2019 Cricket ODI WC
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@KiwiPie said in 2019 Cricket ODI WC:
I reckon it is going to be one of England, Australia or India with the West Indies next in the rankings. I really don't think this NZ team is good enough, batting too reliant on KW and RT (who aren't going to reach a 350+ score) and bowling too reliant on Boult with the new ball.
What KP said
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Think the whole CWC has been a bit of a damp (literally) grey squib so far.
We've seen two games which have effectively each been a non-contest, and no side really getting their teeth into a game.
The weather hasn't come to the party either it has been a little damp, grey and changeable - although that is set to change tomorrow thsnkfully, when we rock up to the crease. It is supposed to be sunny and bright at about 22 degrees, just right, so lets hope the Black Caps get their groove on!@Jailbreak7 said in 2019 Cricket ODI WC:
Think the whole CWC has been a bit of a damp (literally) grey squib so far.
We've seen two games which have effectively each been a non-contest, and no side really getting their teeth into a game.
The weather hasn't come to the party either it has been a little damp, grey and changeable - although that is set to change tomorrow thsnkfully, when we rock up to the crease. It is supposed to be sunny and bright at about 22 degrees, just right, so lets hope the Black Caps get their groove on!The sunny and bright has appeared in London today (meant to hit 25) but Cardiff will have some cloud and peak briefly in the low 20s.
Damp, grey and changeable is what to expect as the norm in England although the sun does peek through every now and then -
Afghanistan108 - for 5 (28.1 overs). As the T-shirt says, I support two teams New Zealand and anyone playing Australia.
Whats c'mon in Dari and Pashto?
Amazing to have Afghanistan at the Cricket World Cup. Until 2000 the Taliban would cut your hand off if you were found playing the game.
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@KiwiPie Looking a bit that way at present. Windies have put down two impressive markers.
We really need to do our thing of beating all of the teams we should and then winning a couple that we shouldn't.
We really need Guppy to strike one of his veins of form and blast a few big hundreds and our lower middle order to play out of their skins - Neesham, CdG and Santner.
But our bowling - other than Boult - is a bit shit.
2019 Boult > 2015 Boult (Probably)
But,
2019 Southee < 2015 Southee
Santner/Sodhi < Vettori
Ferguson < Milne
Neesham/CdG < AndersonIf Boult doesn't get wickets I'm not sure who's going to be able to put the brakes on. Santner? Lockie?
@Chris-B said in 2019 Cricket ODI WC:
2019 Boult > 2015 Boult (Probably)
But,
2019 Southee < 2015 Southee
Santner/Sodhi < Vettori
Ferguson < Milne
Neesham/CdG < Anderson2019 Tournament Format > 2015 Tournament Format for a team like NZ.
As we have seen in the RWC anyone can beat anyone on their day, but turning out three quality performances under pressure against good sides is bloody difficult for most teams. As good as the 2015 side was (not the best CWC side we've had but top three for sure) I thought the format was going to be impossible for them to conquer.
This year the format all the heavy lifting is getting to the top 4. If they manage to make it between Guppy, Williamson and Taylor if the stars align we can get two quality totals while Boult takes early wickets.
Historically for all the unusually cruel luck we've had in semi-finals, quarter-finals and effective elimination games (with the bad luck usually occurring at the change of innings) we have had impeccable luck getting out of the pool stages.
For those reasons I give this team a better chance to win the whole thing than last time, but that chance is not high.
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@Chris-B said in 2019 Cricket ODI WC:
2019 Boult > 2015 Boult (Probably)
But,
2019 Southee < 2015 Southee
Santner/Sodhi < Vettori
Ferguson < Milne
Neesham/CdG < Anderson2019 Tournament Format > 2015 Tournament Format for a team like NZ.
As we have seen in the RWC anyone can beat anyone on their day, but turning out three quality performances under pressure against good sides is bloody difficult for most teams. As good as the 2015 side was (not the best CWC side we've had but top three for sure) I thought the format was going to be impossible for them to conquer.
This year the format all the heavy lifting is getting to the top 4. If they manage to make it between Guppy, Williamson and Taylor if the stars align we can get two quality totals while Boult takes early wickets.
Historically for all the unusually cruel luck we've had in semi-finals, quarter-finals and effective elimination games (with the bad luck usually occurring at the change of innings) we have had impeccable luck getting out of the pool stages.
For those reasons I give this team a better chance to win the whole thing than last time, but that chance is not high.
@rotated said in 2019 Cricket ODI WC:
@Chris-B said in 2019 Cricket ODI WC:
2019 Boult > 2015 Boult (Probably)
But,
2019 Southee < 2015 Southee
Santner/Sodhi < Vettori
Ferguson < Milne
Neesham/CdG < Anderson2019 Tournament Format > 2015 Tournament Format for a team like NZ.
