The Underarm Ball
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@No-Quarter said in The Underarm Ball:
To the old buggers on here, was that incident a really big deal at the time? Or has it gained notoriety as time has gone on? (was before I was born...)
No it's diminished in importance over time.
It was HUUUGE in the day and for years after.
Now it's just another club to beat Aussies with fir being dirty cheating unethical fluffybunnies.
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Oh. Same match as the Snedden catch. Add that and DK Morrison's non LB against McDermott, and Dyer, and Langer not given first over of the summer against Cairns, and Gillespie caught leg side by Parore off Cairns at Perth, and L Cairns no ball for intimidatory bowling, and Lyon's bat flash that could have come from anywhere...
... this could go on...
Greg Matthews. Well just Greg Matthews ...
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Oh and Greg Chappell was like the personification of evil to my 8 year old self!! As for the umpires, their South African rugby counterparts would have been proud of the stitch up job they did on us that day, and the Snedden catch that wasn't even the half of it
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@booboo there's a great photo in Hadlees "rhythm and swing " showing Matthew's catching our man on the boundary with a foot squashing the rope.
No Photoshop in them days.
Matthews was pretty harmless though. He was equally strange to opposition and teammates alike
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@Siam said in The Underarm Ball:
@booboo there's a great photo in Hadlees "rhythm and swing " showing Matthew's catching our man on the boundary with a foot squashing the rope.
No Photoshop in them days.
Matthews was pretty harmless though. He was equally strange to opposition and teammates alike
That was at Eden Park. I remember that the cameras captured it all, but there was no review by the umps back then and they went on the word of the player. It was the big old 3 inch mooring rope type boundary and Matthews nearly twisted his ankle while taking, and claiming, the catch.
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@canefan said in The Underarm Ball:
Dier the Liar was another example of the Aussie win at all costs attitude
To put this in some context though, Dyer never played for Australia again. In 1978 Andy Haden still had 7 more years in the All Black jersey.
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@Crucial said in The Underarm Ball:
@Siam said in The Underarm Ball:
@booboo there's a great photo in Hadlees "rhythm and swing " showing Matthew's catching our man on the boundary with a foot squashing the rope.
No Photoshop in them days.
Matthews was pretty harmless though. He was equally strange to opposition and teammates alike
That was at Eden Park. I remember that the cameras captured it all, but there was no review by the umps back then and they went on the word of the player. It was the big old 3 inch mooring rope type boundary and Matthews nearly twisted his ankle while taking, and claiming, the catch.
Aussies. Been doing it since Adam.Also to put this in some context. The boundary rope was a new thing in 1986.
You could lean against a boundary fence and take a catch, but you couldn't stand on a boundary rope and take a catch. They didn't use a rope in Australia at that time. Even 2 years later by the 87/88 WSC there were no ropes used in Australia (remember Dipak Patel taking a boundary catch at Perth inside the fence but behind the line of the wheelie sight screen).
Why the hell Eden Park had a rope 1 foot from the boundary fence ? learner wobbles.
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@Rapido said in The Underarm Ball:
@canefan said in The Underarm Ball:
Dier the Liar was another example of the Aussie win at all costs attitude
To put this in some context though, Dyer never played for Australia again. In 1978 Andy Haden still had 7 more years in the All Black jersey.
It pains me to defend Haden but the penalty was against Geoff Wheel on Frank Oliver . I know there probably isn’t a single Welsh rugby fan that accepts that though in much the same way Irish rugby fans think Umaga and Mealamu deliberately took out BOD because he disrespected the Haka/was such a threat .
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@jegga said in The Underarm Ball:
@Rapido said in The Underarm Ball:
@canefan said in The Underarm Ball:
Dier the Liar was another example of the Aussie win at all costs attitude
To put this in some context though, Dyer never played for Australia again. In 1978 Andy Haden still had 7 more years in the All Black jersey.
