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  • KiwiMurphK Offline
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    KiwiMurph
    wrote on last edited by
    #866

    I'd say the truth lies somewhere in the middle and is a combination of things

    • not wanting to burn players out (Akira has been the worst victim of this in the past).

    • Sotutu's really strong Mitre 10 Cup-preseason-early season form

    • Akira could still improve his fitness (in his cameo in Newcastle he looked fitter than Mitre 10 Cup but still looked like he had work to do).

    The proof will be when he next plays.

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    • KiwiMurphK KiwiMurph

      I'd say the truth lies somewhere in the middle and is a combination of things

      • not wanting to burn players out (Akira has been the worst victim of this in the past).

      • Sotutu's really strong Mitre 10 Cup-preseason-early season form

      • Akira could still improve his fitness (in his cameo in Newcastle he looked fitter than Mitre 10 Cup but still looked like he had work to do).

      The proof will be when he next plays.

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      Crucial
      wrote on last edited by
      #867

      @KiwiMurph said in Blues 2020:

      I'd say the truth lies somewhere in the middle and is a combination of things

      • not wanting to burn players out (Akira has been the worst victim of this in the past).

      • Sotutu's really strong Mitre 10 Cup-preseason-early season form

      • Akira could still improve his fitness (in his cameo in Newcastle he looked fitter than Mitre 10 Cup but still looked like he had work to do).

      The proof will be when he next plays.

      Do you not think that a reason for your third point is answered by your first? Why be at peak if you are looking to peak later?

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      • KiwiMurphK KiwiMurph

        I'd say the truth lies somewhere in the middle and is a combination of things

        • not wanting to burn players out (Akira has been the worst victim of this in the past).

        • Sotutu's really strong Mitre 10 Cup-preseason-early season form

        • Akira could still improve his fitness (in his cameo in Newcastle he looked fitter than Mitre 10 Cup but still looked like he had work to do).

        The proof will be when he next plays.

        KirwanK Offline
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        Kirwan
        wrote on last edited by
        #868

        @KiwiMurph said in Blues 2020:

        I'd say the truth lies somewhere in the middle and is a combination of things

        • not wanting to burn players out (Akira has been the worst victim of this in the past).

        • Sotutu's really strong Mitre 10 Cup-preseason-early season form

        • Akira could still improve his fitness (in his cameo in Newcastle he looked fitter than Mitre 10 Cup but still looked like he had work to do).

        The proof will be when he next plays.

        Akira could score three trys, make 30 tackles and kick the conversions and some posters here would complain about his facial expressions or his "niggle".

        It's also noticable in the media too. It's not a coincidence that Sky coverage waited until he was eating to show him on camera, IMO.

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        • KirwanK Kirwan

          @KiwiMurph said in Blues 2020:

          I'd say the truth lies somewhere in the middle and is a combination of things

          • not wanting to burn players out (Akira has been the worst victim of this in the past).

          • Sotutu's really strong Mitre 10 Cup-preseason-early season form

          • Akira could still improve his fitness (in his cameo in Newcastle he looked fitter than Mitre 10 Cup but still looked like he had work to do).

          The proof will be when he next plays.

          Akira could score three trys, make 30 tackles and kick the conversions and some posters here would complain about his facial expressions or his "niggle".

          It's also noticable in the media too. It's not a coincidence that Sky coverage waited until he was eating to show him on camera, IMO.

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          Hooroo
          wrote on last edited by
          #869

          @Kirwan said in Blues 2020:

          @KiwiMurph said in Blues 2020:

          I'd say the truth lies somewhere in the middle and is a combination of things

          • not wanting to burn players out (Akira has been the worst victim of this in the past).

          • Sotutu's really strong Mitre 10 Cup-preseason-early season form

          • Akira could still improve his fitness (in his cameo in Newcastle he looked fitter than Mitre 10 Cup but still looked like he had work to do).

          The proof will be when he next plays.