As we have seen in the RWC anyone can beat anyone on their day, but turning out three quality performances under pressure against good sides is bloody difficult for most teams. As good as the 2015 side was (not the best CWC side we've had but top three for sure) I thought the format was going to be impossible for them to conquer.
This year the format all the heavy lifting is getting to the top 4. If they manage to make it between Guppy, Williamson and Taylor if the stars align we can get two quality totals while Boult takes early wickets.
Historically for all the unusually cruel luck we've had in semi-finals, quarter-finals and effective elimination games (with the bad luck usually occurring at the change of innings) we have had impeccable luck getting out of the pool stages.
For those reasons I give this team a better chance to win the whole thing than last time, but that chance is not high.
Not really any difference. Last time we came first and had a very poor West Indies team in the quarters. We had a 90% chance of winning that game.
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@KiwiPie Looking a bit that way at present. Windies have put down two impressive markers.
We really need to do our thing of beating all of the teams we should and then winning a couple that we shouldn't.
We really need Guppy to strike one of his veins of form and blast a few big hundreds and our lower middle order to play out of their skins - Neesham, CdG and Santner.
But our bowling - other than Boult - is a bit shit.
2019 Boult > 2015 Boult (Probably)
But,
2019 Southee < 2015 Southee
Santner/Sodhi < Vettori
Ferguson < Milne
Neesham/CdG < AndersonIf Boult doesn't get wickets I'm not sure who's going to be able to put the brakes on. Santner? Lockie?
@Chris-B said in 2019 Cricket ODI WC:
@KiwiPie Looking a bit that way at present. Windies have put down two impressive markers.
We really need to do our thing of beating all of the teams we should and then winning a couple that we shouldn't.
We really need Guppy to strike one of his veins of form and blast a few big hundreds and our lower middle order to play out of their skins - Neesham, CdG and Santner.
But our bowling - other than Boult - is a bit shit.
2019 Boult > 2015 Boult (Probably)
But,
2019 Southee < 2015 Southee
Santner/Sodhi < Vettori
Ferguson < Milne
Neesham/CdG < AndersonIf Boult doesn't get wickets I'm not sure who's going to be able to put the brakes on. Santner? Lockie?
Milne was hopelessly overrated. He averaged close to 40 and wasn't even very economical. He just couldn't take wickets. Ferguson occasionally goes for tap but is a much better wicket taker. Milne shouldn't have been in the team 4 years ago He was just liked because he was quick.
Vettori four years ago was a bowler you could just see off. He wasn't that useful because four years ago, it was all about attacking at the death. Vettori may be more useful now as it is about sustained attacking.
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Timmy has supposedly got a calf niggle and seems unlikely to play- so Matt Henry will get a reprieve.
Articles also saying Nicholls is in some doubt and Munro may open. That option doesn't surprise me, but it smacks of wishful thinking. Big danger is that Munro performs like a gun in our first three games against probably the three weakest teams - uses up those opportunities for Nicholls to find some form - and then fails against the big boys.
If Nicholls is unavailable then I really want Latham opening and Blundell wearing the gloves.
@Chris-B said in 2019 Cricket ODI WC:
Timmy has supposedly got a calf niggle and seems unlikely to play- so Matt Henry will get a reprieve.
Articles also saying Nicholls is in some doubt and Munro may openSeemed to work out Ok...
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@rotated said in 2019 Cricket ODI WC:
@Chris-B said in 2019 Cricket ODI WC:
2019 Boult > 2015 Boult (Probably)
But,
2019 Southee < 2015 Southee
Santner/Sodhi < Vettori
Ferguson < Milne
Neesham/CdG < Anderson2019 Tournament Format > 2015 Tournament Format for a team like NZ.
As we have seen in the RWC anyone can beat anyone on their day, but turning out three quality performances under pressure against good sides is bloody difficult for most teams. As good as the 2015 side was (not the best CWC side we've had but top three for sure) I thought the format was going to be impossible for them to conquer.
This year the format all the heavy lifting is getting to the top 4. If they manage to make it between Guppy, Williamson and Taylor if the stars align we can get two quality totals while Boult takes early wickets.
Historically for all the unusually cruel luck we've had in semi-finals, quarter-finals and effective elimination games (with the bad luck usually occurring at the change of innings) we have had impeccable luck getting out of the pool stages.
For those reasons I give this team a better chance to win the whole thing than last time, but that chance is not high.
Not really any difference. Last time we came first and had a very poor West Indies team in the quarters. We had a 90% chance of winning that game.
@hydro11 said in 2019 Cricket ODI WC:
Not really any difference. Last time we came first and had a very poor West Indies team in the quarters. We had a 90% chance of winning that game.
Going into that tournament I think even the most ambitious Black Caps fan would have had them being top seed and getting the 1 v 8 match up. Any other result and it was a much more difficult path.
