Ashes 2019
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@Donsteppa said in Ashes 2019:
@Snowy 2001 when S Waugh was still captain
Right, odd number years of course, when held in England.
Ansett actually folded 2002 but doesn't change the fact - bloody long time ago.
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@Donsteppa said in Ashes 2019:
@Snowy 2001 when S Waugh was still captain
Right, odd number years of course, when held in England.
Ansett actually folded 2002 but doesn't change the fact - bloody long time ago.
@Snowy said in Ashes 2019:
@Donsteppa said in Ashes 2019:
@Snowy 2001 when S Waugh was still captain
Right, odd number years of course, when held in England.
Ansett actually folded 2002 but doesn't change the fact - bloody long time ago.
September 2001? I always remember a One news bulletin where the first half hour was only two stories; 9/11 and the Air NZ/Ansett debacle unfolding.... fun times! Helen Clark having to fly home on an air force plane because of angry ground workers in Melbourne... (Edit: looks like they did indeed briefly rise from the ashes a month later, then Ansett Mark II finally fell to bits in March '02)
2005 saw lots of news stories of 16 year old keen Aussie cricketers in shock that the Baggy Green had lost the Ashes for the first time in their lifetime. Been mostly to and fro since...
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@Snowy said in Ashes 2019:
@Donsteppa said in Ashes 2019:
@Snowy 2001 when S Waugh was still captain
Right, odd number years of course, when held in England.
Ansett actually folded 2002 but doesn't change the fact - bloody long time ago.
September 2001? I always remember a One news bulletin where the first half hour was only two stories; 9/11 and the Air NZ/Ansett debacle unfolding.... fun times! Helen Clark having to fly home on an air force plane because of angry ground workers in Melbourne... (Edit: looks like they did indeed briefly rise from the ashes a month later, then Ansett Mark II finally fell to bits in March '02)
2005 saw lots of news stories of 16 year old keen Aussie cricketers in shock that the Baggy Green had lost the Ashes for the first time in their lifetime. Been mostly to and fro since...
@Donsteppa said in Ashes 2019:
Edit: looks like they did indeed briefly rise from the ashes a month later, then Ansett Mark II finally fell to bits in March '02
Yeah it was a token gesture I think. Can't remember all of the facts, just I had a load of ex Ansett guys flying with me in 2002.
As for the Ashes - a large yellow band there in that era for sure.
I'd like to see one of those for the Bledisloe.
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Nice to get the job done. I reckon if England got away with the draw we'd struggle to back up in the 5th test.
The decision to bowl Marnus was a beauty from Paine.
@barbarian said in Ashes 2019:
Nice to get the job done. I reckon if England got away with the draw we'd struggle to back up in the 5th test.
The decision to bowl Marnus was a beauty from Paine.
Agreed. I would have been very nervous heading into a decider.
The fact that it took until the last hour is a measure of the pitch and the lack of menace from Lyon. Not his best series after being given fairly friendly conditions.
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So it transpires that Australia can in fact win tests without resorting to boorish, aggressive, head-butting-the-line on-field behaviour. Who knew?
Well done to Tim Paine et al.
Smith obviously a big factor in the performances, but Cummins and Hazelwood have been outstanding too imo.
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So it transpires that Australia can in fact win tests without resorting to boorish, aggressive, head-butting-the-line on-field behaviour. Who knew?
Well done to Tim Paine et al.
Smith obviously a big factor in the performances, but Cummins and Hazelwood have been outstanding too imo.
@Billy-Webb The BBC did a resume of why England failed to regain the urn and they cited Smith, batting collapses, the weather, too much attention to one day cricket but ended up saying that at the moment Australia are just a better team.
Hard to argue.
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My concern going into the series was our bowlers getting out-Duked. Broad is still bowling bloody well - to left-handers - but when Anderson broke, and Smith started grinding the others into the deck, just plain discipline helped us win the vital sessions.
I am still mindful of the loss from having bowled England out for 67... that makes me shake my head given we had easy opportunities to take it.
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My concern going into the series was our bowlers getting out-Duked. Broad is still bowling bloody well - to left-handers - but when Anderson broke, and Smith started grinding the others into the deck, just plain discipline helped us win the vital sessions.
I am still mindful of the loss from having bowled England out for 67... that makes me shake my head given we had easy opportunities to take it.
@NTA said in Ashes 2019:
My concern going into the series was our bowlers getting out-Duked. Broad is still bowling bloody well - to left-handers - but when Anderson broke, and Smith started grinding the others into the deck, just plain discipline helped us win the vital sessions.
I am still mindful of the loss from having bowled England out for 67... that makes me shake my head given we had easy opportunities to take it.
Test match mentality.
Edit: Warner "That's the way I play" aside.
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My concern going into the series was our bowlers getting out-Duked. Broad is still bowling bloody well - to left-handers - but when Anderson broke, and Smith started grinding the others into the deck, just plain discipline helped us win the vital sessions.
I am still mindful of the loss from having bowled England out for 67... that makes me shake my head given we had easy opportunities to take it.
@NTA The loss of Anderson was a big blow to England. Whether he would've troubled Smith more than the others have we will never know, but England have missed having him available. As you say, Broad has really stepped it up and Archer has been good at moments. An attack of those two, plus Anderson... but woulda shoulda.
