New Zealand v Pakistan Dubai (DSC) 24 Nov 2018 Test # 2330
2, 19 New Zealand v Pakistan Abu Dhabi 16 Nov 2018 Test # 2327Disgrace is way too emotive and hyperbolic a term - he had a very poor series but he was not a disgrace. Disgrace should be something reserved for Cheating or bringing the game into disrepute.
By your standard, KW was an even worse disgrace during the ODI series in UAE, wasting balls in his only innings above 20.
27 - 38 2 0 71.05 3 caught 1 v Pakistan Abu Dhabi 7 Nov 2018 ODI # 4066
1 - 3 0 0 33.33 3 run out 1 v Pakistan Abu Dhabi 9 Nov 2018 ODI # 4068Seriously one series and you're willing to label him a disgrace? By that standard, all NZ players have been a disgrace.
@SynicBast said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
@Siam said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
Except in our greatest victory since 1985, the recent UAE series, Taylor was a disgrace with the bat
0, 22 New Zealand v Pakistan Abu Dhabi 3 Dec 2018 Test # 2332
0, 82 New Zealand v Pakistan Dubai (DSC) 24 Nov 2018 Test # 2330
2, 19 New Zealand v Pakistan Abu Dhabi 16 Nov 2018 Test # 2327Disgrace is way too emotive and hyperbolic a term - he had a very poor series but he was not a disgrace. Disgrace should be something reserved for Cheating or bringing the game into disrepute.
By your standard, KW was an even worse disgrace during the ODI series in UAE, wasting balls in his only innings above 20.
27 - 38 2 0 71.05 3 caught 1 v Pakistan Abu Dhabi 7 Nov 2018 ODI # 4066
1 - 3 0 0 33.33 3 run out 1 v Pakistan Abu Dhabi 9 Nov 2018 ODI # 4068Seriously one series and you're willing to label him a disgrace? By that standard, all NZ players have been a disgrace.
Agree. Absolutely ridiculous. Anyone who gets a duck, and even the very best do, is therefore a 'disgrace' too.
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@Siam said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
Except in our greatest victory since 1985, the recent UAE series, Taylor was a disgrace with the bat
0, 22 New Zealand v Pakistan Abu Dhabi 3 Dec 2018 Test # 2332
0, 82 New Zealand v Pakistan Dubai (DSC) 24 Nov 2018 Test # 2330
2, 19 New Zealand v Pakistan Abu Dhabi 16 Nov 2018 Test # 2327Disgrace is way too emotive and hyperbolic a term - he had a very poor series but he was not a disgrace. Disgrace should be something reserved for Cheating or bringing the game into disrepute.
By your standard, KW was an even worse disgrace during the ODI series in UAE, wasting balls in his only innings above 20.
27 - 38 2 0 71.05 3 caught 1 v Pakistan Abu Dhabi 7 Nov 2018 ODI # 4066
1 - 3 0 0 33.33 3 run out 1 v Pakistan Abu Dhabi 9 Nov 2018 ODI # 4068Seriously one series and you're willing to label him a disgrace? By that standard, all NZ players have been a disgrace.
@SynicBast tests, not odi, I said victory in UAE
He fell to Shah the same way twice in 3 balls and his last innings when we needed something solid he wogged for 14 balls in an innings and dismissal that would have been deemed pathetic in t20.
As arguably NZs finest batsman, he simply phoned it in all series. Nicholls showed far more application, lucky for us.Wouldn't be surprised to learn that his detached performance in UAE reset his attitude for our home summer.
In the context of the series his last innings was a disgrace, and listing scores does not tell the story of what he played like.What did you think of his last innings? After he faced 12 balls what was your assessment of his innings that he was playing? Or are you making an opinion of innings you didn't watch?
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@SynicBast tests, not odi, I said victory in UAE
He fell to Shah the same way twice in 3 balls and his last innings when we needed something solid he wogged for 14 balls in an innings and dismissal that would have been deemed pathetic in t20.
As arguably NZs finest batsman, he simply phoned it in all series. Nicholls showed far more application, lucky for us.Wouldn't be surprised to learn that his detached performance in UAE reset his attitude for our home summer.