It pains me to defend Haden but the penalty was against Geoff Wheel on Frank Oliver . I know there probably isn’t a single Welsh rugby fan that accepts that though in much the same way Irish rugby fans think Umaga and Mealamu deliberately took out BOD because he disrespected the Haka/was such a threat .
They both dived, Haden has admitted that. It was pre-meditated.
Oliver, and Quittenden and Haden, just have the good fortune that Wheel also used his elbow to muddy the water and allow us to rationalise the event. But, we cheated.
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@Rapido said in The Underarm Ball:
@jegga said in The Underarm Ball:
@Rapido said in The Underarm Ball:
@canefan said in The Underarm Ball:
Dier the Liar was another example of the Aussie win at all costs attitude
To put this in some context though, Dyer never played for Australia again. In 1978 Andy Haden still had 7 more years in the All Black jersey.
It pains me to defend Haden but the penalty was against Geoff Wheel on Frank Oliver . I know there probably isn’t a single Welsh rugby fan that accepts that though in much the same way Irish rugby fans think Umaga and Mealamu deliberately took out BOD because he disrespected the Haka/was such a threat .
They both dived, Haden has admitted that. It was pre-meditated.
Oliver, and Quittenden and Haden, just have the good fortune that Wheel also used his elbow. We cheated.
As the article says they thought the Welsh had been cheating their arses off in the lineout and getting away with it . Then they got called on it and it cost them the game.
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@jegga said in The Underarm Ball:
@Rapido said in The Underarm Ball:
@jegga said in The Underarm Ball:
@Rapido said in The Underarm Ball:
@canefan said in The Underarm Ball:
Dier the Liar was another example of the Aussie win at all costs attitude
To put this in some context though, Dyer never played for Australia again. In 1978 Andy Haden still had 7 more years in the All Black jersey.
It pains me to defend Haden but the penalty was against Geoff Wheel on Frank Oliver . I know there probably isn’t a single Welsh rugby fan that accepts that though in much the same way Irish rugby fans think Umaga and Mealamu deliberately took out BOD because he disrespected the Haka/was such a threat .
They both dived, Haden has admitted that. It was pre-meditated.
Oliver, and Quittenden and Haden, just have the good fortune that Wheel also used his elbow. We cheated.
As the article says they thought the Welsh had been cheating their arses off in the lineout and getting away with it . Then they got called on it and it cost them the game.
Does the article mention how they practiced it before the match?
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@Rapido said in The Underarm Ball:
@jegga said in The Underarm Ball:
@Rapido said in The Underarm Ball:
@jegga said in The Underarm Ball:
@Rapido said in The Underarm Ball:
@canefan said in The Underarm Ball:
Dier the Liar was another example of the Aussie win at all costs attitude
To put this in some context though, Dyer never played for Australia again. In 1978 Andy Haden still had 7 more years in the All Black jersey.
It pains me to defend Haden but the penalty was against Geoff Wheel on Frank Oliver . I know there probably isn’t a single Welsh rugby fan that accepts that though in much the same way Irish rugby fans think Umaga and Mealamu deliberately took out BOD because he disrespected the Haka/was such a threat .
They both dived, Haden has admitted that. It was pre-meditated.
Oliver, and Quittenden and Haden, just have the good fortune that Wheel also used his elbow. We cheated.
As the article says they thought the Welsh had been cheating their arses off in the lineout and getting away with it . Then they got called on it and it cost them the game.
Does the article mention how they practiced it before the match?
Yep . There’s a longer article about how they got it from a Taranaki coach who used it to penalise King Country out of a game in Pinetree last game against them . I’ll see if I can find it , it’s a decent read.
Found it. The one armed ref was also the black caps bus driver, Andrew Jones used to tell a story about almost shitting himself looking over the bus drivers shoulder to see he was rolling a cigarette with his only hand while steering the bus with his knees through the mount vic tunnel
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=10353789
