Carl Hayman convicted of domestic abuse
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https://www.rugbypass.com/news/carl-hayman-former-all-black-great-convicted-of-domestic-violence/
At least he didn't blame it on the drink. But suspended sentence seems pretty light considering the details.
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What a prick , must be fucking terrifying for a chick to have a guy that size give you a hiding .
@jegga said in Carl Hayman convicted of domestic abuse:
What a prick , must be fucking terrifying for a chick to have a guy that size give you a hiding .
Yep fuckwit alright. Probably a case of a guy not playing anymore and needing an outlet for his aggression but there’s Martial arts and boxing gyms for that Carl....
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He was in an altercation with several players he was coaching at Pau back in January, cited as the reason why they fired him. Was it verbal or did he strike somebody there too? Bad year for him, sad story.
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Impossible to form a decent opinion without high resolution details, which we'll never get, but such is life in the public eye
"3 sides to a story" situation.
@Siam said in Carl Hayman convicted of domestic abuse:
Impossible to form a decent opinion without high resolution details, which we'll never get, but such is life in the public eye
"3 sides to a story" situation.
Welcome to the fern! First time poster?
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I think it's possible to form an decent opinion based on (a) a conviction by the justice system (b) a four month suspended prison sentence, and (c) his wife leaving him - having been "slapped" so hard that she needed three days off work:
An over-hyped prop and a nasty thug.
Hoping he can stay teetotal for his sake.
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It's become a bit uncomfortable the regularity that Hansen/Ted will trot out the 'better people make better All Blacks' line and talking about culture change before the 2004 EOYT being the crux of everything. Sure, they did away with some of the remnants of amateurism and provincialism in making things like court sessions voluntary - but the actual results aren't too flattering?
That isn't to call anyone a shit bloke, at the end of the day it's a random collection of men with the same flaws as the broader community. But that is... maybe the 5th domestic violence charge for an AB either in the midst or shortly after their AB career since Ted/Hansen made the big cultural changes? That's without the incidents where patrons, seals and pie shop windows were harmed.
Good team, good processes - but they need to stop talking it up because it's approaching the Australian cricket team's "we are the keepers of where the line is" stuff.
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Maybe potloads of money doesn’t buy peace & happiness...?
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It's become a bit uncomfortable the regularity that Hansen/Ted will trot out the 'better people make better All Blacks' line and talking about culture change before the 2004 EOYT being the crux of everything. Sure, they did away with some of the remnants of amateurism and provincialism in making things like court sessions voluntary - but the actual results aren't too flattering?
That isn't to call anyone a shit bloke, at the end of the day it's a random collection of men with the same flaws as the broader community. But that is... maybe the 5th domestic violence charge for an AB either in the midst or shortly after their AB career since Ted/Hansen made the big cultural changes? That's without the incidents where patrons, seals and pie shop windows were harmed.
Good team, good processes - but they need to stop talking it up because it's approaching the Australian cricket team's "we are the keepers of where the line is" stuff.
@rotated but imagine how much worse they might have been without that AB self development exp!
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It's become a bit uncomfortable the regularity that Hansen/Ted will trot out the 'better people make better All Blacks' line and talking about culture change before the 2004 EOYT being the crux of everything. Sure, they did away with some of the remnants of amateurism and provincialism in making things like court sessions voluntary - but the actual results aren't too flattering?
That isn't to call anyone a shit bloke, at the end of the day it's a random collection of men with the same flaws as the broader community. But that is... maybe the 5th domestic violence charge for an AB either in the midst or shortly after their AB career since Ted/Hansen made the big cultural changes? That's without the incidents where patrons, seals and pie shop windows were harmed.
Good team, good processes - but they need to stop talking it up because it's approaching the Australian cricket team's "we are the keepers of where the line is" stuff.
@rotated said in Carl Hayman convicted of domestic abuse:
It's become a bit uncomfortable the regularity that Hansen/Ted will trot out the 'better people make better All Blacks' line and talking about culture change before the 2004 EOYT being the crux of everything. Sure, they did away with some of the remnants of amateurism and provincialism in making things like court sessions voluntary - but the actual results aren't too flattering?
That isn't to call anyone a shit bloke, at the end of the day it's a random collection of men with the same flaws as the broader community. But that is... maybe the 5th domestic violence charge for an AB either in the midst or shortly after their AB career since Ted/Hansen made the big cultural changes? That's without the incidents where patrons, seals and pie shop windows were harmed.
Good team, good processes - but they need to stop talking it up because it's approaching the Australian cricket team's "we are the keepers of where the line is" stuff.
