TRC: Pumas v All Blacks
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@Stargazer said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:
I actually think Reece had a good game. He got very few opportunities, but his much-criticised defence was good and he didn't make errors like other players.
Have to agree. I was tempted to say in a game like that where such limited ball made it pass the centres anyone was going to look good on the wing if they just made their tackles... but then there is Jordie...
@rotated said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:
@Stargazer said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:
I actually think Reece had a good game. He got very few opportunities, but his much-criticised defence was good and he didn't make errors like other players.
Have to agree. I was tempted to say in a game like that where such limited ball made it pass the centres anyone was going to look good on the win if they just made their tackles... but then there is Jordie...
He was okay but he's not sniffing the 31 man squad with a game like that
Bender was NZ best backline player alongside B BarrettJordie Barrett at wing won't be happening again Beyond having a big boot he looks lost at sea He might look flash vs Mickey Mouse side like Italy but not in BA
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@Jaguares4real said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:
@98blueandgold said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:
@Machpants disagree because these are the same issues we have been having against good structured D for a few years.
The drop balls are a result of pressure caused by D. We looked rushed rather than threatening. Happening too often. ABs are a tempo team and when teams slow us down it becomes a contest, Eng/Ire/SA having better players at exploiting than Argies. Just structure and issues are sameLargely agree Game was reminiscent of their last 2 games on 2018 EOYT
Eng and Ire played a similar game and both sides were the better side
Sadly for Pumas they did not take their chances and lost the game like Eng
ABs had 23 turnovers & about 13-14 handling errors There was definitely an air of panic in their attack ALOT of 50-50 passes being chucked around carelessly Albeit under immense defensive duress by ARG
Gap has closed btw ABs and rest of Tier 1 nations post 2015 RWC
Do you not understand the concept of keeping your powder dry?
@Crucial said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:
@Jaguares4real said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:
@98blueandgold said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:
@Machpants disagree because these are the same issues we have been having against good structured D for a few years.
The drop balls are a result of pressure caused by D. We looked rushed rather than threatening. Happening too often. ABs are a tempo team and when teams slow us down it becomes a contest, Eng/Ire/SA having better players at exploiting than Argies. Just structure and issues are sameLargely agree Game was reminiscent of their last 2 games on 2018 EOYT
Eng and Ire played a similar game and both sides were the better side
Sadly for Pumas they did not take their chances and lost the game like Eng
ABs had 23 turnovers & about 13-14 handling errors There was definitely an air of panic in their attack ALOT of 50-50 passes being chucked around carelessly Albeit under immense defensive duress by ARG
Gap has closed btw ABs and rest of Tier 1 nations post 2015 RWC
Do you not understand the concept of keeping your powder dry?
Fire away as you seem to know something I'm missing out on.........
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Just watched the Ardie shoulder charge incident again. Disgraceful. Happened right in front of Gardner and he just waved it on. Could very easily have led to a try.
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Angus Gardener is such a shit coach. Pulling penalty calls out of his ass. Offside and playing the guy in the air at the end
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@Rebound said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:
Angus Gardener is such a shit coach. Pulling penalty calls out of his ass. Offside and playing the guy in the air at the end
Don't think he was that bad
@booboo said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:
@Rebound said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:
Angus Gardener is such a shit coach. Pulling penalty calls out of his ass. Offside and playing the guy in the air at the end
Don't think he was that bad
Agree
Don't see what all the whinging is all about
If he missed anything then his AR's + TMO should have spotted it
Failing that players get cited
Folks are making a mountain of a molehill
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@ACT-Crusader Don’t think so. Romano has been off the pace for some time. Hall hasn’t yet made it and the two in front of him deserve their place.
@kev said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:
@ACT-Crusader Don’t think so. Romano has been off the pace for some time. Hall hasn’t yet made it and the two in front of him deserve their place.
That whooshing sound ...
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@rotated said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:
I don't get the love for Cane here. Did nobody see him drop it cold in that second half? Most players who do that get crucified here. He's probably short of a gallop, but at the moment Ardie is easily our best seven.
Probably given his 60 odd test record of quality play you aren't going to crucify a guy for dropping one ball in his first test back from massive back surgery? Just to see him out there not looking massively off the pace is a huge win IMO.
Ah no, I'm not, but that's standard here for some player. But fark me a 60 odd test AB and captain should not be dropping those. That was schoolboy stuff and was massive opportunity missed.
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:
@rotated said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:
I don't get the love for Cane here. Did nobody see him drop it cold in that second half? Most players who do that get crucified here. He's probably short of a gallop, but at the moment Ardie is easily our best seven.
Probably given his 60 odd test record of quality play you aren't going to crucify a guy for dropping one ball in his first test back from massive back surgery? Just to see him out there not looking massively off the pace is a huge win IMO.
