Bledisloe #1
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@Duluth If he goes to the RWC it is as a fullback who can play midfield in an emergency. Doesn't have the gas now to play Wing at International level.
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@Duluth If he goes to the RWC it is as a fullback who can play midfield in an emergency. Doesn't have the gas now to play Wing at International level.
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@Duluth If he goes to the RWC it is as a fullback who can play midfield in an emergency. Doesn't have the gas now to play Wing at International level.
@sparky said in Bledisloe #1:
@Duluth If he goes to the RWC it is as a fullback who can play midfield in an emergency. Doesn't have the gas now to play Wing at International level.
Don't think he should be anywhere near the midfield except in dire emergency.
I'm pretty sure he started 7 games on the right wing for the ABs last year and only 5 at fullback, so he might not be a completely spent force on the wing.
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@hydro11 said in Bledisloe #1:
@Mokey said in Bledisloe #1:
@Kirwan That is seriously scary. It's hard to remember when they last played such a terrible all round game to the point of screwing up the basics like ball retention and not kicking it away all the time. Add in shite discipline...and yeah.
We have played much worse games than this IMO. The win against Argentina was a worse performance for sure.
Don't think the defence was as poor in that game.
@akan004 said in Bledisloe #1:
@hydro11 said in Bledisloe #1:
@Mokey said in Bledisloe #1:
@Kirwan That is seriously scary. It's hard to remember when they last played such a terrible all round game to the point of screwing up the basics like ball retention and not kicking it away all the time. Add in shite discipline...and yeah.
We have played much worse games than this IMO. The win against Argentina was a worse performance for sure.
Don't think the defence was as poor in that game.
The ARG game has been ABs best performance this year to date
Their defence was exceptional 90% tackles made and saved 2-3 certain tries for PumasDespite all the back slaps Boks got for their game vs ABs
They were clueless in attack & never looked liked scoring for 79 minsBit of magic from Kolbe & A Smith clocking off in defence led to their only try
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@Stargazer said in Bledisloe #1:
Ah, another TSF meltdown. Everyone completely overreacting as usual.
I would argue that we have been under-reacting for the past year as the coaches have served up dross in game after game. The side really hasn't been the same since Wayne Smith left.
Today's performance was worse than dross. It's where arrogance leads you. Mickey Mouse Hansen should be ashamed.
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If this same team turns up next week and beats the piss out of the Wallabies I will be even more fucked off.
@mariner4life #powderdry #except4EP
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@Chris-B Thought Mo'unga wasn't that bad either but like you said, can we afford to have three smallish and relatively weak defenders in Smith, Barrett and Mo'unga. I don't think we can, especially when the pack is showing fuck all physical presence.
@akan004 said in Bledisloe #1:
can we afford to have three smallish and relatively weak defenders in Smith, Barrett and Mo'unga?
I wouldn't put BB down as a relatively weak defender. He's actually pretty solid and exceptional at cover defence.
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@akan004 said in Bledisloe #1:
@hydro11 said in Bledisloe #1:
@Mokey said in Bledisloe #1:
@Kirwan That is seriously scary. It's hard to remember when they last played such a terrible all round game to the point of screwing up the basics like ball retention and not kicking it away all the time. Add in shite discipline...and yeah.
We have played much worse games than this IMO. The win against Argentina was a worse performance for sure.
Don't think the defence was as poor in that game.
The ARG game has been ABs best performance this year to date
Their defence was exceptional 90% tackles made and saved 2-3 certain tries for PumasDespite all the back slaps Boks got for their game vs ABs
They were clueless in attack & never looked liked scoring for 79 minsBit of magic from Kolbe & A Smith clocking off in defence led to their only try
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@akan004 said in Bledisloe #1:
can we afford to have three smallish and relatively weak defenders in Smith, Barrett and Mo'unga?
I wouldn't put BB down as a relatively weak defender. He's actually pretty solid and exceptional at cover defence.
@Victor-Meldrew Fair point.
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@sparky said in Bledisloe #1:
@Duluth If he goes to the RWC it is as a fullback who can play midfield in an emergency. Doesn't have the gas now to play Wing at International level.
Don't think he should be anywhere near the midfield except in dire emergency.
I'm pretty sure he started 7 games on the right wing for the ABs last year and only 5 at fullback, so he might not be a completely spent force on the wing.
@Chris-B said in Bledisloe #1:
@sparky said in Bledisloe #1:
@Duluth If he goes to the RWC it is as a fullback who can play midfield in an emergency. Doesn't have the gas now to play Wing at International level.
Don't think he should be anywhere near the midfield except in dire emergency.
I'm pretty sure he started 7 games on the right wing for the ABs last year and only 5 at fullback, so he might not be a completely spent force on the wing.
Didn’t DMac start a few games at fullback last year?
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@Stargazer said in Bledisloe #1:
Ah, another TSF meltdown. Everyone completely overreacting as usual.
I would argue that we have been under-reacting for the past year as the coaches have served up dross in game after game. The side really hasn't been the same since Wayne Smith left.
Today's performance was worse than dross. It's where arrogance leads you. Mickey Mouse Hansen should be ashamed.
@sparky said in Bledisloe #1:
@Stargazer said in Bledisloe #1:
Ah, another TSF meltdown. Everyone completely overreacting as usual.
