Chiefs 2020
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They'd be mad if they lost him; he has talent and size.
If he came to the Chiefs, with a couple of other signings, I'd be very happy looking at 2021.
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@Bovidae Yep that seems a work on for a few Hookers the throwing to the line outs hasn't been flash over all this season.I like his work around the park sort of what Makilo brings of the bench at the Crusaders.
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@Chris I watched Taukei’aho play a bit at schoolboy level (St Paul's Collegiate) and he used to play no.8 as much as hooker. Was devestating as a ball-runner.
I think the Chiefs need a no.8 too so maybe Frizell could be that guy.
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If we re-signed Big Deb, plus added Parkinson and Frizell, I'd be so stoked. Just dreaming though - I doubt we'll get either. Having Gats coming back though could be good - he's an international level coach and should lure some players.
I forgot about Reuben O'Neill @Bovidae - with him, we should have a pretty good prop rotation if we can keep everyone. Just need a better back up hooker, a quality lock, one more good loosie, invest in 10s, and hold our midfield...
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The Chiefs' main change for 2020 will be the change in coaching staff, with Warren Gatland announced to take over as Head Coach from Colin Cooper next year, and decisions on his assistants still to be made or announced.
While in some player positions the most crucial signings have been secured, most notably the backrow and midfield, there are still a lot of players of whom we don't know whether they've re-signed or not. Not an awful lot of players have announced to go overseas (Retallick's sabattical will have a huge impact though), but some positions definitely need some reinforcement.
In the blog post below, I've listed players who were named in the 2019 Chiefs squad, played for the franchise, re-signed or leaving players etc to assist a discussion about the 2020 Chiefs squad. I will update this list when further signings or departures are announced.
- The recruitment in which position is the most urgent?
- Who of the players of the initial 2019 squad would you like to see signed for 2020 (or longer)?
- Who of the players that played in 2019, but weren't in the initial squad, would you like to see signed for 2020 (or longer)?
- Which other player, who hasn't played for the Chiefs in 2019, would be on your wish list?
- Which player, who hasn't been signed yet, but played for the Chiefs in 2019, don't you want to be signed?
Blog post:
https://www.thesilverfern.com/posts/stargazer/2019-06/chiefs-2020@Stargazer According to this article Nanai-Seturo is signed
https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/super-rugby/113896018/super-rugby-warren-gatland-must-fill-the-hole-left-by-brodie-retallick-at-the-chiefs -
@Stargazer According to this article Nanai-Seturo is signed
https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/super-rugby/113896018/super-rugby-warren-gatland-must-fill-the-hole-left-by-brodie-retallick-at-the-chiefs -
@Chris Thanks, that's possible, but I only follow official announcements as the media have proven to be unreliable in some instances. I've never seen an announcement that included ETN's contract duration.
@Stargazer No neither have I ,Just wanted you to be aware its in the Article
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@Stargazer I liked what I saw from Falcon. Trask would be a good pick up for development. Assuming DMac gets used at fullback and Gats sees that MMac is shit. Could be Debs, Falcon, and Trask for five-eigths next year. I also liked Matty Lansdown, but he's probably more of a fullback.
@Yeetyaah said in Chiefs 2020:
@Stargazer I liked what I saw from Falcon. Trask would be a good pick up for development. Assuming DMac gets used at fullback and Gats sees that MMac is shit. Could be Debs, Falcon, and Trask for five-eigths next year. I also liked Matty Lansdown, but he's probably more of a fullback.
how about Fletcher Smith - he was on fire for waikato.. if he has another good NPC. Not sure how long he's signed with the Canees
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Seu needs to playing at lock not no.8. I still have high hopes for McWhannell if he gets an opportunity. The Chiefs have had a permanent foodbill for the last 2 seasons in Fin Hoeata - another of those Taranaki signings. Parkinson would be a great buy with Ardron and Allardice already there.
I'm sure Tupaea will be in the full squad next season. They only had 3 specialist midfielders this season with Wainui and Sullivan as backups. I like Sullivan but he might be used more as a winger initially.
Props: Remember that Reuben O'Neill was also out for the season with a serious injury. He was rated high enough to make the extended AB squad for Japan last year.
