Black Caps v India
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@Damo who - Sodhi, Boult and Fergusson?
@westcoastie said in Black Caps v India:
@Damo who - Sodhi, Boult and Fergusson?
And bracewell. Boult has a test match 50 after all (I think?)
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You lot are negative nellies. Nicholls can easily get a big century and there is enough batting left to support him.
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You lot are negative nellies. Nicholls can easily get a big century and there is enough batting left to support him.
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Bracewell is the key now.
So long as the remaining batsmen can support him we're still a chance.
@Damo said in Black Caps v India:
Bracewell is the key now.
So long as the remaining batsmen can support him we're still a chance.
I love your optimism but we've been done for a while now. Indian bowling lineup is too good for our lower order, we are reliant on Guppy, Kane and Rosco going big against quality opposition. They've all failed two games in a row now.
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Bracewell has some fucking power.
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The team should have Munro OR CdG. Both is a liability.
I'll take a batsman who is good for 30 runs every time over someone who makes 50, 3, 2, 7, 10, 4, 50 every time.
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That was an outrageous shot from Boult.
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@Damo said in Black Caps v India:
Bracewell is the key now.
So long as the remaining batsmen can support him we're still a chance.
I love your optimism but we've been done for a while now. Indian bowling lineup is too good for our lower order, we are reliant on Guppy, Kane and Rosco going big against quality opposition. They've all failed two games in a row now.
@No-Quarter said in Black Caps v India:
@Damo said in Black Caps v India:
Bracewell is the key now.
So long as the remaining batsmen can support him we're still a chance.
We are reliant on Guppy, Kane and Rosco going big against quality opposition. They've all failed two games in a row now.
That's been the fundamental problem. Kane and Rossco got themselves out to a certain extent today - well, Rossco was a bit sloppy.
Guptill looked almost like he was trying to get himself out - woefully out of form.
Those three guys in particular have not done themselves close to justice, so far.
@Mokey is right about trying to play both de Grandhomme and Munro. They're both sort of "gambit" batsmen. Sloggers who will come off occasionally and virtually win the game with strike rate - but, they'll both fail (together) more often than not.
It's pretty questionable whether either should be in ODI eleven and Neesham and Bracewell look to me to be pushing CdG out - possibly out of the WC squad.
BUT, I'd be somewhat inclined to send Guptill away to get an innings in domestic cricket for the next game and open with Latham and Munro.
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@Chris-B
I think Rosco was more unlucky than sloppy. Guptill will come right as he always does, Munro has got to go though, his job is to get 40 off 30 and he can't he even do that successfully. -
Bracewell is doing himself all sorts of favours by scoring consistently. Good on him for being an actual all rounder. I'm a lot more comfy with Latham behind the stumps rather than Seifert, he got shown up as not ready for the big time just yet. if they are going to keep rotating the strike bowlers, I hope Scott K gets another go. Ferguson has good pace, but he needs tidy up his line. A LOT. And should not be bowled at the death until he has sorted this.
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@No-Quarter said in Black Caps v India:
@Damo said in Black Caps v India:
Bracewell is the key now.
So long as the remaining batsmen can support him we're still a chance.
We are reliant on Guppy, Kane and Rosco going big against quality opposition. They've all failed two games in a row now.
That's been the fundamental problem. Kane and Rossco got themselves out to a certain extent today - well, Rossco was a bit sloppy.
Guptill looked almost like he was trying to get himself out - woefully out of form.
Those three guys in particular have not done themselves close to justice, so far.
@Mokey is right about trying to play both de Grandhomme and Munro. They're both sort of "gambit" batsmen. Sloggers who will come off occasionally and virtually win the game with strike rate - but, they'll both fail (together) more often than not.
It's pretty questionable whether either should be in ODI eleven and Neesham and Bracewell look to me to be pushing CdG out - possibly out of the WC squad.
BUT, I'd be somewhat inclined to send Guptill away to get an innings in domestic cricket for the next game and open with Latham and Munro.
@Chris-B coming out of the Sri Lanka series, wasn't everyone "in-form"?
after two games, we're out of form?
we're getting exposed.Bowlers...at the moment only Fergusson and Boult should be locked in. We need wicket takers. The way ODIs have gone, wickets keep run rates down. Dibbly dobblies don't cut it.
So Southee is out, CDG = no threat
What ever happened to Mitch McClenaghan? he was a wicket taking monster for a season there.
