Ashes 2019
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@NTA said in Ashes 2019:
@sparky said in Ashes 2019:
All over. Australia survive on six down.
The lost first hour through rain this morning and their own late declaration scuppered England's chance of victory.
Difficult to say - Aussies could easily pick up 2 quick wickets in that first hour as well and be chasing under 200
We desperately need an opening batsman to stand up next test.
Labuschagne becomes the first concussion substitute in test history and bats well. Apparently the catch to dismiss him was a bit controversial.
One angle showed the ball bounced after Lab hit it.
@ACT-Crusader said in Ashes 2019:
@NTA said in Ashes 2019:
@sparky said in Ashes 2019:
All over. Australia survive on six down.
The lost first hour through rain this morning and their own late declaration scuppered England's chance of victory.
Difficult to say - Aussies could easily pick up 2 quick wickets in that first hour as well and be chasing under 200
We desperately need an opening batsman to stand up next test.
Labuschagne becomes the first concussion substitute in test history and bats well. Apparently the catch to dismiss him was a bit controversial.
One angle showed the ball bounced after Lab hit it.
Which is why we need high speed cameras everywhere - frame-by-frame is a plague
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Snarky comment time.
After Joel Wilson having a shocker in the first test called into being an existential crisis of neutral umprires.
I think it is also time we had the best DRS reviewers, in an ashes series, regardless of what country they are from. Why do Australia have to have a numpty like Tim Paine as a wicketkeeper who obviously couldn't even judge the trajectory of his own torch beam. When there are players like BJ Watling or AB de Villiers being unused.
The Ashes is too big an occasion for this sort of ineptitude.
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@KiwiPie said in Ashes 2019:
Smith has been so dominant this series that even his concussion replacement makes 50.
I hope the England crowd conformed with the ICC like-for-like regulations and booed the hell out of Labuschagne.
@barbarian said in Ashes 2019:
like-for-like regulations
Weird concept really. What exactly is the definition?
As for the booing, Lab hasn't blatantly cheated so it would be a little unfair. I doubt that some fans will ever get over it for Smith or Warner.
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@barbarian said in Ashes 2019:
like-for-like regulations
Weird concept really. What exactly is the definition?
As for the booing, Lab hasn't blatantly cheated so it would be a little unfair. I doubt that some fans will ever get over it for Smith or Warner.
@Snowy said in Ashes 2019:
Weird concept really. What exactly is the definition?
I think it's pretty sensible. When a player is concussed, he can be replaced by a similar player. I'm not sure what the criteria is, but it needs to be approved by the match referee.
As long as teams don't take the piss with it I can't see a problem.
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Jofra Archer
I was feeling a bit of the Graeme Hicks was coming up for Jofra with all the hype in the media leading up to his debut this week. Build him up just to tear him down. But, what a debut.
The Archer v Smith battle was built up in the media specifically, but I admit that I thought that was just micro focussed bluster.
That spell may change so much in this series. He didn't technically dismiss Smith, but he basically did, also removed him from the second innings, with the 3rd test just 3 days away - has he removed him from the 3rd test as well?
Was Smith's strange flustered mini-innings after his concussion test - the innings of a man concussed, or of a man just trying to re-stamp his dominance on the bowlers (the first ball slog), but his dismissal suggested a man all at sea. Concussion? or has his technique/method/mind been scrambled a bit?
I think Smith is a tough bugger, and he'll sort it out. But it makes you wonder. Is his side-on outside off stump positioning meaning he can't sway away from the chest high/neck high bouncers outside off? Is this only found out by the 95mph bowler, or is this something for Broad, Stokes and Woakes to also probe.
Fascinating.
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@Snowy said in Ashes 2019:
Weird concept really. What exactly is the definition?
I think it's pretty sensible. When a player is concussed, he can be replaced by a similar player. I'm not sure what the criteria is, but it needs to be approved by the match referee.
As long as teams don't take the piss with it I can't see a problem.