In the context of the series his last innings was a disgrace, and listing scores does not tell the story of what he played like.What did you think of his last innings? After he faced 12 balls what was your assessment of his innings that he was playing? Or are you making an opinion of innings you didn't watch?
@Siam said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
@SynicBast tests, not odi, I said victory in UAE
He fell to Shah the same way twice in 3 balls and his last innings when we needed something solid he wogged for 14 balls in an innings and dismissal that would have been deemed pathetic in t20.
As arguably NZs finest batsman, he simply phoned it in all series. Nicholls showed far more application, lucky for us.Wouldn't be surprised to learn that his detached performance in UAE reset his attitude for our home summer.
In the context of the series his last innings was a disgrace, and listing scores does not override what he played likeIs the point you're trying to make is that he could be even better?
I do get that cricket stats can be misleading, after all Brian Lara got fuck all not outs compared to most of his contemporaries so suffered somewhat there.....But if you analyse every player you'll find lulls in performance at some stage.
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@Siam said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
@SynicBast tests, not odi, I said victory in UAE
He fell to Shah the same way twice in 3 balls and his last innings when we needed something solid he wogged for 14 balls in an innings and dismissal that would have been deemed pathetic in t20.
As arguably NZs finest batsman, he simply phoned it in all series. Nicholls showed far more application, lucky for us.Wouldn't be surprised to learn that his detached performance in UAE reset his attitude for our home summer.
In the context of the series his last innings was a disgrace, and listing scores does not override what he played likeIs the point you're trying to make is that he could be even better?
I do get that cricket stats can be misleading, after all Brian Lara got fuck all not outs compared to most of his contemporaries so suffered somewhat there.....But if you analyse every player you'll find lulls in performance at some stage.
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@MN5 watching him over there he displayed all the batting nous of CDG. His last innings was a disgrace to all that he is and all that he's achieved.
I suspect his eventual book will mention it, such the outlier it was
@Siam said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
@MN5 watching him over there he displayed all the batting nous of CDG. His last innings was a disgrace to all that he is and all that he's achieved.
I suspect his eventual book will mention it, such the outlier it was
Fuck I didn't realise BC fans were now AB Fans.
CDGH has been a decent test all rounder for the Caps thanks very much.
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@Siam to me it looked like he was struggling for form and was trying to play aggressive cricket to get back into form. I agree it looked bad, and was a culmination of his series to date. That sort of innings is an exception though, I couldn't count the number of times he's bailed us out of a hole in the past which is why some people think the word "disgrace" is a bit strong.
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Well another pretty disastrous tour for Sri Lanka is nearing an end.
Sri Lanka can take some pride for their fightback to draw the first test, but they were outplayed by the better side overall and really just hanging in there for both games. We've won our last 4 test series in a row - England, WI, Pakistan and Sri Lanka. As a Black Caps fan that is fucking unheard of, this is a real golden era for us and I'm loving every moment of it. We have a very solid test side that has the ability to push anyone, I just wish we had a crack at Aus sans Smith and Warner.
In the ODIs we set the record for most amount of runs in a 3-match series - 1054 - which should tell you all you need to know about our batting and their bowling. Good to see the guys cash in, though they were never really tested. Bowling is a concern, Sri Lanka are better with the bat but not exactly world beaters. We need to get a lot smarter with our plans and execution. Oh and remember how to fucking catch, WTF is up with that.
One final T20 in Auckland to go, because apparently the biggest city in NZ should just get the odd shits & giggles match and nothing much else.
@No-Quarter said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
One final T20 in Auckland to go, because apparently the biggest city in NZ should just get the odd shits & giggles match and nothing much else.
You should petition Jacinderella to start issuing large oval postage stamps - then you could play cricket on one of those instead of the tiny mis-shapen one you currently use!
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@No-Quarter said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
One final T20 in Auckland to go, because apparently the biggest city in NZ should just get the odd shits & giggles match and nothing much else.
You should petition Jacinderella to start issuing large oval postage stamps - then you could play cricket on one of those instead of the tiny mis-shapen one you currently use!
@Chris-B said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
@No-Quarter said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
One final T20 in Auckland to go, because apparently the biggest city in NZ should just get the odd shits & giggles match and nothing much else.