Going into this tournament would you rather finish top four and be rewarded with being two games away from winning the tournament or have to finish top of the table and be rewarded with three games to win the tournament with the first easier than most, but still loseable?
Obviously it depends how the competition breaks, but if you look at 1992 Pakistan played incredibly average cricket in the pool stages, backdoored into the semi finals due to rain and then put together one and a half good games and won the whole thing.
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@hydro11 said in 2019 Cricket ODI WC:
Not really any difference. Last time we came first and had a very poor West Indies team in the quarters. We had a 90% chance of winning that game.
Going into that tournament I think even the most ambitious Black Caps fan would have had them being top seed and getting the 1 v 8 match up. Any other result and it was a much more difficult path.
Going into this tournament would you rather finish top four and be rewarded with being two games away from winning the tournament or have to finish top of the table and be rewarded with three games to win the tournament with the first easier than most, but still loseable?
Obviously it depends how the competition breaks, but if you look at 1992 Pakistan played incredibly average cricket in the pool stages, backdoored into the semi finals due to rain and then put together one and a half good games and won the whole thing.
@rotated said in 2019 Cricket ODI WC:
@hydro11 said in 2019 Cricket ODI WC:
Not really any difference. Last time we came first and had a very poor West Indies team in the quarters. We had a 90% chance of winning that game.
Going into that tournament I think even the most ambitious Black Caps fan would have had them being top seed and getting the 1 v 8 match up. Any other result and it was a much more difficult path.
Going into this tournament would you rather finish top four and be rewarded with being two games away from winning the tournament or have to finish top of the table and be rewarded with three games to win the tournament with the first easier than most, but still loseable?
Obviously it depends how the competition breaks, but if you look at 1992 Pakistan played incredibly average cricket in the pool stages, backdoored into the semi finals due to rain and then put together one and a half good games and won the whole thing.
But that's only if you finish first on the table, which we are unlikely to ever do. There have been lots of similar formats in the past. When it was the super sixes we basically always made the semis and then copped the loss there. Our problem is actually winning the semis when we get there.
Whatever advantage we gain from not having to play a quarter final will be lost by it being much less likely for us to make the knockout stages.
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@hydro11 said in 2019 Cricket ODI WC:
Not really any difference. Last time we came first and had a very poor West Indies team in the quarters. We had a 90% chance of winning that game.
Going into that tournament I think even the most ambitious Black Caps fan would have had them being top seed and getting the 1 v 8 match up. Any other result and it was a much more difficult path.
Going into this tournament would you rather finish top four and be rewarded with being two games away from winning the tournament or have to finish top of the table and be rewarded with three games to win the tournament with the first easier than most, but still loseable?
Obviously it depends how the competition breaks, but if you look at 1992 Pakistan played incredibly average cricket in the pool stages, backdoored into the semi finals due to rain and then put together one and a half good games and won the whole thing.
@rotated said in 2019 Cricket ODI WC:
@hydro11 said in 2019 Cricket ODI WC:
Not really any difference. Last time we came first and had a very poor West Indies team in the quarters. We had a 90% chance of winning that game.
Going into that tournament I think even the most ambitious Black Caps fan would have had them being top seed and getting the 1 v 8 match up. Any other result and it was a much more difficult path.
Going into this tournament would you rather finish top four and be rewarded with being two games away from winning the tournament or have to finish top of the table and be rewarded with three games to win the tournament with the first easier than most, but still loseable?
Obviously it depends how the competition breaks, but if you look at 1992 Pakistan played incredibly average cricket in the pool stages, backdoored into the semi finals due to rain and then put together one and a half good games and won the whole thing.
Yeah I have no idea how Pakistan managed to win. Obviously a couple of legends in Miandad and Imran Khan and Inzamam ul haq going nuts with 60 off 30 odd against us which was almost unheard of in those days. They timed things beautifully.
Fuck I loved that tourny and Crowes batting and captaincy. So out of the blue considering England had wasted us only a couple of months prior.
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Watching NZ go so well in pool play , I went out and brought Tix to the final ,
Was spewing when we lost to Pakistan , but went to the final anyway
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@rotated said in 2019 Cricket ODI WC:
@hydro11 said in 2019 Cricket ODI WC:
Not really any difference. Last time we came first and had a very poor West Indies team in the quarters. We had a 90% chance of winning that game.
Going into that tournament I think even the most ambitious Black Caps fan would have had them being top seed and getting the 1 v 8 match up. Any other result and it was a much more difficult path.
Going into this tournament would you rather finish top four and be rewarded with being two games away from winning the tournament or have to finish top of the table and be rewarded with three games to win the tournament with the first easier than most, but still loseable?