@barbarian Yeah, I don't have a problem with it, just wondered how it is defined? From the below - pretty vague and up to the ref really.
In the case of NZ and Kane got concussed when we were 8 down would we be allowed to bring in Santner for example to bat and then bowl in the final innings of a test? Kane is a spinner and a batsman.
Unfortunately teams may well take the piss. Tom Williams and the blood rule in rugby for example.
From cricket Aus:
"The regulations specify that a 'like-for-like' replacement must come into the XI for the concussed player, but there is still grey area over what exactly that entails."Every circumstance is going to be different depending on when the player is requested to be replaced," Allardice explained at Edgbaston on Monday.
"If a bowler's injured and they've only got a batting innings left then the decision might be different to if the same player was injured and there was a bowling innings left.
"It's very much around the circumstances around the game and the referees will be given guidelines as will the teams how to interpret those.
"But it's very much around what is the likely role of the injured player for rest of the match and who is most like-for-like with the role that player will play."
He added: "The match referee could put conditions on a player being involved.
"So, if there's an allrounder replacing a batter then he might put a condition that player is unavailable to bowl during the match.
"The referee has some flexibility to best accommodate a like-for-like replacement."
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The trickiest thing for me would be someone like Colin de Grandhomme and Mitchell Santner.
They fill very similar roles for us as players but are suited to very different conditions.
That said, there has to be a concussion sub plus the match situation meaning there would be a benefit in making such a switch.
Santner for Kane wouldn't fly in my book. Top order bat for a bowling all-rounder is not like for like. Glad they've given the match ref some discretion rather than trying to make specific rules though.
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It's got to be common sense - there are going to need to be some situations where it is just best possible/common sense scenario.
For a non-subcontinental tour it is not unusual to take one spinner there is no obvious answer if they go down. If Lyon goes down who comes in? Warne out of the commentary box?
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It's such a rare scenario too. I can't remember ever seeing a Test batsman retire hurt with a concussion until yesterday.
I'm sure it's happened but if we see the sub used once a year I'd be surprised.
@barbarian said in Ashes 2019:
It's such a rare scenario too. I can't remember ever seeing a Test batsman retire hurt with a concussion until yesterday.
I'm sure it's happened but if we see the sub used once a year I'd be surprised.
First time in Test History that the concussion sub rule has been used.
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@barbarian said in Ashes 2019:
It's such a rare scenario too. I can't remember ever seeing a Test batsman retire hurt with a concussion until yesterday.
I'm sure it's happened but if we see the sub used once a year I'd be surprised.
First time in Test History that the concussion sub rule has been used.
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Archer is fucking terrifying at the moment. A languid action gives a 149kg delivery angling sharply up in to the head. And he's accurate with it too. Fuck facing that, i would be next to the square leg umpire.
@mariner4life I totally agree but the reaction from the Pom commentators has been predictable OTT.
I did enjoy the twitter thread about what you'd rather do than face Archer though.
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Steve Smith not available for the Third Test:
https://twitter.com/cricketcomau/status/1163748259246067713?s=20
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@sparky That's a great shame despite in increasing England's chances considerably. The poor bloke has been through the wringer (much of it justified).
@Catogrande said in Ashes 2019:
@sparky That's a great shame despite in increasing England's chances considerably. The poor bloke has been through the wringer (much of it justified).
Yeah. It could be said that he even bought this on himself too i.e. if he had the add ons to his helmet would he be in this position? It might have helped, but unlikely to have made it any worse so why not?
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@NTA said in Ashes 2019:
First time in Test History that the concussion sub rule has been used.
Wasn't it also the first test ever that it existed? So used in %100 of tests so far (just a fluke I know).
@Snowy said in Ashes 2019:
@NTA said in Ashes 2019:
First time in Test History that the concussion sub rule has been used.
Wasn't it also the first test ever that it existed? So used in %100 of tests so far (just a fluke I know).
Third (also in place for the first ashes test and our test vs Sri Lanka)
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Harris gone. c Bairstow b Archer
And they're off for rain again.... English summers....