          Akira could score three trys, make 30 tackles and kick the conversions and some posters here would complain about his facial expressions or his "niggle".

          It's also noticable in the media too. It's not a coincidence that Sky coverage waited until he was eating to show him on camera, IMO.

          Always a victim......

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          • HoorooH Hooroo

            @Kirwan said in Blues 2020:

            @KiwiMurph said in Blues 2020:

            I'd say the truth lies somewhere in the middle and is a combination of things

            • not wanting to burn players out (Akira has been the worst victim of this in the past).

            • Sotutu's really strong Mitre 10 Cup-preseason-early season form

            • Akira could still improve his fitness (in his cameo in Newcastle he looked fitter than Mitre 10 Cup but still looked like he had work to do).

            The proof will be when he next plays.

            Akira could score three trys, make 30 tackles and kick the conversions and some posters here would complain about his facial expressions or his "niggle".

            It's also noticable in the media too. It's not a coincidence that Sky coverage waited until he was eating to show him on camera, IMO.

            Always a victim......

            KirwanK Offline
            KirwanK Offline
            Kirwan
            wrote on last edited by
            #870

            @Hooroo said in Blues 2020:

            @Kirwan said in Blues 2020:

            @KiwiMurph said in Blues 2020:

            I'd say the truth lies somewhere in the middle and is a combination of things

            • not wanting to burn players out (Akira has been the worst victim of this in the past).

            • Sotutu's really strong Mitre 10 Cup-preseason-early season form

            • Akira could still improve his fitness (in his cameo in Newcastle he looked fitter than Mitre 10 Cup but still looked like he had work to do).

            The proof will be when he next plays.

            Akira could score three trys, make 30 tackles and kick the conversions and some posters here would complain about his facial expressions or his "niggle".

            It's also noticable in the media too. It's not a coincidence that Sky coverage waited until he was eating to show him on camera, IMO.

            Always a victim......

            I don't think it's inaccurate to say that he gets very different coverage than pretty much any other player.

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            • KirwanK Kirwan

              @Hooroo said in Blues 2020:

              @Kirwan said in Blues 2020:

              @KiwiMurph said in Blues 2020:

              I'd say the truth lies somewhere in the middle and is a combination of things

              • not wanting to burn players out (Akira has been the worst victim of this in the past).

              • Sotutu's really strong Mitre 10 Cup-preseason-early season form

              • Akira could still improve his fitness (in his cameo in Newcastle he looked fitter than Mitre 10 Cup but still looked like he had work to do).

              The proof will be when he next plays.

              Akira could score three trys, make 30 tackles and kick the conversions and some posters here would complain about his facial expressions or his "niggle".

              It's also noticable in the media too. It's not a coincidence that Sky coverage waited until he was eating to show him on camera, IMO.

              Always a victim......

              I don't think it's inaccurate to say that he gets very different coverage than pretty much any other player.

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              Hooroo
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              #871

              @Kirwan said in Blues 2020:

              @Hooroo said in Blues 2020:

              @Kirwan said in Blues 2020:

              @KiwiMurph said in Blues 2020:

              I'd say the truth lies somewhere in the middle and is a combination of things

              • not wanting to burn players out (Akira has been the worst victim of this in the past).

              • Sotutu's really strong Mitre 10 Cup-preseason-early season form

              • Akira could still improve his fitness (in his cameo in Newcastle he looked fitter than Mitre 10 Cup but still looked like he had work to do).

              The proof will be when he next plays.

              Akira could score three trys, make 30 tackles and kick the conversions and some posters here would complain about his facial expressions or his "niggle".

              It's also noticable in the media too. It's not a coincidence that Sky coverage waited until he was eating to show him on camera, IMO.

              Always a victim......

              I don't think it's inaccurate to say that he gets very different coverage than pretty much any other player.

              I think he gets the appropriate amount for a unfit/fat professional. If in fact unfit.

