2019 Rugby World Cup
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@Stargazer said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:
@Chris-B Has David Havili ever played at 10? I know he can do the goal kicking (I still remember that huge kick in the clip below) and kicks in play, but don't know whether he'd have the required game management skills.
Maybe in club rugby. I don't recall him ever playing there for Mako or Crusaders - even as a fill in. His brother Willy plays first five, though!
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The Springbok emblem has been relegated to the sleeve for this years world cup jersey, creating plenty of comment/debate in the republic.
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The Springbok emblem has been relegated to the sleeve for this years world cup jersey, creating plenty of comment/debate in the republic.
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So Hansen says this of DMac
*"Where we'll miss him most is his ability to rip teams apart. It's not so much a positional thing," says the veteran coach. "He's very much like a young Beauden. He can cover a couple of positions but he's got ability and speed to open sides up. Beauden did that job last World Cup very successfully.
"That takes the pressure off to find someone like that because we've already got someone who is world-class at it.*
So it's he talking about Jordie here?
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@sparky said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:
I read it that he was talking about Beauden Barrett.
That’s how i read it too.
What makes me wonder what is Beauden Barrett's role going to be at the 2019 Rugby World Cup? First choice starting First-Five or super Sub like 2019 or is Hansen sending a coded signal to BB that Mo'unga is the player in better form at the moment.
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So Hansen says this of DMac
*"Where we'll miss him most is his ability to rip teams apart. It's not so much a positional thing," says the veteran coach. "He's very much like a young Beauden. He can cover a couple of positions but he's got ability and speed to open sides up. Beauden did that job last World Cup very successfully.
"That takes the pressure off to find someone like that because we've already got someone who is world-class at it.*
So it's he talking about Jordie here?
@Machpants said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:
*"Where we'll miss him most is his ability to rip teams apart. It's not so much a positional thing," says the veteran coach. "He's very much like a young Beauden. He can cover a couple of positions but he's got ability and speed to open sides up. Beauden did that job last World Cup very successfully.
"That takes the pressure off to find someone like that because we've already got someone who is world-class at it.*
I read it as Beauden too.
A tad troubling that if Beauden and McKenzie both went down Hansen would feel pressure to find another player who can "rip teams apart" rather than revert to a more conventional gameplan and work with the players available.
Obviously the game changes but looking at past RWC finalists having an enigmatic gamebreaker hardly seems a prerequisite. Discipline, good defensive patterns and superior goal/drop kicking does.
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What makes me wonder what is Beauden Barrett's role going to be at the 2019 Rugby World Cup? First choice starting First-Five or super Sub like 2019 or is Hansen sending a coded signal to BB that Mo'unga is the player in better form at the moment.
@sparky I think he's thinking of starting BB at 10 in the big games and possibly shifting him to 15 at some point, with RM coming on at 10. If he wants to start RM at 10 in the big games, he'll need to give RM plenty of starts during the Rugby Championship, particularly against South Africa and Australia, not just the Argies. RM may be the best 10 in SR for the second year straight, but he's still pretty green in black.
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@Machpants said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:
*"Where we'll miss him most is his ability to rip teams apart. It's not so much a positional thing," says the veteran coach. "He's very much like a young Beauden. He can cover a couple of positions but he's got ability and speed to open sides up. Beauden did that job last World Cup very successfully.
"That takes the pressure off to find someone like that because we've already got someone who is world-class at it.*
I read it as Beauden too.
A tad troubling that if Beauden and McKenzie both went down Hansen would feel pressure to find another player who can "rip teams apart" rather than revert to a more conventional gameplan and work with the players available.
Obviously the game changes but looking at past RWC finalists having an enigmatic gamebreaker hardly seems a prerequisite. Discipline, good defensive patterns and superior goal/drop kicking does.
World Cups are usually won by the team with the best 1-10 on the park with very solid team defence. But each World Cup winner has had at least one game-breaker.
