Black Caps v India
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@Chris-B said in Black Caps v India:
@westcoastie Possibly Neesham, which might allow de Grandhomme at 7 (those two are your fifth bowler).
Then Boult at 11 and any three of Santner, Sodhi, Ferguson, Southee, Bracewell, Henry, Milne or Astle.
@westcoastie said in Black Caps v India:
the way we've been going, Latham and Guptill to open.
the way we've been going, Latham either gets 45 overs between when he gets out and has to keep, or his work is done for the day 5 overs into the BC's batting 2nd.
the way we've been going, if Latham actually bats deep into the NZ innings, then we'd forgive him if he fluffed things once or twice while keeping.
the way we've been going, Munro is part of the problem.
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Guptill
Latham
Kane
Rossco
Nicholls
6. a batter - who?why Neesham at 6? surely we find a genuine batter at 6? along with 5 genuine bowlers?
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We need a genuine batter who can send down 5-6 overs between the 10th and 30th over to give Kane bowling options later in the innings. Funnily enough this would be Munro? but maybe Anderson? Could we give Devcich a lash?
@westcoastie said in Black Caps v India:
We need a genuine batter who can send down 5-6 overs between the 10th and 30th over to give Kane bowling options later in the innings. Funnily enough this would be Munro? but maybe Anderson? Could we give Devcich a lash?
Does anyone, ANYONE, consider Munro a genuine batsman now??
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@westcoastie You tell me who it is then!
Neesham's definitely in my team - just a question of whether he bats 6 or 7.
@Chris-B said in Black Caps v India:
@westcoastie You tell me who it is then!
Neesham's definitely in my team - just a question of whether he bats 6 or 7.
Agree. Ok how about this: Latham goes up, Nicholls to 5, Anderson and Neesham at 6 and 7 then four bowlers. If we can't get a decent total among that top 7 with some dregs from 8-11 then why bother playing the game.
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I think there are only three teams that have a realistic chance of winning the World Cup and they are India, England and Australia. I give India the edge though simply because they have the most varied and best bowling attack in world cricket. Their two leggies give them such a massive advantage over the other teams.
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@Chris-B said in Black Caps v India:
@westcoastie You tell me who it is then!
Neesham's definitely in my team - just a question of whether he bats 6 or 7.
Agree. Ok how about this: Latham goes up, Nicholls to 5, Anderson and Neesham at 6 and 7 then four bowlers. If we can't get a decent total among that top 7 with some dregs from 8-11 then why bother playing the game.
@shark said in Black Caps v India:
@Chris-B said in Black Caps v India:
@westcoastie You tell me who it is then!
Neesham's definitely in my team - just a question of whether he bats 6 or 7.
Agree. Ok how about this: Latham goes up, Nicholls to 5, Anderson and Neesham at 6 and 7 then four bowlers. If we can't get a decent total among that top 7 with some dregs from 8-11 then why bother playing the game.
Anderson and Neesham at 6 and 7 is a bad idea. Do you not remember the champions trophy?
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I think there are only three teams that have a realistic chance of winning the World Cup and they are India, England and Australia. I give India the edge though simply because they have the most varied and best bowling attack in world cricket. Their two leggies give them such a massive advantage over the other teams.
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@Chris-B said in Black Caps v India:
@westcoastie You tell me who it is then!
Neesham's definitely in my team - just a question of whether he bats 6 or 7.
Agree. Ok how about this: Latham goes up, Nicholls to 5, Anderson and Neesham at 6 and 7 then four bowlers. If we can't get a decent total among that top 7 with some dregs from 8-11 then why bother playing the game.
@shark said in Black Caps v India:
@Chris-B said in Black Caps v India:
@westcoastie You tell me who it is then!
Neesham's definitely in my team - just a question of whether he bats 6 or 7.
Agree. Ok how about this: Latham goes up, Nicholls to 5, Anderson and Neesham at 6 and 7 then four bowlers. If we can't get a decent total among that top 7 with some dregs from 8-11 then why bother playing the game.
I wouldn't mind that. It' not too dissimilar to my idea of Neesham and de Grandhomme.
Reality is that we're not going to win the CWC, but we might be able to burgle it. Probably relies on Guppy, Little Kane and Rossco playing out of their skins on a given day and ending up 320/5 - with a few lesser lights chipping in a few handy runs.
It's why I'm not really averse to having a slogger in the team. If Munro, for example, opened and scored 30 off 15, he'd have done his job (and better than Baz).
