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  • Dan54D Offline
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    Dan54
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    #291

    Well I quite happy with idea of it. It pretty obvious from reading the press release RC will supply the 2 invitation teams, so Japan and Fiji probably. until 2030. The best thing is teams that travel in the July wondow etc will be coming with close to full strength teams etc.
    I will add those that are aginst mandatory rest weeks for test players maybe disappointed, as teams will have to hit ground running early . Also see the likes of Tonga, Samoa becoming pretty poulay as warm up games for SH teams, so a bonus there for those countries?
    And to those that say cash cow etc, probably, but would they prefer that rugby didn't try and get more money to develop game?
    And reading the article posted above why would Georgia not play a top tier nation maore tha once every 4 years, surely they will be very poular warm up games for 6N teams as they are now, and after 2030 hopefully they maybe good enough to earn promotion. If WR get tier 2 comp going as proposed isn't that good? Georgia,US,Canade,Tonga, Samoa with comps that have reason. As I say it seems first thing to do is look for negatives, I will look at positives, and think it a good starting point.

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    • CatograndeC Catogrande

      Too much of the sane old, same old. No real incentive or opportunity for the Tier 2 countries save possibly Japan an Fiji/other PI.

      Cash cow. Nothing more.

      Embarrassing.

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      DaGrubster
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      @Catogrande

      It adds structure, meaning, more money for unions.

      Will be interesting if this competition becomes the way for WR to confirm qualification and seeding for future world cups.

      I don’t mind the comp, although it will change TRC to a 6 team comp and mirror the home and away aspect of it in alternate years.

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        DaGrubster
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        #293

        Georgia are the obvious losers here if there is no relegation/promotion.

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        • Dan54D Dan54

          Well I quite happy with idea of it. It pretty obvious from reading the press release RC will supply the 2 invitation teams, so Japan and Fiji probably. until 2030. The best thing is teams that travel in the July wondow etc will be coming with close to full strength teams etc.
          I will add those that are aginst mandatory rest weeks for test players maybe disappointed, as teams will have to hit ground running early . Also see the likes of Tonga, Samoa becoming pretty poulay as warm up games for SH teams, so a bonus there for those countries?
          And to those that say cash cow etc, probably, but would they prefer that rugby didn't try and get more money to develop game?
          And reading the article posted above why would Georgia not play a top tier nation maore tha once every 4 years, surely they will be very poular warm up games for 6N teams as they are now, and after 2030 hopefully they maybe good enough to earn promotion. If WR get tier 2 comp going as proposed isn't that good? Georgia,US,Canade,Tonga, Samoa with comps that have reason. As I say it seems first thing to do is look for negatives, I will look at positives, and think it a good starting point.

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          MiketheSnow
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          #294

          @Dan54 said in Six Nations, SANZAAR New tournaments in 2026:

          Well I quite happy with idea of it. It pretty obvious from reading the press release RC will supply the 2 invitation teams, so Japan and Fiji probably. until 2030. The best thing is teams that travel in the July wondow etc will be coming with close to full strength teams etc.
          I will add those that are aginst mandatory rest weeks for test players maybe disappointed, as teams will have to hit ground running early . Also see the likes of Tonga, Samoa becoming pretty poulay as warm up games for SH teams, so a bonus there for those countries?
          And to those that say cash cow etc, probably, but would they prefer that rugby didn't try and get more money to develop game?
          And reading the article posted above why would Georgia not play a top tier nation maore tha once every 4 years, surely they will be very poular warm up games for 6N teams as they are now, and after 2030 hopefully they maybe good enough to earn promotion. If WR get tier 2 comp going as proposed isn't that good? Georgia,US,Canade,Tonga, Samoa with comps that have reason. As I say it seems first thing to do is look for negatives, I will look at positives, and think it a good starting point.

          Not guilty

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            SBW1
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            Two Cents gives his views and an overview on this. He sees it as a mini World Cup which possibly dilutes it's value and isn't great for Tier 2 nations getting game time with Tier 1 nations.

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            • RapidoR Offline
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              Rapido
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              #296

              Hmmm

              So, basically, taking the existing 2 x 3 week windows - and getting the 6 hosts from each respective 'hemispheres' to play the visiting 6.

              This means there is zero, nil, zip, space for e.g. Georgia to get a game as a warmup. Assuming they are left out of the invitation 2. Ditto for whoever the other unlucky 11 to 13ish ranked are. Samoa and Tonga, assuming Japan and Fiji are in.

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                Rapido
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                #297

                Wait. Actually, how does the comp work without adding the 2 'invitations' to the TRC?

                It cant be an everyone plays everyone league.

                Would have to be a 2 pools of 6. With a grand final.

                That would mean a 6 v 6, in 3 out of the 6 international window weekends. Possibly leaving 3 weeks for others. Unless the grand final is one of those weeks. What would the other 10 teams do on grand final weekend? Play 3rd v 4th, 5th v 6th etc etc .

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                • RapidoR Rapido

                  Wait. Actually, how does the comp work without adding the 2 'invitations' to the TRC?