1987 New Zealand: John Kirwan and John Gallagher
1991 Australia: David Campese.
1995 South Africa: Andre Joubert
1999 Australia: Stephen Larkham
2003 England: Jason Robinson
2007 South Africa: Bryan Habana
2011 New Zealand: Israel Dagg
2015 New Zealand: Nehe Milner Skudder, SBW and Beauden Barrett. -
What makes me wonder what is Beauden Barrett's role going to be at the 2019 Rugby World Cup? First choice starting First-Five or super Sub like 2019 or is Hansen sending a coded signal to BB that Mo'unga is the player in better form at the moment.
@sparky said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:
What makes me wonder what is Beauden Barrett's role going to be at the 2019 Rugby World Cup? First choice starting First-Five or super Sub like 2019 or is Hansen sending a coded signal to BB that Mo'unga is the player in better form at the moment.
Hansen's reluctance to take a genuine look at Mo'unga at 10/Beaudy 15 combo last year is either total stubbornness or he is intentionally holding it back for this year.
The SBW/Nonu centre combo in the second half of the final which they ran a lot of play through in the 2015 Final, they never tipped their hand before only trialing it in plain site 15-25 minute stints in the pool games and QF in games that were well won and the first half of one rotation effected TRC game.
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@sparky said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:
What makes me wonder what is Beauden Barrett's role going to be at the 2019 Rugby World Cup? First choice starting First-Five or super Sub like 2019 or is Hansen sending a coded signal to BB that Mo'unga is the player in better form at the moment.
Hansen's reluctance to take a genuine look at Mo'unga at 10/Beaudy 15 combo last year is either total stubbornness or he is intentionally holding it back for this year.
The SBW/Nonu centre combo in the second half of the final which they ran a lot of play through in the 2015 Final, they never tipped their hand before only trialing it in plain site 15-25 minute stints in the pool games and QF in games that were well won and the first half of one rotation effected TRC game.
@rotated said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:
Hansen's reluctance to take a genuine look at Mo'unga at 10/Beaudy 15 combo last year is either total stubbornness or he is intentionally holding it back for this year.
There's an awful lot he's holding back...
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@rotated said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:
Hansen's reluctance to take a genuine look at Mo'unga at 10/Beaudy 15 combo last year is either total stubbornness or he is intentionally holding it back for this year.
There's an awful lot he's holding back...
@antipodean said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:
@rotated said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:
Hansen's reluctance to take a genuine look at Mo'unga at 10/Beaudy 15 combo last year is either total stubbornness or he is intentionally holding it back for this year.
There's an awful lot he's holding back...
Powder is dry as fuck
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World Cups are usually won by the team with the best 1-10 on the park with very solid team defence. But each World Cup winner has had at least one game-breaker.
1987 New Zealand: John Kirwan and John Gallagher
1991 Australia: David Campese.
1995 South Africa: Andre Joubert
1999 Australia: Stephen Larkham
2003 England: Jason Robinson
2007 South Africa: Bryan Habana
2011 New Zealand: Israel Dagg
2015 New Zealand: Nehe Milner Skudder, SBW and Beauden Barrett.@sparky said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:
World Cups are usually won by the team with the best 1-10 on the park with very solid team defence. But each World Cup winner has had at least one game-breaker.
1987 New Zealand: John Kirwan and John Gallagher
1991 Australia: David Campese.
1995 South Africa: Andre Joubert
1999 Australia: Stephen Larkham
2003 England: Jason Robinson
2007 South Africa: Bryan Habana
2011 New Zealand: Israel Dagg
2015 New Zealand: Nehe Milner Skudder, SBW and Beauden Barrett.Even if Beaudy goes down we have plenty of game breakers.
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@sparky said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:
World Cups are usually won by the team with the best 1-10 on the park with very solid team defence. But each World Cup winner has had at least one game-breaker.
1987 New Zealand: John Kirwan and John Gallagher
1991 Australia: David Campese.
1995 South Africa: Andre Joubert
1999 Australia: Stephen Larkham
2003 England: Jason Robinson
2007 South Africa: Bryan Habana
2011 New Zealand: Israel Dagg
2015 New Zealand: Nehe Milner Skudder, SBW and Beauden Barrett.Even if Beaudy goes down we have plenty of game breakers.
@hydro11 said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:
@sparky said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:
World Cups are usually won by the team with the best 1-10 on the park with very solid team defence. But each World Cup winner has had at least one game-breaker.