Ah no, I'm not, but that's standard here for some player. But fark me a 60 odd test AB and captain should not be dropping those. That was schoolboy stuff and was massive opportunity missed.
I have no idea how Ritchie McCaw lasted so long in the ABs. Must have been teachers pet or summink
That guy used to drop them cold too.
Bloody favourites.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:
@rotated said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:
I don't get the love for Cane here. Did nobody see him drop it cold in that second half? Most players who do that get crucified here. He's probably short of a gallop, but at the moment Ardie is easily our best seven.
Probably given his 60 odd test record of quality play you aren't going to crucify a guy for dropping one ball in his first test back from massive back surgery? Just to see him out there not looking massively off the pace is a huge win IMO.
Ah no, I'm not, but that's standard here for some player. But fark me a 60 odd test AB and captain should not be dropping those. That was schoolboy stuff and was massive opportunity missed.
I have no idea how Ritchie McCaw lasted so long in the ABs. Must have been teachers pet or summink
That guy used to drop them cold too.
Bloody favourites.
@Hooroo said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:
@rotated said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:
I don't get the love for Cane here. Did nobody see him drop it cold in that second half? Most players who do that get crucified here. He's probably short of a gallop, but at the moment Ardie is easily our best seven.
Probably given his 60 odd test record of quality play you aren't going to crucify a guy for dropping one ball in his first test back from massive back surgery? Just to see him out there not looking massively off the pace is a huge win IMO.
Ah no, I'm not, but that's standard here for some player. But fark me a 60 odd test AB and captain should not be dropping those. That was schoolboy stuff and was massive opportunity missed.
I have no idea how Ritchie McCaw lasted so long in the ABs. Must have been teachers pet or summink
That guy used to drop them cold too.
Bloody favourites.
After 60 tests and as captain? I don't think so. You seem to have this image of McCaw circa 2003 and can't get it out of your brain.
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@Hooroo said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:
@rotated said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:
I don't get the love for Cane here. Did nobody see him drop it cold in that second half? Most players who do that get crucified here. He's probably short of a gallop, but at the moment Ardie is easily our best seven.
Probably given his 60 odd test record of quality play you aren't going to crucify a guy for dropping one ball in his first test back from massive back surgery? Just to see him out there not looking massively off the pace is a huge win IMO.
Ah no, I'm not, but that's standard here for some player. But fark me a 60 odd test AB and captain should not be dropping those. That was schoolboy stuff and was massive opportunity missed.
I have no idea how Ritchie McCaw lasted so long in the ABs. Must have been teachers pet or summink
That guy used to drop them cold too.
Bloody favourites.
After 60 tests and as captain? I don't think so. You seem to have this image of McCaw circa 2003 and can't get it out of your brain.
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:
@Hooroo said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:
@rotated said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:
I don't get the love for Cane here. Did nobody see him drop it cold in that second half? Most players who do that get crucified here. He's probably short of a gallop, but at the moment Ardie is easily our best seven.
Probably given his 60 odd test record of quality play you aren't going to crucify a guy for dropping one ball in his first test back from massive back surgery? Just to see him out there not looking massively off the pace is a huge win IMO.
Ah no, I'm not, but that's standard here for some player. But fark me a 60 odd test AB and captain should not be dropping those. That was schoolboy stuff and was massive opportunity missed.
I have no idea how Ritchie McCaw lasted so long in the ABs. Must have been teachers pet or summink
That guy used to drop them cold too.
Bloody favourites.
After 60 tests and as captain? I don't think so. You seem to have this image of McCaw circa 2003 and can't get it out of your brain.
No. No I don’t. He also dropped the ball in his prime. Sometimes knocked it on. I’ve also seen Brodie drop it stone cold too. Maybe we should retrospectively lambast him for a one off event
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@booboo said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:
@Rebound said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:
Angus Gardener is such a shit coach. Pulling penalty calls out of his ass. Offside and playing the guy in the air at the end
Don't think he was that bad
Agree
Don't see what all the whinging is all about
If he missed anything then his AR's + TMO should have spotted it
Failing that players get cited
Folks are making a mountain of a molehill
@Jaguares4real said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:
@booboo said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:
@Rebound said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:
Angus Gardener is such a shit coach. Pulling penalty calls out of his ass. Offside and playing the guy in the air at the end
Don't think he was that bad
Agree
Don't see what all the whinging is all about
If he missed anything then his AR's + TMO should have spotted it
Failing that players get cited
Folks are making a mountain of a molehill
Boulderdash. Reverse the side and you'd be calling for the player's head and demanding the ref be executed.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:
@Hooroo said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:
@rotated said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:
I don't get the love for Cane here. Did nobody see him drop it cold in that second half? Most players who do that get crucified here. He's probably short of a gallop, but at the moment Ardie is easily our best seven.