                  It cant be an everyone plays everyone league.

                  Would have to be a 2 pools of 6. With a grand final.

                  That would mean a 6 v 6, in 3 out of the 6 international window weekends. Possibly leaving 3 weeks for others. Unless the grand final is one of those weeks. What would the other 10 teams do on grand final weekend? Play 3rd v 4th, 5th v 6th etc etc .

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                  Dan54
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                  @Rapido said in Six Nations, SANZAAR New tournaments in 2026:

                  Wait. Actually, how does the comp work without adding the 2 'invitations' to the TRC?

                  It cant be an everyone plays everyone league.

                  Would have to be a 2 pools of 6. With a grand final.

                  That would mean a 6 v 6, in 3 out of the 6 international window weekends. Possibly leaving 3 weeks for others. Unless the grand final is one of those weeks. What would the other 10 teams do on grand final weekend? Play 3rd v 4th, 5th v 6th etc etc .

                  Doesn't have to be a 6 v 6, as all SH teams would play in RC (one round) plus say Japan and Fiji, then NH teams would play 3 teams in july, and then alternate in Nov internationals? So baiscally you have to lots of 3 weeks outside the RC or 6Ns.

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                  • Dan54D Dan54

                    @Rapido said in Six Nations, SANZAAR New tournaments in 2026:

                    Wait. Actually, how does the comp work without adding the 2 'invitations' to the TRC?

                    It cant be an everyone plays everyone league.

                    Would have to be a 2 pools of 6. With a grand final.

                    That would mean a 6 v 6, in 3 out of the 6 international window weekends. Possibly leaving 3 weeks for others. Unless the grand final is one of those weeks. What would the other 10 teams do on grand final weekend? Play 3rd v 4th, 5th v 6th etc etc .

                    Doesn't have to be a 6 v 6, as all SH teams would play in RC (one round) plus say Japan and Fiji, then NH teams would play 3 teams in july, and then alternate in Nov internationals? So baiscally you have to lots of 3 weeks outside the RC or 6Ns.

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                    @Dan54 said in Six Nations, SANZAAR New tournaments in 2026:

                    @Rapido said in Six Nations, SANZAAR New tournaments in 2026:

                    Wait. Actually, how does the comp work without adding the 2 'invitations' to the TRC?

                    It cant be an everyone plays everyone league.

                    Would have to be a 2 pools of 6. With a grand final.

                    That would mean a 6 v 6, in 3 out of the 6 international window weekends. Possibly leaving 3 weeks for others. Unless the grand final is one of those weeks. What would the other 10 teams do on grand final weekend? Play 3rd v 4th, 5th v 6th etc etc .

                    Doesn't have to be a 6 v 6, as all SH teams would play in RC (one round) plus say Japan and Fiji, then NH teams would play 3 teams in july, and then alternate in Nov internationals? So baiscally you have to lots of 3 weeks outside the RC or 6Ns.

                    Sorry, what?

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                    • MiketheSnowM Offline
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                      MiketheSnow
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                      Scrap it now

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                      • RapidoR Rapido

                        @Dan54 said in Six Nations, SANZAAR New tournaments in 2026:

                        @Rapido said in Six Nations, SANZAAR New tournaments in 2026:

                        Wait. Actually, how does the comp work without adding the 2 'invitations' to the TRC?

                        It cant be an everyone plays everyone league.

                        Would have to be a 2 pools of 6. With a grand final.

                        That would mean a 6 v 6, in 3 out of the 6 international window weekends. Possibly leaving 3 weeks for others. Unless the grand final is one of those weeks. What would the other 10 teams do on grand final weekend? Play 3rd v 4th, 5th v 6th etc etc .

                        Doesn't have to be a 6 v 6, as all SH teams would play in RC (one round) plus say Japan and Fiji, then NH teams would play 3 teams in july, and then alternate in Nov internationals? So baiscally you have to lots of 3 weeks outside the RC or 6Ns.

                        Sorry, what?

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                        Dan54
                        wrote on last edited by Dan54
                        #301

                        @Rapido said in Six Nations, SANZAAR New tournaments in 2026:

                        @Dan54 said in Six Nations, SANZAAR New tournaments in 2026:

                        @Rapido said in Six Nations, SANZAAR New tournaments in 2026:

                        Wait. Actually, how does the comp work without adding the 2 'invitations' to the TRC?

                        It cant be an everyone plays everyone league.

                        Would have to be a 2 pools of 6. With a grand final.

                        That would mean a 6 v 6, in 3 out of the 6 international window weekends. Possibly leaving 3 weeks for others. Unless the grand final is one of those weeks. What would the other 10 teams do on grand final weekend? Play 3rd v 4th, 5th v 6th etc etc .

                        Doesn't have to be a 6 v 6, as all SH teams would play in RC (one round) plus say Japan and Fiji, then NH teams would play 3 teams in july, and then alternate in Nov internationals? So baiscally you have to lots of 3 weeks outside the RC or 6Ns.

                        Sorry, what?

                        Lol I thought it was pretty simple mate, wasn't I clear enough in my explanation?