You should petition Jacinderella to start issuing large oval postage stamps - then you could play cricket on one of those instead of the tiny mis-shapen one you currently use!
It's an absolute embarrassment that Auckland doesn't have a suitable international cricket ground.
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@Chris-B said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
@No-Quarter said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
One final T20 in Auckland to go, because apparently the biggest city in NZ should just get the odd shits & giggles match and nothing much else.
You should petition Jacinderella to start issuing large oval postage stamps - then you could play cricket on one of those instead of the tiny mis-shapen one you currently use!
It's an absolute embarrassment that Auckland doesn't have a suitable international cricket ground.
@No-Quarter said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
@Chris-B said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
@No-Quarter said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
One final T20 in Auckland to go, because apparently the biggest city in NZ should just get the odd shits & giggles match and nothing much else.
You should petition Jacinderella to start issuing large oval postage stamps - then you could play cricket on one of those instead of the tiny mis-shapen one you currently use!
It's an absolute embarrassment that Auckland doesn't have a suitable international cricket ground.
Come to Nelson - we've got a brand new and marvelous drainage system under Traf. Park - our rugby test venue!
(There's a barb in this that's not necessarily aimed at you)!
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@MN5 said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
He's an automatic pick in both main formats in an all time NZ XI. Simple as that. Not a huge number who can claim that.
Given he bats #4 in tests - unless I pick either him or Marty out of position, I have to leave one of them out, but I can't do that so I would have Marty at #4 and Roscoe at #5. in ODIs, I actualy think Roscoe is the superior batsman, something I never thought I would say...but his late career surge is so impressive and he owns the best ever ODI innings by a NZer - having taken the time to watch that game in full a couple of times - that 181*, once you take into account match situation, personal travails and the quality of the opposition - just sublime.
@SynicBast said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
he owns the best ever ODI innings by a NZer
He has a strong argument for the best Test innings by a NZer too.
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@SynicBast said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
he owns the best ever ODI innings by a NZer
He has a strong argument for the best Test innings by a NZer too.
@rotated said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
@SynicBast said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
he owns the best ever ODI innings by a NZer
He has a strong argument for the best Test innings by a NZer too.
The 290 in Perth? It's up there
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@Siam to me it looked like he was struggling for form and was trying to play aggressive cricket to get back into form. I agree it looked bad, and was a culmination of his series to date. That sort of innings is an exception though, I couldn't count the number of times he's bailed us out of a hole in the past which is why some people think the word "disgrace" is a bit strong.
@No-Quarter Yeah "disgrace" is too stronger word. (Unless you choose your vocab after a few settling vodkas...)
Poor, and disappointing are better -
@Siam said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
@MN5 watching him over there he displayed all the batting nous of CDG. His last innings was a disgrace to all that he is and all that he's achieved.
I suspect his eventual book will mention it, such the outlier it was
Fuck I didn't realise BC fans were now AB Fans.
CDGH has been a decent test all rounder for the Caps thanks very much.
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@Siam said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
@MN5 his bowling was good in Arabia, but his batting was found wanting
Well yeah but again just seems CDGH is as criticized as Santner is ridiculously pumped.....at least on here.
@MN5 said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
@Siam said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
@MN5 his bowling was good in Arabia, but his batting was found wanting
Well yeah but again just seems CDGH is as criticized as Santner is ridiculously pumped.....at least on here.
CDG to my mind has demonstrated he has the technique and skillset to be more than a hand-eye batsman on batting friendly pitches...Admittedly he has knuckled down and played a responsible watchful innings in line with the match/innings situations but that was actually more underlining the criticisms of his mental fortitude at test level. I'd rtaher have the neesh, who does actually have a solid technique to back up his hand-eye attributes. A lot of CDG's shots are made with minimal to nil foot work and the bat far away from the body and certainly not under the eyes. CDG is if anything a burgeoning Nathan Astle.
Santner I do not get the love for...the attraction must be that he's a left arm orthodox spinner which in T20 and ODI is bloody useful. Left arm spinners are much rarer in cricket full stop, and that allows them just that extra amount of time of adjustment for the majority of batsmen, (excluding the top 30)