Probably given his 60 odd test record of quality play you aren't going to crucify a guy for dropping one ball in his first test back from massive back surgery? Just to see him out there not looking massively off the pace is a huge win IMO.
Ah no, I'm not, but that's standard here for some player. But fark me a 60 odd test AB and captain should not be dropping those. That was schoolboy stuff and was massive opportunity missed.
I have no idea how Ritchie McCaw lasted so long in the ABs. Must have been teachers pet or summink
That guy used to drop them cold too.
Bloody favourites.
After 60 tests and as captain? I don't think so. You seem to have this image of McCaw circa 2003 and can't get it out of your brain.
No. No I don’t. He also dropped the ball in his prime. Sometimes knocked it on. I’ve also seen Brodie drop it stone cold too. Maybe we should retrospectively lambast him for a one off event
@Hooroo said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:
@Hooroo said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:
@rotated said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:
I don't get the love for Cane here. Did nobody see him drop it cold in that second half? Most players who do that get crucified here. He's probably short of a gallop, but at the moment Ardie is easily our best seven.
Probably given his 60 odd test record of quality play you aren't going to crucify a guy for dropping one ball in his first test back from massive back surgery? Just to see him out there not looking massively off the pace is a huge win IMO.
Ah no, I'm not, but that's standard here for some player. But fark me a 60 odd test AB and captain should not be dropping those. That was schoolboy stuff and was massive opportunity missed.
I have no idea how Ritchie McCaw lasted so long in the ABs. Must have been teachers pet or summink
That guy used to drop them cold too.
Bloody favourites.
After 60 tests and as captain? I don't think so. You seem to have this image of McCaw circa 2003 and can't get it out of your brain.
No. No I don’t. He also dropped the ball in his prime. Sometimes knocked it on. I’ve also seen Brodie drop it stone cold too. Maybe we should retrospectively lambast him for a one off event
Yes, yes you do. Iirc you also had some bizzarre comment about his attacking skills a while back. He did not drop pill like that as captain.
Are we talking Brodie in this game? He certainly deserves criticism for his tits for hands against Ireland
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@Hooroo said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:
@Hooroo said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:
@rotated said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:
I don't get the love for Cane here. Did nobody see him drop it cold in that second half? Most players who do that get crucified here. He's probably short of a gallop, but at the moment Ardie is easily our best seven.
Probably given his 60 odd test record of quality play you aren't going to crucify a guy for dropping one ball in his first test back from massive back surgery? Just to see him out there not looking massively off the pace is a huge win IMO.
Ah no, I'm not, but that's standard here for some player. But fark me a 60 odd test AB and captain should not be dropping those. That was schoolboy stuff and was massive opportunity missed.
I have no idea how Ritchie McCaw lasted so long in the ABs. Must have been teachers pet or summink
That guy used to drop them cold too.
Bloody favourites.
After 60 tests and as captain? I don't think so. You seem to have this image of McCaw circa 2003 and can't get it out of your brain.
No. No I don’t. He also dropped the ball in his prime. Sometimes knocked it on. I’ve also seen Brodie drop it stone cold too. Maybe we should retrospectively lambast him for a one off event
Yes, yes you do. Iirc you also had some bizzarre comment about his attacking skills a while back. He did not drop pill like that as captain.
Are we talking Brodie in this game? He certainly deserves criticism for his tits for hands against Ireland
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:
@Hooroo said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:
@Hooroo said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:
@rotated said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:
I don't get the love for Cane here. Did nobody see him drop it cold in that second half? Most players who do that get crucified here. He's probably short of a gallop, but at the moment Ardie is easily our best seven.
Probably given his 60 odd test record of quality play you aren't going to crucify a guy for dropping one ball in his first test back from massive back surgery? Just to see him out there not looking massively off the pace is a huge win IMO.
Ah no, I'm not, but that's standard here for some player. But fark me a 60 odd test AB and captain should not be dropping those. That was schoolboy stuff and was massive opportunity missed.
I have no idea how Ritchie McCaw lasted so long in the ABs. Must have been teachers pet or summink
That guy used to drop them cold too.
Bloody favourites.
After 60 tests and as captain? I don't think so. You seem to have this image of McCaw circa 2003 and can't get it out of your brain.
No. No I don’t. He also dropped the ball in his prime. Sometimes knocked it on. I’ve also seen Brodie drop it stone cold too. Maybe we should retrospectively lambast him for a one off event
Yes, yes you do. Iirc you also had some bizzarre comment about his attacking skills a while back. He did not drop pill like that as captain.
Are we talking Brodie in this game? He certainly deserves criticism for his tits for hands against Ireland
Ever?
I can't refute that with evidence but I would be surprised.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:
@Hooroo said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:
@Hooroo said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:
@rotated said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:
I don't get the love for Cane here. Did nobody see him drop it cold in that second half? Most players who do that get crucified here. He's probably short of a gallop, but at the moment Ardie is easily our best seven.