              Unless he is mentally deficient, I do not understand why he is still in the conditioning phase?

              Unless it is from AB instructions though, then I can get that.

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              • HoorooH Hooroo

                @Kirwan said in Blues 2020:

                @Hooroo said in Blues 2020:

                @Kirwan said in Blues 2020:

                @KiwiMurph said in Blues 2020:

                I'd say the truth lies somewhere in the middle and is a combination of things

                • not wanting to burn players out (Akira has been the worst victim of this in the past).

                • Sotutu's really strong Mitre 10 Cup-preseason-early season form

                • Akira could still improve his fitness (in his cameo in Newcastle he looked fitter than Mitre 10 Cup but still looked like he had work to do).

                The proof will be when he next plays.

                Akira could score three trys, make 30 tackles and kick the conversions and some posters here would complain about his facial expressions or his "niggle".

                It's also noticable in the media too. It's not a coincidence that Sky coverage waited until he was eating to show him on camera, IMO.

                Always a victim......

                I don't think it's inaccurate to say that he gets very different coverage than pretty much any other player.

                I think he gets the appropriate amount for a unfit/fat professional. If in fact unfit.

                Unless he is mentally deficient, I do not understand why he is still in the conditioning phase?

                Unless it is from AB instructions though, then I can get that.

                KirwanK Offline
                KirwanK Offline
                Kirwan
                wrote on last edited by
                #872

                @Hooroo said in Blues 2020:

                @Kirwan said in Blues 2020:

                @Hooroo said in Blues 2020:

                @Kirwan said in Blues 2020:

                @KiwiMurph said in Blues 2020:

                I'd say the truth lies somewhere in the middle and is a combination of things

                • not wanting to burn players out (Akira has been the worst victim of this in the past).

                • Sotutu's really strong Mitre 10 Cup-preseason-early season form

                • Akira could still improve his fitness (in his cameo in Newcastle he looked fitter than Mitre 10 Cup but still looked like he had work to do).

                The proof will be when he next plays.

                Akira could score three trys, make 30 tackles and kick the conversions and some posters here would complain about his facial expressions or his "niggle".

                It's also noticable in the media too. It's not a coincidence that Sky coverage waited until he was eating to show him on camera, IMO.

                Always a victim......

                I don't think it's inaccurate to say that he gets very different coverage than pretty much any other player.

                I think he gets the appropriate amount for a unfit/fat professional. If in fact unfit.

                Unless he is mentally deficient, I do not understand why he is still in the conditioning phase?

                Unless it is from AB instructions though, then I can get that.

                As was said early in the thread, he looked good in pre-season. People that have seen him live say he's not fat.

                Yet you can see comments here (and yours) saying he's fat and unfit, or mentally deficient!

                Is Robinson unfit? Why isn't he starting? Perhaps the coaches have a plan for player workload?

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                • KirwanK Kirwan

                  @Hooroo said in Blues 2020:

                  @Kirwan said in Blues 2020:

                  @Hooroo said in Blues 2020:

                  @Kirwan said in Blues 2020:

                  @KiwiMurph said in Blues 2020:

                  I'd say the truth lies somewhere in the middle and is a combination of things

                  • not wanting to burn players out (Akira has been the worst victim of this in the past).

                  • Sotutu's really strong Mitre 10 Cup-preseason-early season form

                  • Akira could still improve his fitness (in his cameo in Newcastle he looked fitter than Mitre 10 Cup but still looked like he had work to do).

                  The proof will be when he next plays.

                  Akira could score three trys, make 30 tackles and kick the conversions and some posters here would complain about his facial expressions or his "niggle".

                  It's also noticable in the media too. It's not a coincidence that Sky coverage waited until he was eating to show him on camera, IMO.

                  Always a victim......

                  I don't think it's inaccurate to say that he gets very different coverage than pretty much any other player.

                  I think he gets the appropriate amount for a unfit/fat professional. If in fact unfit.