1987 New Zealand: John Kirwan and John Gallagher
1991 Australia: David Campese.
1995 South Africa: Andre Joubert
1999 Australia: Stephen Larkham
2003 England: Jason Robinson
2007 South Africa: Bryan Habana
2011 New Zealand: Israel Dagg
2015 New Zealand: Nehe Milner Skudder, SBW and Beauden Barrett.Even if Beaudy goes down we have plenty of game breakers.
I’m quite triggered SBW was mentioned over Nonu in 2015
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@Machpants said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:
*"Where we'll miss him most is his ability to rip teams apart. It's not so much a positional thing," says the veteran coach. "He's very much like a young Beauden. He can cover a couple of positions but he's got ability and speed to open sides up. Beauden did that job last World Cup very successfully.
"That takes the pressure off to find someone like that because we've already got someone who is world-class at it.*
I read it as Beauden too.
A tad troubling that if Beauden and McKenzie both went down Hansen would feel pressure to find another player who can "rip teams apart" rather than revert to a more conventional gameplan and work with the players available.
Obviously the game changes but looking at past RWC finalists having an enigmatic gamebreaker hardly seems a prerequisite. Discipline, good defensive patterns and superior goal/drop kicking does.
@rotated said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:
Discipline, good defensive patterns and superior goal/drop kicking does.
Yes, yes, yes and yes.
Every tourney there will be a tight game at knockout stage. For us it was SA last time, and the Froggies in 2011. You have to have the fatties and mental toughness to win those, where the score is close the whole time, and the pressure is on. That's what the 2011/2015 vintage worked so hard on - though I'll argue we choked in 2011 anyway.
The thing with rugby is that motivated physical sides are always a chance. Look at England in 2007 - they went to teh final after playing awful, awful rugby. They damn near won the thing too ... now that would have been an undeserving victory.
I'm hoping our powder's dry and not salty
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@hydro11 said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:
@sparky said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:
World Cups are usually won by the team with the best 1-10 on the park with very solid team defence. But each World Cup winner has had at least one game-breaker.
1987 New Zealand: John Kirwan and John Gallagher
1991 Australia: David Campese.
1995 South Africa: Andre Joubert
1999 Australia: Stephen Larkham
2003 England: Jason Robinson
2007 South Africa: Bryan Habana
2011 New Zealand: Israel Dagg
2015 New Zealand: Nehe Milner Skudder, SBW and Beauden Barrett.Even if Beaudy goes down we have plenty of game breakers.
I’m quite triggered SBW was mentioned over Nonu in 2015
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Nonu in the knocks out of 2011 and 2015 was so good that he had a traditional role most of time, them popped up as a game breaker too.
Think of him like a boxer who could do Orthodox and Southpaw and MMA too.
@sparky said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:
Nonu in the knocks out of 2011 and 2015 was so good that he had a traditional role most of time, them popped up as a game breaker too.
Think of him like a boxer who could do Orthodox and Southpaw and MMA too.
I hear that but this effort had "gamebreaker" written all over it.....Marshalls thoroughly professional and totally impartial commentary is a great example to his peers as well.
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@sparky said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:
Nonu in the knocks out of 2011 and 2015 was so good that he had a traditional role most of time, them popped up as a game breaker too.
Think of him like a boxer who could do Orthodox and Southpaw and MMA too.
I hear that but this effort had "gamebreaker" written all over it.....Marshalls thoroughly professional and totally impartial commentary is a great example to his peers as well.
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@hydro11 said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:
@sparky said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:
World Cups are usually won by the team with the best 1-10 on the park with very solid team defence. But each World Cup winner has had at least one game-breaker.
1987 New Zealand: John Kirwan and John Gallagher
1991 Australia: David Campese.
1995 South Africa: Andre Joubert
1999 Australia: Stephen Larkham
2003 England: Jason Robinson
2007 South Africa: Bryan Habana
2011 New Zealand: Israel Dagg
2015 New Zealand: Nehe Milner Skudder, SBW and Beauden Barrett.Even if Beaudy goes down we have plenty of game breakers.
I’m quite triggered SBW was mentioned over Nonu in 2015
