Black Caps 2019 Cricket World Cup Squad
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@rotated Thompson's bowling average was 50!
After Hadlee, Cairns, Vettori and Oram the next most likely candidates would be Nash and CDG
@dogmeat said in Black Caps 2019 Cricket World Cup Squad:
@rotated Thompson's bowling average was 50!
Which is pretty much par for the course for all NZ off-spinners pre-Vettori - even Patel averaged 42. Never said he was terribly good but there was no doubt he was justifiably picked as a top 7 batsman and part of the frontline attack as the lead spinner for a decent period of time.
After Hadlee, Cairns, Vettori and Oram the next most likely candidates would be Nash and CDG
CDG in tests well may be there.
Nash? Never batted in the top 7 in tests, hardly ever in ODI except for the brief period where he captained and batted himself above Harris - in both forms his most frequent batting slot was 9 by a decent margin. Very much in that Andre Adams, later stage Kyle Mills, Nathan McCullum class. Did see him absolutely massacre some line-ups though in some domestic and tour games in person.
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@dogmeat said in Black Caps 2019 Cricket World Cup Squad:
@rotated Thompson's bowling average was 50!
Which is pretty much par for the course for all NZ off-spinners pre-Vettori - even Patel averaged 42. Never said he was terribly good but there was no doubt he was justifiably picked as a top 7 batsman and part of the frontline attack as the lead spinner for a decent period of time.
After Hadlee, Cairns, Vettori and Oram the next most likely candidates would be Nash and CDG
CDG in tests well may be there.
Nash? Never batted in the top 7 in tests, hardly ever in ODI except for the brief period where he captained and batted himself above Harris - in both forms his most frequent batting slot was 9 by a decent margin. Very much in that Andre Adams, later stage Kyle Mills, Nathan McCullum class. Did see him absolutely massacre some line-ups though in some domestic and tour games in person.
@rotated So the qualification for whether you are an all-rounder is how shit your team mates are?
I don't think Thompson was ever justifiably picked as a top seven batsman nor could you ever call his bowling part of an attack.
He never cemented his place in the team. His 19 tests took seven years and he was dire in all but a handful.
I don't think Naskh was a genuine all rounder either but injuries permitting I think he had more potential to become one than Thompson ever did
ST Batting 30.9 Bowling 50.15 Differential -19.25
DN Batting 23.51 Bowling 23.48Differential -4.96I'd give part time partnership breakers like Coney more credence as all rounders than Thompson who shouldn't really have got into the team for either discipline
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@rotated So the qualification for whether you are an all-rounder is how shit your team mates are?
I don't think Thompson was ever justifiably picked as a top seven batsman nor could you ever call his bowling part of an attack.
He never cemented his place in the team. His 19 tests took seven years and he was dire in all but a handful.
I don't think Naskh was a genuine all rounder either but injuries permitting I think he had more potential to become one than Thompson ever did
ST Batting 30.9 Bowling 50.15 Differential -19.25
DN Batting 23.51 Bowling 23.48Differential -4.96I'd give part time partnership breakers like Coney more credence as all rounders than Thompson who shouldn't really have got into the team for either discipline
@dogmeat said in Black Caps 2019 Cricket World Cup Squad:
@rotated So the qualification for whether you are an all-rounder is how shit your team mates are?
I don't think Thompson was ever justifiably picked as a top seven batsman nor could you ever call his bowling part of an attack.
He never cemented his place in the team. His 19 tests took seven years and he was dire in all but a handful.
I don't think Naskh was a genuine all rounder either but injuries permitting I think he had more potential to become one than Thompson ever did
ST Batting 30.9 Bowling 50.15 Differential -19.25
DN Batting 23.51 Bowling 23.48Differential -4.96I'd give part time partnership breakers like Coney more credence as all rounders than Thompson who shouldn't really have got into the team for either discipline
Plus Thomson loses marks for this....