I'm glad we picked Sodhi, he feels like a wicket-taker - at least he wasn't expensive in the scheme of things.
Bracewell I'd consider as a bowler who can bat, but then thats Neesham also.
Santner is the same, doesn't ever seem like he'll take wickets.
I wish we'd given Ajaz a go.
Could Milne come back in?Batting? Guptill, Williamson, Taylor & Latham would be locked in. Maybe Nicholls too. Right now I'd try Devcich once more, at least he can bowl too. And spin in England is apparently important.
Munro needs to score some Biiiiiiiiig 50's from here on to convince me.But geez hats off to India, they're looking strong eh?
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@Chris-B coming out of the Sri Lanka series, wasn't everyone "in-form"?
after two games, we're out of form?
we're getting exposed.Bowlers...at the moment only Fergusson and Boult should be locked in. We need wicket takers. The way ODIs have gone, wickets keep run rates down. Dibbly dobblies don't cut it.
So Southee is out, CDG = no threat
What ever happened to Mitch McClenaghan? he was a wicket taking monster for a season there.
I'm glad we picked Sodhi, he feels like a wicket-taker - at least he wasn't expensive in the scheme of things.
Bracewell I'd consider as a bowler who can bat, but then thats Neesham also.
Santner is the same, doesn't ever seem like he'll take wickets.
I wish we'd given Ajaz a go.
Could Milne come back in?Batting? Guptill, Williamson, Taylor & Latham would be locked in. Maybe Nicholls too. Right now I'd try Devcich once more, at least he can bowl too. And spin in England is apparently important.
Munro needs to score some Biiiiiiiiig 50's from here on to convince me.But geez hats off to India, they're looking strong eh?
@westcoastie said in Black Caps v India:
@Chris-B coming out of the Sri Lanka series, wasn't everyone "in-form"?
after two games, we're out of form?
we're getting exposed.Bowlers...at the moment only Fergusson and Boult should be locked in. We need wicket takers. The way ODIs have gone, wickets keep run rates down. Dibbly dobblies don't cut it.
So Southee is out, CDG = no threat
What ever happened to Mitch McClenaghan? he was a wicket taking monster for a season there.
I'm glad we picked Sodhi, he feels like a wicket-taker - at least he wasn't expensive in the scheme of things.
Bracewell I'd consider as a bowler who can bat, but then thats Neesham also.
Santner is the same, doesn't ever seem like he'll take wickets.
I wish we'd given Ajaz a go.
Could Milne come back in?Batting? Guptill, Williamson, Taylor & Latham would be locked in. Maybe Nicholls too. Right now I'd try Devcich once more, at least he can bowl too. And spin in England is apparently important.
Munro needs to score some Biiiiiiiiig 50's from here on to convince me.But geez hats off to India, they're looking strong eh?
McClenaghan basically turned his back on NZ to trundle around T20 comps. I think he was getting to be out of favour anyway. Don't think he would have made a difference today.
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@westcoastie said in Black Caps v India:
@Chris-B coming out of the Sri Lanka series, wasn't everyone "in-form"?
after two games, we're out of form?
we're getting exposed.Bowlers...at the moment only Fergusson and Boult should be locked in. We need wicket takers. The way ODIs have gone, wickets keep run rates down. Dibbly dobblies don't cut it.
So Southee is out, CDG = no threat
What ever happened to Mitch McClenaghan? he was a wicket taking monster for a season there.
I'm glad we picked Sodhi, he feels like a wicket-taker - at least he wasn't expensive in the scheme of things.
Bracewell I'd consider as a bowler who can bat, but then thats Neesham also.
Santner is the same, doesn't ever seem like he'll take wickets.
I wish we'd given Ajaz a go.
Could Milne come back in?Batting? Guptill, Williamson, Taylor & Latham would be locked in. Maybe Nicholls too. Right now I'd try Devcich once more, at least he can bowl too. And spin in England is apparently important.
Munro needs to score some Biiiiiiiiig 50's from here on to convince me.But geez hats off to India, they're looking strong eh?
McClenaghan basically turned his back on NZ to trundle around T20 comps. I think he was getting to be out of favour anyway. Don't think he would have made a difference today.
@hydro11 nah probably not, but he seems to have disappeared from the scene completely. Cricinfo said he has an average in the mid-20s for bowling. We need that.