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                        • Dan54D Dan54

                          @Rapido said in Six Nations, SANZAAR New tournaments in 2026:

                          @Dan54 said in Six Nations, SANZAAR New tournaments in 2026:

                          @Rapido said in Six Nations, SANZAAR New tournaments in 2026:

                          Wait. Actually, how does the comp work without adding the 2 'invitations' to the TRC?

                          It cant be an everyone plays everyone league.

                          Would have to be a 2 pools of 6. With a grand final.

                          That would mean a 6 v 6, in 3 out of the 6 international window weekends. Possibly leaving 3 weeks for others. Unless the grand final is one of those weeks. What would the other 10 teams do on grand final weekend? Play 3rd v 4th, 5th v 6th etc etc .

                          Doesn't have to be a 6 v 6, as all SH teams would play in RC (one round) plus say Japan and Fiji, then NH teams would play 3 teams in july, and then alternate in Nov internationals? So baiscally you have to lots of 3 weeks outside the RC or 6Ns.

                          Sorry, what?

                          Lol I thought it was pretty simple mate, wasn't I clear enough in my explanation?

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                          Stargazer
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                          @Dan54 You lost me with that last sentence.

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                            So while it's run by Sanzaar and the Six Nations, the results of those competitions don't actually have anything to do with the new league.

                            Instead, over the two international windows, the 12 teams will be split into two pools, North and South, and the final ranking at the end of the year will be determined by how you perform in your six matches against the teams from the other pool.

                            It's a bit like the fool-proof system they used during Super Rugby Trans- Ta$man.

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                              So while it's run by Sanzaar and the Six Nations, the results of those competitions don't actually have anything to do with the new league.

                              Instead, over the two international windows, the 12 teams will be split into two pools, North and South, and the final ranking at the end of the year will be determined by how you perform in your six matches against the teams from the other pool.

                              It's a bit like the fool-proof system they used during Super Rugby Trans- Ta$man.

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                              Winger
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                              @Mr-Fish

                              Looking just at the 6 nations. Maybe they will play 5 teams in the 6 nations. The other 6 teams will be played in 2 lots of three. Three in the SH and three later in the yr in the NH. Maybe the top 4 teams will then play the semi and final after the NH games

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                                Was this really the best they could come up with? Disappointingly unimaginative and lacking ambition. Really just an attempt to hang onto the status quo.

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                                  SBW1
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                                  Sounds like a grab for cash. Don't like the way it may dilute the World Cup, it is a pretty big deal hosting a Rugby World Cup and Australia hosting it in 2027 won't be too happy if the integrity of their tournament is affected. Hopefully more thought is put into it.

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                                  • WingerW Winger

                                    @Mr-Fish

                                    Looking just at the 6 nations. Maybe they will play 5 teams in the 6 nations. The other 6 teams will be played in 2 lots of three. Three in the SH and three later in the yr in the NH. Maybe the top 4 teams will then play the semi and final after the NH games

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                                    @Winger said in Six Nations, SANZAAR New tournaments in 2026:

                                    @Mr-Fish

                                    Looking just at the 6 nations. Maybe they will play 5 teams in the 6 nations. The other 6 teams will be played in 2 lots of three. Three in the SH and three later in the yr in the NH. Maybe the top 4 teams will then play the semi and final after the NH games

                                    No, Six Nations games aren't counted - the only games that are counted are the cross-Hemisphere games in July and November. There's then likely to be a final game played at the end of November between the top two ranked sides (though unclear if this will be just one per hemisphere).

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                                      Was this really the best they could come up with? Disappointingly unimaginative and lacking ambition. Really just an attempt to hang onto the status quo.

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                                      Victor Meldrew
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                                      @sparky said in Six Nations, SANZAAR New tournaments in 2026:

                                      Was this really the best they could come up with? Disappointingly unimaginative and lacking ambition. Really just an attempt to hang onto the status quo.

                                      I dunno. I think we all agree there has to be a (better) way to get up-and-coming teams into the top tier and the 6N's and TRC structure makes that hard to do - if not politically impossible.

                                      This isn't perfect, but at least provides that opportunity via promotion/relegation from a distinct 2nd tier competition. Agree with some of the critics that a few tweaks around the invitational teams and timescales would improve things though.

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                                        Juses fucking christ.
                                        The lack of comprehension of the proposal... fucking spectacular.
                                        I was about to start copy/pasting posts and explaining what was wrong with them, but... drunk, tired, and there's just so fucking MANY.
                                        And NO - that's not the fault of WR... that's YOUR fucking comprehension skills. ie: ...

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                                          Juses fucking christ.
                                          The lack of comprehension of the proposal... fucking spectacular.
                                          I was about to start copy/pasting posts and explaining what was wrong with them, but... drunk, tired, and there's just so fucking MANY.
                                          And NO - that's not the fault of WR... that's YOUR fucking comprehension skills. ie: ...

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                                          @Kruse said in Six Nations, SANZAAR New tournaments in 2026:

                                          ie: ...

                                          The suspense

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