Statistically for me our best test all rounders are probably Paddles, Cairns or Vettori depending on how much allowance you make for a spinner having a higher average.
Paddles the best bowler by fucken miles obviously but the weakest batsman. Cairns the best batsman, possibly second best bowler but obviously DV eclipses both for longevity....
When you consider that centuries/5 fors are rated about the same then Paddles achieved this 38 times in 86 tests vs Cairns 18 in 62 and Vettoris 26 in 113 so in that regard he absolutely blitzes them despite being as I said the inferior batsman.
Internationally Jaques Kallis ( 50 in 166 ) and Beefy Botham ( 41 in 102 ) stand up pretty well.
You know who doesn't? Andrew Flintoff who comes in with a mere 8 in 79 fucken tests!
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@dogmeat said in Black Caps 2019 Cricket World Cup Squad:
@rotated So the qualification for whether you are an all-rounder is how shit your team mates are?
I don't think Thompson was ever justifiably picked as a top seven batsman nor could you ever call his bowling part of an attack.
He never cemented his place in the team. His 19 tests took seven years and he was dire in all but a handful.
I don't think Naskh was a genuine all rounder either but injuries permitting I think he had more potential to become one than Thompson ever did
ST Batting 30.9 Bowling 50.15 Differential -19.25
DN Batting 23.51 Bowling 23.48Differential -4.96I'd give part time partnership breakers like Coney more credence as all rounders than Thompson who shouldn't really have got into the team for either discipline
Plus Thomson loses marks for this....
Statistically for me our best test all rounders are probably Paddles, Cairns or Vettori depending on how much allowance you make for a spinner having a higher average.
Paddles the best bowler by fucken miles obviously but the weakest batsman. Cairns the best batsman, possibly second best bowler but obviously DV eclipses both for longevity....
When you consider that centuries/5 fors are rated about the same then Paddles achieved this 38 times in 86 tests vs Cairns 18 in 62 and Vettoris 26 in 113 so in that regard he absolutely blitzes them despite being as I said the inferior batsman.
Internationally Jaques Kallis ( 50 in 166 ) and Beefy Botham ( 41 in 102 ) stand up pretty well.
You know who doesn't? Andrew Flintoff who comes in with a mere 8 in 79 fucken tests!
@MN5 said in Black Caps 2019 Cricket World Cup Squad:
@dogmeat said in Black Caps 2019 Cricket World Cup Squad:
@rotated So the qualification for whether you are an all-rounder is how shit your team mates are.....?
......You know who doesn't? Andrew Flintoff who comes in with a mere 8 in 79 fucken tests!
That's one more than Joel Garner, who only got 7 in 58 tests.
He did have a bowling average a fraction under 21 though.
Holding only got 13 five wicket bags. Andy Roberts got 11. Colin Croft just 3.
Malcolm Marshall, however, got 22 - so he was marginally better than Cairnsie - though his bowling average was only fractionally better than Joel Garner - who may have been more shit than Flintoff!
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@MN5 said in Black Caps 2019 Cricket World Cup Squad:
@dogmeat said in Black Caps 2019 Cricket World Cup Squad:
@rotated So the qualification for whether you are an all-rounder is how shit your team mates are.....?
......You know who doesn't? Andrew Flintoff who comes in with a mere 8 in 79 fucken tests!
That's one more than Joel Garner, who only got 7 in 58 tests.
He did have a bowling average a fraction under 21 though.
Holding only got 13 five wicket bags. Andy Roberts got 11. Colin Croft just 3.
Malcolm Marshall, however, got 22 - so he was marginally better than Cairnsie - though his bowling average was only fractionally better than Joel Garner - who may have been more shit than Flintoff!
@Chris-B said in Black Caps 2019 Cricket World Cup Squad:
@MN5 said in Black Caps 2019 Cricket World Cup Squad:
@dogmeat said in Black Caps 2019 Cricket World Cup Squad:
@rotated So the qualification for whether you are an all-rounder is how shit your team mates are.....?