Obviously it depends how the competition breaks, but if you look at 1992 Pakistan played incredibly average cricket in the pool stages, backdoored into the semi finals due to rain and then put together one and a half good games and won the whole thing.
Yeah I have no idea how Pakistan managed to win. Obviously a couple of legends in Miandad and Imran Khan and Inzamam ul haq going nuts with 60 off 30 odd against us which was almost unheard of in those days. They timed things beautifully.
Fuck I loved that tourny and Crowes batting and captaincy. So out of the blue considering England had wasted us only a couple of months prior.
@MN5 said in 2019 Cricket ODI WC:
@rotated said in 2019 Cricket ODI WC:
@hydro11 said in 2019 Cricket ODI WC:
Not really any difference. Last time we came first and had a very poor West Indies team in the quarters. We had a 90% chance of winning that game.
Going into that tournament I think even the most ambitious Black Caps fan would have had them being top seed and getting the 1 v 8 match up. Any other result and it was a much more difficult path.
Going into this tournament would you rather finish top four and be rewarded with being two games away from winning the tournament or have to finish top of the table and be rewarded with three games to win the tournament with the first easier than most, but still loseable?
Obviously it depends how the competition breaks, but if you look at 1992 Pakistan played incredibly average cricket in the pool stages, backdoored into the semi finals due to rain and then put together one and a half good games and won the whole thing.
Yeah I have no idea how Pakistan managed to win. Obviously a couple of legends in Miandad and Imran Khan and Inzamam ul haq going nuts with 60 off 30 odd against us which was almost unheard of in those days. They timed things beautifully.
Fuck I loved that tourny and Crowes batting and captaincy. So out of the blue considering England had wasted us only a couple of months prior.
I recall we were on top until Inzi took it away from us
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@mikedogz said in 2019 Cricket ODI WC:
That is quite funny.
I also had to crack up a bit at Justin Langer pleading with people not to boo them. Very ironic given Aussie cricketers and fans shitcunt behaviour over the years.
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The aussies just don't seem to have any idea about who they want to be. Outwardly they say they want to play in 'the spirit' and comparisons are made to us, but they seem to think that just saying that means everyone should respect them in the same way they do us.
But actually it needs sustained and real change before people believe that stuff, and until we believe them they need to take the high road, laugh off everyone else's sledges and people's opinions will start to change.
But deep down they don't want to do that. They're 'straya! Fuck every one else, they're losers, we're gonna smash ya. Except Mr Warner can't face the music when he's getting smashed and turns into a little bitch.
I've forgotten my point now, just like the Australian cricket team.
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The aussies just don't seem to have any idea about who they want to be. Outwardly they say they want to play in 'the spirit' and comparisons are made to us, but they seem to think that just saying that means everyone should respect them in the same way they do us.
But actually it needs sustained and real change before people believe that stuff, and until we believe them they need to take the high road, laugh off everyone else's sledges and people's opinions will start to change.
But deep down they don't want to do that. They're 'straya! Fuck every one else, they're losers, we're gonna smash ya. Except Mr Warner can't face the music when he's getting smashed and turns into a little bitch.
I've forgotten my point now, just like the Australian cricket team.
@Cyclops said in 2019 Cricket ODI WC:
The aussies just don't seem to have any idea about who they want to be. Outwardly they say they want to play in 'the spirit' and comparisons are made to us, but they seem to think that just saying that means everyone should respect them in the same way they do us.
I think they genuinely tried to play in the right spirit under Mark Taylor & Steve Waugh.
Seemed to fade away quite quickly under Ponting once Oz started losing.
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@Cyclops said in 2019 Cricket ODI WC:
The aussies just don't seem to have any idea about who they want to be. Outwardly they say they want to play in 'the spirit' and comparisons are made to us, but they seem to think that just saying that means everyone should respect them in the same way they do us.
I think they genuinely tried to play in the right spirit under Mark Taylor & Steve Waugh.
Seemed to fade away quite quickly under Ponting once Oz started losing.
@Victor-Meldrew said in 2019 Cricket ODI WC:
Seemed to fade away quite quickly under Ponting once Oz started losing.
Agreed, Ponting was a cock at times. Clarke was worse (except the Jimmy Anderson "broken fucken arm" thing - because Anderson was as big a cock)
Still
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@Victor-Meldrew said in 2019 Cricket ODI WC:
Seemed to fade away quite quickly under Ponting once Oz started losing.
Agreed, Ponting was a cock at times. Clarke was worse (except the Jimmy Anderson "broken fucken arm" thing - because Anderson was as big a cock)
Still
@NTA said in 2019 Cricket ODI WC:
Agreed, Ponting was a cock at times
A tale of two captains.
Mark Taylor, struggling for form, gets a genuine standing ovation from the Edgebaston crowd when he finally managed a 50 .....
...and Ponting gets booed when he got a ton at Lords.
