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Chiefs 2020

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  • YeetyaahY Yeetyaah

    https://www.instagram.com/p/CDxFQ2hnS6N/?igshid=1cfb52pmknb4i

    Solomon has just come out of his surgery. Thanks Caleb.

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    @Yeetyaah actually feel for Solomon , I know what Caleb Did was not deliberate, but it was kind of reckless..He was never going to stop Solly from scoring , just feel he could have jumped over him, given the damage inflicted ..personally if it was me injured , I would be very dark.

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      The details of Gatland's deal, gladly signed off by New Zealand Rugby, have been well publicised but less well-known is the extent of the franchise's rebuilding job next year under new coach Clayton McMillan because it's understood current assistants Tabai Matson and Neil Barnes will not be assisting him.

      https://www.nzherald.co.nz/rugby/news/article.cfm?c_id=80&objectid=12356416

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        The details of Gatland's deal, gladly signed off by New Zealand Rugby, have been well publicised but less well-known is the extent of the franchise's rebuilding job next year under new coach Clayton McMillan because it's understood current assistants Tabai Matson and Neil Barnes will not be assisting him.

        https://www.nzherald.co.nz/rugby/news/article.cfm?c_id=80&objectid=12356416

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        @Tim good , matson especially has been a waste of time and barnes at defence was poor last season.

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          paywalled

          but how does a lack of job security in a business where the only thing that matters is results, make you do your job worse?

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            @Tim good , matson especially has been a waste of time and barnes at defence was poor last season.

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            @ploughboy said in Chiefs 2020:

            @Tim good , matson especially has been a waste of time and barnes at defence was poor last season.

            As I've said previously, Gatland inherited Colin Cooper's assistants, and neither Barnes (forwards) or Matson (defence) have been good enough this season. If McMillan is being groomed to take over in 2024 then he should have some say in the appointment of the new assistants. Gatland has favoured the rush defence but the Chiefs have been guilty of being too passive on defence, which highlights to me that Matson was fully in charge of the defensive system used. Getting a new forwards coach similar to Coventry would be a good start.

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              Aaron Goile's article on Stuff says that Michael Allardice is a confirmed departure along with Falcon and Manu. Maybe he is going overseas because I can't believe the coaches wouldn't want to retain some experience amongst a very green locking group.

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              • BovidaeB Bovidae

                Aaron Goile's article on Stuff says that Michael Allardice is a confirmed departure along with Falcon and Manu. Maybe he is going overseas because I can't believe the coaches wouldn't want to retain some experience amongst a very green locking group.

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                @Bovidae Interesting. Allardice hasn't been confirmed yet for the Magpies, either. That may still come, or may be caused by his injury. But reading that, it may also be because he's leaving? Geez, now I really hope the HBRU sign Bryn Evans.

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                  https://www.chiefs.co.nz/news-item/gallagher-chiefs-bid-sayonara-to-Allardice-and-Falcon

                  We already knew, Allardice and Falcon off to Japan.

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                    https://www.rugbypass.com/news/the-key-recruitments-that-could-help-the-chiefs-bounce-back-from-their-horror-season/

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                      Agree with Fletcher Smith. But, would have thought Tom Franklin and James Tucker targets at lock. Would like to see Selby-Rickett starting for Chiefs too. Matt Garland may be worth a look for midfield if still around.

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                      • ARHSA ARHS

                        Agree with Fletcher Smith. But, would have thought Tom Franklin and James Tucker targets at lock. Would like to see Selby-Rickett starting for Chiefs too. Matt Garland may be worth a look for midfield if still around.

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                        @ARHS rather not have Selby-Rickit but to each is own. Was surprised Tucker went north. Always thought Franklin was underrated.

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                          Are people ever going to move on from what Selby-Ricket did? The guy has been punished. Time to give him the chance to turn things around.

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                          • Crazy HorseC Crazy Horse

                            Are people ever going to move on from what Selby-Ricket did? The guy has been punished. Time to give him the chance to turn things around.

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                            @Crazy-Horse nope it's much like Reece. Dude is a disgrace to teachers and professional rugby players.

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                            • ARHSA ARHS

                              Agree with Fletcher Smith. But, would have thought Tom Franklin and James Tucker targets at lock. Would like to see Selby-Rickett starting for Chiefs too. Matt Garland may be worth a look for midfield if still around.

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                              @ARHS said in Chiefs 2020:

                              Agree with Fletcher Smith. But, would have thought Tom Franklin and James Tucker targets at lock.