Probably given his 60 odd test record of quality play you aren't going to crucify a guy for dropping one ball in his first test back from massive back surgery? Just to see him out there not looking massively off the pace is a huge win IMO.
Ah no, I'm not, but that's standard here for some player. But fark me a 60 odd test AB and captain should not be dropping those. That was schoolboy stuff and was massive opportunity missed.
I have no idea how Ritchie McCaw lasted so long in the ABs. Must have been teachers pet or summink
That guy used to drop them cold too.
Bloody favourites.
After 60 tests and as captain? I don't think so. You seem to have this image of McCaw circa 2003 and can't get it out of your brain.
No. No I don’t. He also dropped the ball in his prime. Sometimes knocked it on. I’ve also seen Brodie drop it stone cold too. Maybe we should retrospectively lambast him for a one off event
Yes, yes you do. Iirc you also had some bizzarre comment about his attacking skills a while back. He did not drop pill like that as captain.
Are we talking Brodie in this game? He certainly deserves criticism for his tits for hands against Ireland
Ever?
I can't refute that with evidence but I would be surprised.
@booboo said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:
@Hooroo said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:
@Hooroo said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:
@rotated said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:
I don't get the love for Cane here. Did nobody see him drop it cold in that second half? Most players who do that get crucified here. He's probably short of a gallop, but at the moment Ardie is easily our best seven.
Probably given his 60 odd test record of quality play you aren't going to crucify a guy for dropping one ball in his first test back from massive back surgery? Just to see him out there not looking massively off the pace is a huge win IMO.
Ah no, I'm not, but that's standard here for some player. But fark me a 60 odd test AB and captain should not be dropping those. That was schoolboy stuff and was massive opportunity missed.
I have no idea how Ritchie McCaw lasted so long in the ABs. Must have been teachers pet or summink
That guy used to drop them cold too.
Bloody favourites.
After 60 tests and as captain? I don't think so. You seem to have this image of McCaw circa 2003 and can't get it out of your brain.
No. No I don’t. He also dropped the ball in his prime. Sometimes knocked it on. I’ve also seen Brodie drop it stone cold too. Maybe we should retrospectively lambast him for a one off event
Yes, yes you do. Iirc you also had some bizzarre comment about his attacking skills a while back. He did not drop pill like that as captain.
Are we talking Brodie in this game? He certainly deserves criticism for his tits for hands against Ireland
Ever?
I can't refute that with evidence but I would be surprised.
Of course he dropped the ball, but I can't recall a drop like that at. At any rate, we're not talking about McCaw and it was a bad mistake. Can we at least agree on that?
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@booboo said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:
@Hooroo said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:
@Hooroo said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:
@rotated said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:
I don't get the love for Cane here. Did nobody see him drop it cold in that second half? Most players who do that get crucified here. He's probably short of a gallop, but at the moment Ardie is easily our best seven.
Probably given his 60 odd test record of quality play you aren't going to crucify a guy for dropping one ball in his first test back from massive back surgery? Just to see him out there not looking massively off the pace is a huge win IMO.
Ah no, I'm not, but that's standard here for some player. But fark me a 60 odd test AB and captain should not be dropping those. That was schoolboy stuff and was massive opportunity missed.
I have no idea how Ritchie McCaw lasted so long in the ABs. Must have been teachers pet or summink
That guy used to drop them cold too.
Bloody favourites.
After 60 tests and as captain? I don't think so. You seem to have this image of McCaw circa 2003 and can't get it out of your brain.
No. No I don’t. He also dropped the ball in his prime. Sometimes knocked it on. I’ve also seen Brodie drop it stone cold too. Maybe we should retrospectively lambast him for a one off event
Yes, yes you do. Iirc you also had some bizzarre comment about his attacking skills a while back. He did not drop pill like that as captain.
Are we talking Brodie in this game? He certainly deserves criticism for his tits for hands against Ireland
Ever?
I can't refute that with evidence but I would be surprised.
Of course he dropped the ball, but I can't recall a drop like that at. At any rate, we're not talking about McCaw and it was a bad mistake. Can we at least agree on that?
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Los Pumas had the ABs on the rope in 2nd half & didn't knock them out
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I specifically remember Richie dropping one cold in the lead up to RWC15, which was used as ammo for the 'DC and Richie have past it' brigade calling for dropping them.
@Machpants said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:
I specifically remember Richie dropping one cold in the lead up to RWC15, which was used as ammo for the 'DC and Richie have past it' brigade calling for dropping them.
The point is that it's a bad mistake that deserves to be criticized, regardless of whether McCaw, Kronfeld, Mourie, Jones, Hobbs etc. may have done it as well.