For my money, Paine benefited immensely from having a reliable pair like Cummins and Hazelwood at his disposal. While Lyon and Starc and Siddle could blow hot and cold, he had 2 guys to turn to who I can't recall having one poor spell.
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@Donsteppa said in Ashes 2019:
Edit: looks like they did indeed briefly rise from the ashes a month later, then Ansett Mark II finally fell to bits in March '02
Yeah it was a token gesture I think. Can't remember all of the facts, just I had a load of ex Ansett guys flying with me in 2002.
As for the Ashes - a large yellow band there in that era for sure.
I'd like to see one of those for the Bledisloe.
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@NTA The loss of Anderson was a big blow to England. Whether he would've troubled Smith more than the others have we will never know, but England have missed having him available. As you say, Broad has really stepped it up and Archer has been good at moments. An attack of those two, plus Anderson... but woulda shoulda.
For my money, Paine benefited immensely from having a reliable pair like Cummins and Hazelwood at his disposal. While Lyon and Starc and Siddle could blow hot and cold, he had 2 guys to turn to who I can't recall having one poor spell.
@Billy-Webb You'd always want Anderson in English conditions although I don't think they would have been the ideal pitches for him. And at 37, he surely can't go on much longer.
Amazingly, Hazelwood wasn't even picked for the 1st test which seems bizarre looking back. English batsmen have got better at playing Lyon and with only 2 left-handers in their top order, he is not as effective - not to mention Moeen being dropped meant 2 fewer wickets per match for Nathan.
On Roy, all the English pundits were convinced that he should be given a go for the Ashes despite being a notable flat track bully who looks all at sea against the moving ball. I'm not sure what they will do with him - especially if he makes some runs at the Oval.
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@Chris-B Nice.
I was just going to do a black line. It does show the bad patch we had late 90s.
I don't recall such a thing in the late 70s though. Probably just blanked it out, I was young and trauma isn't good for young folk.
@Snowy Australia won in 1979 and 1980 and it wasn't contested in 1981.
I recall some of that tour to Australia - we played Sydney first up and they had pretty much the NSW team and most of the Australian team and declared themselves favourites. Ended up a draw so it wasn't an outrageous claim.
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@Billy-Webb You'd always want Anderson in English conditions although I don't think they would have been the ideal pitches for him. And at 37, he surely can't go on much longer.
Amazingly, Hazelwood wasn't even picked for the 1st test which seems bizarre looking back. English batsmen have got better at playing Lyon and with only 2 left-handers in their top order, he is not as effective - not to mention Moeen being dropped meant 2 fewer wickets per match for Nathan.
On Roy, all the English pundits were convinced that he should be given a go for the Ashes despite being a notable flat track bully who looks all at sea against the moving ball. I'm not sure what they will do with him - especially if he makes some runs at the Oval.
@KiwiPie said in Ashes 2019:
On Roy, all the English pundits were convinced that he should be given a go for the Ashes despite being a notable flat track bully who looks all at sea against the moving ball.
He could make the simplest adjustment to his technique and avoid that issue tho - the fucking gate he leaves for the seaming in-ducker is criminal.
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@KiwiPie said in Ashes 2019:
On Roy, all the English pundits were convinced that he should be given a go for the Ashes despite being a notable flat track bully who looks all at sea against the moving ball.
He could make the simplest adjustment to his technique and avoid that issue tho - the fucking gate he leaves for the seaming in-ducker is criminal.
@NTA said in Ashes 2019:
@KiwiPie said in Ashes 2019:
On Roy, all the English pundits were convinced that he should be given a go for the Ashes despite being a notable flat track bully who looks all at sea against the moving ball.
He could make the simplest adjustment to his technique and avoid that issue tho - the fucking gate he leaves for the seaming in-ducker is criminal.
He seems to have concrete in his boots. From that firm base, he jabs hard at the ball to defend it. Very strange.
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So it transpires that Australia can in fact win tests without resorting to boorish, aggressive, head-butting-the-line on-field behaviour. Who knew?
Well done to Tim Paine et al.
Smith obviously a big factor in the performances, but Cummins and Hazelwood have been outstanding too imo.
@Billy-Webb said in Ashes 2019:
So it transpires that Australia can in fact win tests without resorting to boorish, aggressive, head-butting-the-line on-field behaviour. Who knew?
Well done to Tim Paine et al.
Maybe not.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=12266258
They were on the pitch too.
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@Billy-Webb said in Ashes 2019:
So it transpires that Australia can in fact win tests without resorting to boorish, aggressive, head-butting-the-line on-field behaviour. Who knew?
Well done to Tim Paine et al.
Maybe not.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=12266258
They were on the pitch too.
@Snowy Good on them - looks like they had a lot of (mostly) good natured fun, enjoyed a huge moment for the first time since '01, and fired a few shots back at the English crowd who've been at them for months.
After the English taking a slash outside off-stump on the pitch at the Oval that time, The Sun is in a glass house as usual.
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Ha! Eat 50 shades of dick newspaper clowns. You probably didn't say shit when your chav crowd booed everything Smith did, or criticise the umpires when your team stole a CWC. Now you want to take the moral high ground?
I've said it before and I'll say it again: Boo that you fluffybunnies!