I would argue that we have been under-reacting for the past year as the coaches have served up dross in game after game. The side really hasn't been the same since Wayne Smith left.
Today's performance was worse than dross. It's where arrogance leads you. Mickey Mouse Hansen should be ashamed.
There has been more than a whiff of complacency from AB supporters/media
Signs have been there Last 6-8 serious Test matches
I'll also add: Boy do ABs miss Damien McKenzieEven more recently you have NZ Super Rugby sides look distinctly average Saders & Canes were on a different level to their local SR rivals
The bad news is the ABs weaknesses will be exacerbated in 2020 when there's no BBBR Whitelock Read Crotty Franks Bender
2019 RWC is a open Comp It won't be a cakewalk for ABs as it was in 2011 + 2015 Tournaments
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@sparky said in Bledisloe #1:
@Stargazer said in Bledisloe #1:
Ah, another TSF meltdown. Everyone completely overreacting as usual.
I would argue that we have been under-reacting for the past year as the coaches have served up dross in game after game. The side really hasn't been the same since Wayne Smith left.
Today's performance was worse than dross. It's where arrogance leads you. Mickey Mouse Hansen should be ashamed.
There has been more than a whiff of complacency from AB supporters/media
Signs have been there Last 6-8 serious Test matches
I'll also add: Boy do ABs miss Damien McKenzieEven more recently you have NZ Super Rugby sides look distinctly average Saders & Canes were on a different level to their local SR rivals
The bad news is the ABs weaknesses will be exacerbated in 2020 when there's no BBBR Whitelock Read Crotty Franks Bender
2019 RWC is a open Comp It won't be a cakewalk for ABs as it was in 2011 + 2015 Tournaments
@Jaguares4real 2011 was a cakewalk? Last time I checked we won the final by 1 point and we lost what was it 9 or 10 1st 5’s
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@ACT-Crusader next week has the Bledisloe and a long record at EP on the line...
@taniwharugby said in Bledisloe #1:
@ACT-Crusader next week has the Bledisloe and a long record at EP on the line...
After shipping 47 points, I am very pessimistic about Eden Park next week. The Aussies with their tails up and fired up as hell. The ABs all over the shop, with so much to fix and stinking of complacency. The coaches using discipline as an excuse when they need to have a hard state in the mirror to realise what has gone wrong. Looks to be like the Wallabies will have an appointment with Lord Bledisloe next Saturday.
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@sparky said in Bledisloe #1:
@Stargazer said in Bledisloe #1:
Ah, another TSF meltdown. Everyone completely overreacting as usual.
I would argue that we have been under-reacting for the past year as the coaches have served up dross in game after game. The side really hasn't been the same since Wayne Smith left.
Today's performance was worse than dross. It's where arrogance leads you. Mickey Mouse Hansen should be ashamed.
There has been more than a whiff of complacency from AB supporters/media
Signs have been there Last 6-8 serious Test matches
I'll also add: Boy do ABs miss Damien McKenzieEven more recently you have NZ Super Rugby sides look distinctly average Saders & Canes were on a different level to their local SR rivals
The bad news is the ABs weaknesses will be exacerbated in 2020 when there's no BBBR Whitelock Read Crotty Franks Bender
2019 RWC is a open Comp It won't be a cakewalk for ABs as it was in 2011 + 2015 Tournaments
@Jaguares4real said in Bledisloe #1:
@sparky said in Bledisloe #1:
@Stargazer said in Bledisloe #1:
Ah, another TSF meltdown. Everyone completely overreacting as usual.
I would argue that we have been under-reacting for the past year as the coaches have served up dross in game after game. The side really hasn't been the same since Wayne Smith left.
Today's performance was worse than dross. It's where arrogance leads you. Mickey Mouse Hansen should be ashamed.
There has been more than a whiff of complacency from AB supporters/media
Signs have been there Last 6-8 serious Test matches
I'll also add: Boy do ABs miss Damien McKenzieEven more recently you have NZ Super Rugby sides look distinctly average Saders & Canes were on a different level to their local SR rivals
The bad news is the ABs weaknesses will be exacerbated in 2020 when there's no BBBR Whitelock Read Crotty Franks Bender
2019 RWC is a open Comp It won't be a cakewalk for ABs as it was in 2011 + 2015 Tournaments
Cakewalk?
2011 was 8-7. And we wouldn't have even made the semi's in 2015 without some Ma'a magic in the last 10 minutes
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@taniwharugby said in Bledisloe #1:
@ACT-Crusader next week has the Bledisloe and a long record at EP on the line...
After shipping 47 points, I am very pessimistic about Eden Park next week. The Aussies with their tails up and fired up as hell. The ABs all over the shop, with so much to fix and stinking of complacency. The coaches using discipline as an excuse when they need to have a hard state in the mirror to realise what has gone wrong. Looks to be like the Wallabies will have an appointment with Lord Bledisloe next Saturday.
@sparky said in Bledisloe #1:
After shipping 47 points, I am very pessimistic about Eden Park next week. The Aussies with their tails up and fired up as hell.
I think we'll be fine
Even if we pick the same side (minus the overrated idiot in the second row), I think this fluffy style still plays well against the Aussies.
I'm worried about the more attritional sides that we might come up against in the RWC.Hopefully we make changes and win. Not making changes and winning is not a good thing in the long run