                              If Franklin is back in NZ for good he would be a great addition to the Chiefs. Franklin provides lineout height and heaps of experience. McMillan will be in a good position to convince him to sign.

                              Ah Kuoi, McWhannell and Vaa’i all have plenty of promise but are green at SR level.

                              I would think that the Chiefs are looking for 2 locks so that Brown can go back to being a loose forward instead of an undersized lock.

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                              • YeetyaahY Yeetyaah

                                @Crazy-Horse nope it's much like Reece. Dude is a disgrace to teachers and professional rugby players.

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                                @Yeetyaah said in Chiefs 2020:

                                @Crazy-Horse nope it's much like Reece. Dude is a disgrace to teachers and professional rugby players.

                                There is a hell of a lot of SR players you could lump into that category , lots of things do not get made public we would have a lot less depth if we all thought that way.
                                Every one deserves a second chance, people who have made worse mistakes get another chance.

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                                • ChrisC Chris

                                  @Yeetyaah said in Chiefs 2020:

                                  @Crazy-Horse nope it's much like Reece. Dude is a disgrace to teachers and professional rugby players.

                                  There is a hell of a lot of SR players you could lump into that category , lots of things do not get made public we would have a lot less depth if we all thought that way.
                                  Every one deserves a second chance, people who have made worse mistakes get another chance.

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                                  @Chris Yeah, it's odd how the likes of Julian Savea don't get the same "treatment".

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                                    @Chris Yeah, it's odd how the likes of Julian Savea don't get the same "treatment".

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                                    @Stargazer said in Chiefs 2020:

                                    @Chris Yeah, it's odd how the likes of Julian Savea don't get the same "treatment".

                                    Yes same scenario as Reece but apparently it’s different in some people’s eyes.

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                                      @Yeetyaah said in Chiefs 2020:

                                      @Crazy-Horse nope it's much like Reece. Dude is a disgrace to teachers and professional rugby players.

                                      There is a hell of a lot of SR players you could lump into that category , lots of things do not get made public we would have a lot less depth if we all thought that way.
                                      Every one deserves a second chance, people who have made worse mistakes get another chance.

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                                      @Chris I'm not saying he doesn't deserve a second chance, this happened less than a year ago, a fine and a 4 week ban before the season started is hardly a punishment. At least he hasn't been thrown into the All Blacks.

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                                      • StargazerS Stargazer

                                        @Chris Yeah, it's odd how the likes of Julian Savea don't get the same "treatment".

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                                        @Stargazer

                                        Personally I think that he shouldn't be playing professional rugby right now, but given that he is, I'd prefer him to not wear a Chief's jersey.

                                        The organization that committed to giving him the support to rehabilitate himself (the Landers) should be committed to helping him rehabilitate. So, for him to move on now would indicate that he's either not rehabbed or isn't good enough.

                                        Either way, no thanks. In a couple of years perhaps the kid will be a good player, perhaps an AB. But he still kicked a guy in the head when he was down, and that guy will never be able to do a bunch of things as a result. Perhaps because I've had a illness that took playing rugby away me, I see some of those things a bit more clearly than I did.

                                        on past actions, I'm pretty sure I couldn't understand how Moala got off (and if you look here, you'll see some discussion).

                                        Anyway, setting that aside - Dunshea, if he could be signed, would be awesome.

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                                          @Stargazer

                                          Personally I think that he shouldn't be playing professional rugby right now, but given that he is, I'd prefer him to not wear a Chief's jersey.

                                          The organization that committed to giving him the support to rehabilitate himself (the Landers) should be committed to helping him rehabilitate. So, for him to move on now would indicate that he's either not rehabbed or isn't good enough.

                                          Either way, no thanks. In a couple of years perhaps the kid will be a good player, perhaps an AB. But he still kicked a guy in the head when he was down, and that guy will never be able to do a bunch of things as a result. Perhaps because I've had a illness that took playing rugby away me, I see some of those things a bit more clearly than I did.

                                          on past actions, I'm pretty sure I couldn't understand how Moala got off (and if you look here, you'll see some discussion).

                                          Anyway, setting that aside - Dunshea, if he could be signed, would be awesome.

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                                          @gt12 I was mainly expressing my surprise about (and disagreement with) the selective outrage when players like Reece and Selby-Rickit are getting signed/called-up, but not when other players with similar stories get contracts / black jerseys.

                                          What S-R did was way more serious than any other recent example (Losi Filipo excluded), considering the extensive (physical) damage he did to his victim. I expected a response similar to that of Filipo, who (eventually) lost his contract and had to earn back the right to play rep rugby again.

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