                  Unless he is mentally deficient, I do not understand why he is still in the conditioning phase?

                  Unless it is from AB instructions though, then I can get that.

                  As was said early in the thread, he looked good in pre-season. People that have seen him live say he's not fat.

                  Yet you can see comments here (and yours) saying he's fat and unfit, or mentally deficient!

                  Is Robinson unfit? Why isn't he starting? Perhaps the coaches have a plan for player workload?

                  HoorooH Offline
                  HoorooH Offline
                  Hooroo
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #873

                  @Kirwan said in Blues 2020:

                  @Hooroo said in Blues 2020:

                  @Kirwan said in Blues 2020:

                  @Hooroo said in Blues 2020:

                  @Kirwan said in Blues 2020:

                  @KiwiMurph said in Blues 2020:

                  I'd say the truth lies somewhere in the middle and is a combination of things

                  • not wanting to burn players out (Akira has been the worst victim of this in the past).

                  • Sotutu's really strong Mitre 10 Cup-preseason-early season form

                  • Akira could still improve his fitness (in his cameo in Newcastle he looked fitter than Mitre 10 Cup but still looked like he had work to do).

                  The proof will be when he next plays.

                  Akira could score three trys, make 30 tackles and kick the conversions and some posters here would complain about his facial expressions or his "niggle".

                  It's also noticable in the media too. It's not a coincidence that Sky coverage waited until he was eating to show him on camera, IMO.

                  Always a victim......

                  I don't think it's inaccurate to say that he gets very different coverage than pretty much any other player.

                  I think he gets the appropriate amount for a unfit/fat professional. If in fact unfit.

                  Unless he is mentally deficient, I do not understand why he is still in the conditioning phase?

                  Unless it is from AB instructions though, then I can get that.

                  As was said early in the thread, he looked good in pre-season. People that have seen him live say he's not fat.

                  Yet you can see comments here (and yours) saying he's fat and unfit, or mentally deficient!

                  Is Robinson unfit? Why isn't he starting? Perhaps the coaches have a plan for player workload?

                  To be fair, I don't know who Robinson is. Is he the tall ranga? I think Akira would get more screen time purely due to having the higher profile. (Being in and out of AB camps etc)

                  I'm not saying he's fat, but it appears from those on the inside the Blues camp that he is unfit which mystifies me.

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                    taniwharugby
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                    #874

                    gotta love the Fern!!

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                    • HoorooH Hooroo

                      @Kirwan said in Blues 2020:

                      @Hooroo said in Blues 2020:

                      @Kirwan said in Blues 2020:

                      @Hooroo said in Blues 2020:

                      @Kirwan said in Blues 2020:

                      @KiwiMurph said in Blues 2020:

                      I'd say the truth lies somewhere in the middle and is a combination of things

                      • not wanting to burn players out (Akira has been the worst victim of this in the past).

                      • Sotutu's really strong Mitre 10 Cup-preseason-early season form

                      • Akira could still improve his fitness (in his cameo in Newcastle he looked fitter than Mitre 10 Cup but still looked like he had work to do).

                      The proof will be when he next plays.

                      Akira could score three trys, make 30 tackles and kick the conversions and some posters here would complain about his facial expressions or his "niggle".

                      It's also noticable in the media too. It's not a coincidence that Sky coverage waited until he was eating to show him on camera, IMO.

                      Always a victim......

                      I don't think it's inaccurate to say that he gets very different coverage than pretty much any other player.

                      I think he gets the appropriate amount for a unfit/fat professional. If in fact unfit.

                      Unless he is mentally deficient, I do not understand why he is still in the conditioning phase?

                      Unless it is from AB instructions though, then I can get that.

                      As was said early in the thread, he looked good in pre-season. People that have seen him live say he's not fat.

                      Yet you can see comments here (and yours) saying he's fat and unfit, or mentally deficient!

                      Is Robinson unfit? Why isn't he starting? Perhaps the coaches have a plan for player workload?