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We are still using the strategy developed by Macca and Munro is there to perform his role, getting us off to a flying start. The problem is Munro is nowhere near as good as Macca
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who's the most in-form middle order/closer type on the NZ ODI circuit. Thats our #6. Neesham at 7 seems right.
8 & 9, is Bracewell and then whoever our best spinner is. Unless we play two spinners then its no Bracewell with Santner and Sodhi there.
10 & 11 is Fergusson and Boult. -
who's the most in-form middle order/closer type on the NZ ODI circuit. Thats our #6. Neesham at 7 seems right.
8 & 9, is Bracewell and then whoever our best spinner is. Unless we play two spinners then its no Bracewell with Santner and Sodhi there.
10 & 11 is Fergusson and Boult.@westcoastie said in Black Caps v India:
who's the most in-form middle order/closer type on the NZ ODI circuit. Thats our #6. Neesham at 7 seems right.
Problem with that is that your first guy (to bat at #6) is also Neesham!
Would be great if we could wave a wand and some junior Martin Crowe would appear from domestic cricket - but, the gulf in class is so big that anyone who comes up to international level always struggles for a while - even Little Kane.
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@westcoastie said in Black Caps v India:
who's the most in-form middle order/closer type on the NZ ODI circuit. Thats our #6. Neesham at 7 seems right.
Problem with that is that your first guy (to bat at #6) is also Neesham!
Would be great if we could wave a wand and some junior Martin Crowe would appear from domestic cricket - but, the gulf in class is so big that anyone who comes up to international level always struggles for a while - even Little Kane.
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well, that was very very one sided. Congrats to India - they are rapidly becoming the dominant team in Cricket, and likely to stay dominant for a long time. Very impressed with their quality in all three facets of the game. The rest of the world will struggle to consistently beat them I suspect.
To the BC's - get better. Go away, get better, and we may have an outsider's chance in England
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If we had a fully fit unit (I mean, never gonna happen, but this is theoretical), I'd stick with my Anderson / Neesham 6/7 power hitting axis as suggested above, after Latham, Guppy, Kane, Rosco and Nicholls.
This leaves four spots for bowlers with Neesham / Anderson / Kane to share some overs. Boult is a given and I'd take a fully fit Milne over Ferguson in that express change bowler role. My other opening bowler would be Henry (record speaks for itself, he just needs games).
There is so much mixed opinion on playing two genuine spinners in England but I'd just play Sodhi as our attacking spinner.
So my 'ideal world' line-up would be Latham, Guptill, Kane, Rosco, Nicholls, Anderson, Neesham, Milne, Henry, Sodhi, Boult.
7 bowling options, batting to 7 followed by two bowlers who bat a bit (remember them both banging away against SL approx three years ago?)
Other squaddies would be Southee, Santner, Bracewell/de Grandhomme (I can't separate them!) and Seifert.
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@Chris-B even little Kane...
debut test century in India?
But your point remains, our domestic scene ain't no finishing school
@Siam said in Black Caps v India:
@Chris-B even little Kane...
debut test century in India?
But your point remains, our domestic scene ain't no finishing school
And despite that great start - after 10 tests he had a sub-30 batting average.
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If we had a fully fit unit (I mean, never gonna happen, but this is theoretical), I'd stick with my Anderson / Neesham 6/7 power hitting axis as suggested above, after Latham, Guppy, Kane, Rosco and Nicholls.
This leaves four spots for bowlers with Neesham / Anderson / Kane to share some overs. Boult is a given and I'd take a fully fit Milne over Ferguson in that express change bowler role. My other opening bowler would be Henry (record speaks for itself, he just needs games).
There is so much mixed opinion on playing two genuine spinners in England but I'd just play Sodhi as our attacking spinner.
So my 'ideal world' line-up would be Latham, Guptill, Kane, Rosco, Nicholls, Anderson, Neesham, Milne, Henry, Sodhi, Boult.
7 bowling options, batting to 7 followed by two bowlers who bat a bit (remember them both banging away against SL approx three years ago?)
Other squaddies would be Southee, Santner, Bracewell/de Grandhomme (I can't separate them!) and Seifert.
@shark I could live with your XI and XV and it won't be far away - though injuries will likely put paid to Anderson and Milne.
I'm not sold on Matt Henry, because he can't really bowl at the death, so I'd play Ferguson instead of him and have two fast options. Matt wouldn't make my XV is everyone was available.
I'd play Santner ahead of Ish, because Ish struggles to bowl six good balls in an over - plus Santner is a much better batsman.
I guess Seifert is as good as anyone as a back up keeper, but he's looked pretty ordinary with bat and gloves. Is that Craig Cachopa NZ eligible?