Debreczeni has done enough to get a new contract. There are enough young 1st 5s around the region for that 3rd stringer. Not just Trask, Rivez Reihana is in the system and played for the Chiefs Dev team.
@Bovidae said in Chiefs 2020:
Seu needs to playing at lock not no.8. I still have high hopes for McWhannell if he gets an opportunity.
yep poor bugger getting broken in club footy just when he would have got an extended run!
I'm looking forward to seeing how Seu looks compared to Jordan Manihera in npc.. i reckon Manihera has plenty of raw talent and a stint in a super side he'd come on leaps and bounds.
and just finishing of with complete waikato eye patch on - if James Tuckers stays injury free he needs to come back into the chiefs too
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@Bovidae said in Chiefs 2020:
Seu needs to playing at lock not no.8. I still have high hopes for McWhannell if he gets an opportunity.
yep poor bugger getting broken in club footy just when he would have got an extended run!
I'm looking forward to seeing how Seu looks compared to Jordan Manihera in npc.. i reckon Manihera has plenty of raw talent and a stint in a super side he'd come on leaps and bounds.
and just finishing of with complete waikato eye patch on - if James Tuckers stays injury free he needs to come back into the chiefs too
@WillieTheWaiter said in Chiefs 2020:
and just finishing of with complete waikato eye patch on - if James Tuckers stays injury free he needs to come back into the chiefs too
Tucker should have been picked ahead of Parete as an injury replacement. Playing the latter as a lock was a selection fuckup.
Gatland will obviously have different ideas on what type of player he wants so I expect some new players.
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@WillieTheWaiter said in Chiefs 2020:
and just finishing of with complete waikato eye patch on - if James Tuckers stays injury free he needs to come back into the chiefs too
Tucker should have been picked ahead of Parete as an injury replacement. Playing the latter as a lock was a selection fuckup.
Gatland will obviously have different ideas on what type of player he wants so I expect some new players.
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@Stargazer said in Chiefs 2020:
@Bovidae Wasn't James Tucker injured? His knee?
Yes, but I saw his name listed in a Blues preseason match-day squad and he has been playing club rugby. I am assuming his injury wasn't as serious as first thought. Not 100% sure when he returned.
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@Yeetyaah said in Chiefs 2020:
@Stargazer I liked what I saw from Falcon. Trask would be a good pick up for development. Assuming DMac gets used at fullback and Gats sees that MMac is shit. Could be Debs, Falcon, and Trask for five-eigths next year. I also liked Matty Lansdown, but he's probably more of a fullback.
how about Fletcher Smith - he was on fire for waikato.. if he has another good NPC. Not sure how long he's signed with the Canees
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@WillieTheWaiter Yeah I liked Fletch, he was bloody good. I think someone on the fern said he was signed for 2 years at the canes though.
@Yeetyaah yeah he is with the Canes next year.
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Not that happy with this decision, and the article suggests it might not have been Gatland's choice anyway.
And more importantly, who is overseeing the recruitment of the 2020 squad?
@Bovidae What's wrong with Matson? Our attack looked good throughout the year, once DMac got moved on -- and it would be hard to blame that on Matson.
Our handling coach might need sacking. And our defence structures took half a season to come right. But attack never seemed to be a concern.
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@Bovidae What's wrong with Matson? Our attack looked good throughout the year, once DMac got moved on -- and it would be hard to blame that on Matson.
Our handling coach might need sacking. And our defence structures took half a season to come right. But attack never seemed to be a concern.
@Chester-Draws Matson's backline attack usually consists of too much lateral movement without testing the opposition's defence. We need to be more direct. I'm sure there are some Cantabs who weren't happy when he was in charge of the backs under Blackadder.
I'm not sure who decided to change job responsibilities of the coaches but the Chiefs' forwards were good under Barnes in previous seasons and less so when White took over. And as you say, Barnes took most of the season to get the defensive structures working. Gatland favours the rush defence so there will be another change next season.
And I might be in the minority here, but I want DMac to be starting at 1st 5, or at least spending a significant number of games there. Sure, he may be more dangerous from fullback but the Chiefs have many more options in that position (Alaimalo, Stevenson, Nanai-Seturo). Most of the problems at the start of the season were because the forwards weren't doing their job.
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Well, we'll disagree then.
I thought Matson's attack was direct enough. And I'm totally against DMac at 1st 5.