                      To be fair, I don't know who Robinson is. Is he the tall ranga? I think Akira would get more screen time purely due to having the higher profile. (Being in and out of AB camps etc)

                      I'm not saying he's fat, but it appears from those on the inside the Blues camp that he is unfit which mystifies me.

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                      Duluth
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                      #875

                      @Hooroo said in Blues 2020:

                      To be fair, I don't know who Robinson is. Is he the tall ranga?

                      Yes. One of the Blues best last year but he faded a bit towards the end. He should've been rotated with Papali'i more often.

                      He's a pretty good chance of making the AB's this year. Currently he's getting selected on the Blues bench.

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                      • DuluthD Duluth

                        @Hooroo said in Blues 2020:

                        To be fair, I don't know who Robinson is. Is he the tall ranga?

                        Yes. One of the Blues best last year but he faded a bit towards the end. He should've been rotated with Papali'i more often.

                        He's a pretty good chance of making the AB's this year. Currently he's getting selected on the Blues bench.

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                        Hooroo
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                        #876

                        @Duluth said in Blues 2020:

                        @Hooroo said in Blues 2020:

                        To be fair, I don't know who Robinson is. Is he the tall ranga?

                        Yes. One of the Blues best last year but he faded a bit towards the end. He should've been rotated with Papali'i more often.

                        He's a pretty good chance of making the AB's this year. Currently he's getting selected on the Blues bench.

                        I do recall him. Big hair. Too much hair probably.

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                        • HoorooH Hooroo

                          @Duluth said in Blues 2020:

                          @Hooroo said in Blues 2020:

                          To be fair, I don't know who Robinson is. Is he the tall ranga?

                          Yes. One of the Blues best last year but he faded a bit towards the end. He should've been rotated with Papali'i more often.

                          He's a pretty good chance of making the AB's this year. Currently he's getting selected on the Blues bench.

                          I do recall him. Big hair. Too much hair probably.

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                          Duluth
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                          @Hooroo said in Blues 2020:

                          Too much hair probably.

                          Kids these days..

                          His hair helps him IMO. He's hard to miss on the field and he gets some very positive media puff pieces

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                          • DuluthD Duluth

                            @Hooroo said in Blues 2020:

                            Too much hair probably.

                            Kids these days..

                            His hair helps him IMO. He's hard to miss on the field and he gets some very positive media puff pieces

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                            @Duluth said in Blues 2020:

                            @Hooroo said in Blues 2020:

                            Too much hair probably.

                            Kids these days..

                            His hair helps him IMO. He's hard to miss on the field and he gets some very positive media puff pieces

                            I think the beard does the opposite for Akira too. I really think the media coverage is that superficial.

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                            • KirwanK Kirwan

                              @Duluth said in Blues 2020:

                              @Hooroo said in Blues 2020:

                              Too much hair probably.

                              Kids these days..

                              His hair helps him IMO. He's hard to miss on the field and he gets some very positive media puff pieces

                              I think the beard does the opposite for Akira too. I really think the media coverage is that superficial.

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                              Hooroo
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                              @Kirwan said in Blues 2020:

                              @Duluth said in Blues 2020:

                              @Hooroo said in Blues 2020:

                              Too much hair probably.

                              Kids these days..

                              His hair helps him IMO. He's hard to miss on the field and he gets some very positive media puff pieces

                              I think the beard does the opposite for Akira too. I really think the media coverage is that superficial.

                              I think we a long gone from giving mainstream media any credit now. A lot of the stuff now is dross in terms of sports.

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                              • HoorooH Hooroo

                                @Kirwan said in Blues 2020:

                                @Hooroo said in Blues 2020:

                                @Kirwan said in Blues 2020:

                                @KiwiMurph said in Blues 2020:

                                I'd say the truth lies somewhere in the middle and is a combination of things

                                • not wanting to burn players out (Akira has been the worst victim of this in the past).