......You know who doesn't? Andrew Flintoff who comes in with a mere 8 in 79 fucken tests!
That's one more than Joel Garner, who only got 7 in 58 tests.
He did have a bowling average a fraction under 21 though.
Holding only got 13 five wicket bags. Andy Roberts got 11. Colin Croft just 3.
Malcolm Marshall, however, got 22 - so he was marginally better than Cairnsie - though his bowling average was only fractionally better than Joel Garner - who may have been more shit than Flintoff!
Yeah I kinda realised that after posting it.....Garner had some odd stats for a true great of the game. I guess he was victim in one sense of there only being 10 wickets to take and having to share with the opening bowlers. Obviously he always chipped in with 2-40 or 3-60 type performances.
Flintoff is still fucken overrated though.
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I'd include wicketkeeper-batsmen as all-rounders since they're selected on their ability in two areas of the game.
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@Godder said in Black Caps 2019 Cricket World Cup Squad:
I'd include wicketkeeper-batsmen as all-rounders since they're selected on their ability in two areas of the game.
First of the really good ones in that bracket was probably Alec Stewart.
@MN5 said in Black Caps 2019 Cricket World Cup Squad:
@Godder said in Black Caps 2019 Cricket World Cup Squad:
I'd include wicketkeeper-batsmen as all-rounders since they're selected on their ability in two areas of the game.
First of the really good ones in that bracket was probably Alec Stewart.
And Andy Flower - Stewart was originally a batsman who became keeper later.
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@MN5 said in Black Caps 2019 Cricket World Cup Squad:
@Godder said in Black Caps 2019 Cricket World Cup Squad:
I'd include wicketkeeper-batsmen as all-rounders since they're selected on their ability in two areas of the game.
First of the really good ones in that bracket was probably Alec Stewart.
And Andy Flower - Stewart was originally a batsman who became keeper later.
@Godder said in Black Caps 2019 Cricket World Cup Squad:
@MN5 said in Black Caps 2019 Cricket World Cup Squad:
@Godder said in Black Caps 2019 Cricket World Cup Squad:
I'd include wicketkeeper-batsmen as all-rounders since they're selected on their ability in two areas of the game.
First of the really good ones in that bracket was probably Alec Stewart.
And Andy Flower - Stewart was originally a batsman who became keeper later.
Alec Stewart was always one of my favourites back in the day. He does hold the dubious distinction of being the only guy with over 8000 test runs to average under 40 but still.....
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Adam Milne still a contender.
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@Gunner Not a hot favourite, but if he can stay fit and is bowling fast then I'd rather him than several currently ahead of him.
@Chris-B said in Black Caps 2019 Cricket World Cup Squad:
@Gunner Not a hot favourite, but if he can stay fit and is bowling fast then I'd rather him than several currently ahead of him.
I'd take a fit Milne over Ferguson. But Milne is seriously running outta time while Ferguson has an opportunity VS India to seal his spot.
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Looks like Blundell will make the squad as the back up keeper/batsman. Anderson is injured again and so is Milne.
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Murphy's Law comes into play - bugger.
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@Sneakdefreak said in Black Caps 2019 Cricket World Cup Squad:
Murphy's Law comes into play - bugger.
This is the next rung down on KW/Rossco/Boult getting injured. Not fucken good.
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@Sneakdefreak said in Black Caps 2019 Cricket World Cup Squad:
Murphy's Law comes into play - bugger.
This is the next rung down on KW/Rossco/Boult getting injured. Not fucken good.
@MN5 said in Black Caps 2019 Cricket World Cup Squad:
@Sneakdefreak said in Black Caps 2019 Cricket World Cup Squad:
Murphy's Law comes into play - bugger.
This is the next rung down on KW/Rossco/Boult getting injured. Not fucken good.
Yeah we don't have the depth to cover any injuries really. Latham has been in really good form in the middle order of late.