Shortly after in this case is 12 years
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@rotated said in Carl Hayman convicted of domestic abuse:
It's become a bit uncomfortable the regularity that Hansen/Ted will trot out the 'better people make better All Blacks' line and talking about culture change before the 2004 EOYT being the crux of everything. Sure, they did away with some of the remnants of amateurism and provincialism in making things like court sessions voluntary - but the actual results aren't too flattering?
That isn't to call anyone a shit bloke, at the end of the day it's a random collection of men with the same flaws as the broader community. But that is... maybe the 5th domestic violence charge for an AB either in the midst or shortly after their AB career since Ted/Hansen made the big cultural changes? That's without the incidents where patrons, seals and pie shop windows were harmed.
Good team, good processes - but they need to stop talking it up because it's approaching the Australian cricket team's "we are the keepers of where the line is" stuff.
Shortly after in this case is 12 years
@booboo said in Carl Hayman convicted of domestic abuse:
Shortly after in this case is 12 years
Or 9 per the article, but point taken.
I suspect if it was Carl Hayman, Canberra Raiders' legend instead we wouldn't quibble on those things.
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@booboo said in Carl Hayman convicted of domestic abuse:
Shortly after in this case is 12 years
Or 9 per the article, but point taken.
I suspect if it was Carl Hayman, Canberra Raiders' legend instead we wouldn't quibble on those things.
@rotated to the best of my knowledge the NRL has never made claims that they help develop better people... they file that under their wishful thinking outcomes.
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It's become a bit uncomfortable the regularity that Hansen/Ted will trot out the 'better people make better All Blacks' line and talking about culture change before the 2004 EOYT being the crux of everything. Sure, they did away with some of the remnants of amateurism and provincialism in making things like court sessions voluntary - but the actual results aren't too flattering?
That isn't to call anyone a shit bloke, at the end of the day it's a random collection of men with the same flaws as the broader community. But that is... maybe the 5th domestic violence charge for an AB either in the midst or shortly after their AB career since Ted/Hansen made the big cultural changes? That's without the incidents where patrons, seals and pie shop windows were harmed.
Good team, good processes - but they need to stop talking it up because it's approaching the Australian cricket team's "we are the keepers of where the line is" stuff.
@rotated said in Carl Hayman convicted of domestic abuse:
...Good team, good processes - but they need to stop talking it up because it's approaching the Australian cricket team's "we are the keepers of where the line is" stuff.
Do they really say that? The team which just welcomed back in a defrocked captain who cried, a 28 year old leader of what was once a noble entity, when he was caught out cheating? I hear they have rewarded the grubby master cheat too, the small fellow with a big gob, a gutter mouth and too little intelligence to offer an amusing sledge, who cannot cop a little bit for his corner.
I do hope they face South Africa soon and that the crowd gives the li'l fella plenty more about Sonny Bill porking madly away in a nightclub dunny. I loved watching his classic little big man cameo in the dressing room stairwell screeching at the South Africans "Hold me back, I'll belt him, I'll belt youse all, you just watch me ... I said hold me back!"
I will continue to fetch my news here, at a New Zealand rugby blog, about Australian cricket and the team which treats the dollars as applause. I have no interest in anything it or its spruikers say or do.
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@rotated to the best of my knowledge the NRL has never made claims that they help develop better people... they file that under their wishful thinking outcomes.
@Paekakboyz said in Carl Hayman convicted of domestic abuse:
@rotated to the best of my knowledge the NRL has never made claims that they help develop better people... they file that under their wishful thinking outcomes.
Which is my point, I think Shag and the NZRU brass would be best advised to as well.
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@booboo said in Carl Hayman convicted of domestic abuse:
Shortly after in this case is 12 years
Or 9 per the article, but point taken.
I suspect if it was Carl Hayman, Canberra Raiders' legend instead we wouldn't quibble on those things.
@rotated said in Carl Hayman convicted of domestic abuse:
@booboo said in Carl Hayman convicted of domestic abuse:
Shortly after in this case is 12 years
Or 9 per the article, but point taken.
I suspect if it was Carl Hayman, Canberra Raiders' legend instead we wouldn't quibble on those things.
Read the article? Why start now.
Thought his last test was the match that never happened in 2007 (checked and Wikipedia confirms). So 11.5 years ...
And no I would not likely comment on the Canberra Raiders.
Also, can you fill me in on the other domestic incidents? Savea and who else?
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@Paekakboyz said in Carl Hayman convicted of domestic abuse:
@rotated to the best of my knowledge the NRL has never made claims that they help develop better people... they file that under their wishful thinking outcomes.
Which is my point, I think Shag and the NZRU brass would be best advised to as well.
@rotated on history you'd say that's due to it being mission impossible for the NRL. Whereas on the whole I'd say most ABs would have shown, and personally acknowledged, positive growth as part of being involved. No initiative or goal like that is ever going to have perfect outcomes, but I've never felt the ABs have overstated it in the overall scheme of things.