                                • Sotutu's really strong Mitre 10 Cup-preseason-early season form

                                • Akira could still improve his fitness (in his cameo in Newcastle he looked fitter than Mitre 10 Cup but still looked like he had work to do).

                                The proof will be when he next plays.

                                Akira could score three trys, make 30 tackles and kick the conversions and some posters here would complain about his facial expressions or his "niggle".

                                It's also noticable in the media too. It's not a coincidence that Sky coverage waited until he was eating to show him on camera, IMO.

                                Always a victim......

                                I don't think it's inaccurate to say that he gets very different coverage than pretty much any other player.

                                I think he gets the appropriate amount for a unfit/fat professional. If in fact unfit.

                                Unless he is mentally deficient, I do not understand why he is still in the conditioning phase?

                                Unless it is from AB instructions though, then I can get that.

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                                Nepia
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                                @Hooroo said in Blues 2020:

                                @Kirwan said in Blues 2020:

                                @Hooroo said in Blues 2020:

                                @Kirwan said in Blues 2020:

                                @KiwiMurph said in Blues 2020:

                                I'd say the truth lies somewhere in the middle and is a combination of things

                                • not wanting to burn players out (Akira has been the worst victim of this in the past).

                                • Sotutu's really strong Mitre 10 Cup-preseason-early season form

                                • Akira could still improve his fitness (in his cameo in Newcastle he looked fitter than Mitre 10 Cup but still looked like he had work to do).

                                The proof will be when he next plays.

                                Akira could score three trys, make 30 tackles and kick the conversions and some posters here would complain about his facial expressions or his "niggle".

                                It's also noticable in the media too. It's not a coincidence that Sky coverage waited until he was eating to show him on camera, IMO.

                                Always a victim......

                                I don't think it's inaccurate to say that he gets very different coverage than pretty much any other player.

                                I think he gets the appropriate amount for a unfit/fat professional. If in fact unfit.

                                Unless he is mentally deficient, I do not understand why he is still in the conditioning phase?

                                Unless it is from AB instructions though, then I can get that.

                                When he was out of form and fat at the end of last Super season and during the NPC he deservedly got the right coverage which is fair enough, but he was getting the same crap coverage the year before when he was carving up, both to the eye and statistically. (This is not just media, but especially common folks on forums as well).

                                @Duluth said in Blues 2020:

                                He's a pretty good chance of making the AB's this year. Currently he's getting selected on the Blues bench.

                                Nah, he needs to be on the Highlanders bench.

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                                  I tend to agree with @Kirwan and others and think MacDonald is just managing players workloads.

                                  I find it hard to believe that he's gone from playing nearly every minute last year (MacDonald obviously rates him), to totally out of favour where he can't even get a bench spot.

                                  If this proves to be the case, it is very clever squad management IMHO.

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                                    https://twitter.com/i/status/1229913636065378304

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                                      I assume that Luteru Tolai has already replaced Nuia, any idea who will come in for Parsons?

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                                        I assume that Luteru Tolai has already replaced Nuia, any idea who will come in for Parsons?

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                                        Dice
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                                        #884

                                        @Tim Not many hooker options out there. I'd say the best guys available in the country would be Kereru-Symes or Pleasants-Tate.

                                        Kereru-Symes is a young guy with potential and Pleasants-Tate has a bit of experience at this level.

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                                        • DiceD Dice

                                          @Tim Not many hooker options out there. I'd say the best guys available in the country would be Kereru-Symes or Pleasants-Tate.

                                          Kereru-Symes is a young guy with potential and Pleasants-Tate has a bit of experience at this level.

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                                          @Dice said in Blues 2020:

                                          @Tim Not many hooker options out there. I'd say the best guys available in the country would be Kereru-Symes or Pleasants-Tate.

                                          Kereru-Symes is a young guy with potential and Pleasants-Tate has a bit of experience at this level.

                                          can't re-poach Abel?

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