Bledisloe #1
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Don't understand why the Aucklanders here are all laying into Mo'unga, he was one of the better ones.
Oh, that's right.
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@Steven-Harris My contention is that Hansen has handled him wrong, as Graham Henry pointed out. The same way Hansen f*cked up with Steven Luatua - a better player than any of the bums available now.
@Tim said in Bledisloe #1:
@Steven-Harris My contention is that Hansen has handled him wrong, as Graham Henry pointed out. The same way Hansen f*cked up with Steven Luatua - a better player than any of the bums available now.
After the way he played against the Lions I really thought the AB coaches would be all over him, moulding him into a Kaino-style 6. I mean the AB coaches are meant to be the best around, surely we could expect them to make the most of the talent we have available? Add that to the fact they’ve persevered with people like Fifita and it doesn’t make a lot of sense.
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A few things stood out for me even accounting for the Red Card
No apparent game plan
Stupid chip kicks
A desire to go wide too early instead of doing the Hard yards up front.
Savea and Cane does not work we need a power forward at 6
Put Barrett back to First Five Ritchie back to the bench
we need RM and Ardies impact from the bench against tiring defences
Sorry I love Bender but he's too slow for wing
Finisher on the other wing maybe Reece need some X factor
And I hate to admit it but maybe SBW back as a point of difference.
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@Tim said in Bledisloe #1:
@Steven-Harris My contention is that Hansen has handled him wrong, as Graham Henry pointed out. The same way Hansen f*cked up with Steven Luatua - a better player than any of the bums available now.
After the way he played against the Lions I really thought the AB coaches would be all over him, moulding him into a Kaino-style 6. I mean the AB coaches are meant to be the best around, surely we could expect them to make the most of the talent we have available? Add that to the fact they’ve persevered with people like Fifita and it doesn’t make a lot of sense.
@No-Quarter said in Bledisloe #1:
After the way he played against the Lions I really thought the AB coaches would be all over him, moulding him into a Kaino-style 6. I mean the AB coaches are meant to be the best around, surely we could expect them to make the most of the talent we have available? Add that to the fact they’ve preserved with people like Fifita and it doesn’t make a lot of sense.
Yep, the idea that Fifita has a better workrate or fitness than Ioane is insane.
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@Stargazer said in Bledisloe #1:
Ah, another TSF meltdown. Everyone completely overreacting as usual.
A 20 point hiding added to the 2 previous shit performances.... I don’t think anyone is over reacting.
I haven’t seen anything positive enough in these last three games to fill me with any sort of confidence.
Forgive me if I’m not singing from the rooftops.
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Very keen to hear the press conferences on this one. Hansen has been saying that the Bledisloe and RWC prep are the only two goals this domestic season. Just like he said the Irish fixture would decide the world number one team once and for all and how the Lions series was the pinnacle of International Rugby.
Hansen keeps setting these goals yet failing at the hurdle and then trotting out the "It's just rugby, the sun will rise tomorrow, they were the better team etc etc"
I genuinely believe we have the cattle to retain the Bledisloe and win the RWC and the tactial and selection issues can be resolved fairly quickly on the back of a napkin having a couple of beers with Wayne Smith - it looks ugly but it's not catastrophic. The psychological issues in the team I'm not so sure, there are two groups that seem to be contributing to the malaise at the moment...
The Tew/Hansen/Read types who have cemented their legacy and will be nowhere to be found when it comes time to mopping up an RWC exit. Hasnen also better have a good look at Titch - one minute you are the very definition of a world class coach, the next minute you are so far off the pace Japan are touching you up.
The Barrett/Smith/Smith/SBW types who won a RWC on the backs of the old guard but seemingly feel like they played a bigger role than they did. They are now the old guard and are providing none of the leadership and stability which is needed.
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@Stargazer said in Bledisloe #1:
Ah, another TSF meltdown. Everyone completely overreacting as usual.
A 20 point hiding added to the 2 previous shit performances.... I don’t think anyone is over reacting.
I haven’t seen anything positive enough in these last three games to fill me with any sort of confidence.
Forgive me if I’m not singing from the rooftops.
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@Stargazer said in Bledisloe #1:
Ah, another TSF meltdown. Everyone completely overreacting as usual.
A 20 point hiding added to the 2 previous shit performances.... I don’t think anyone is over reacting.
I haven’t seen anything positive enough in these last three games to fill me with any sort of confidence.
Forgive me if I’m not singing from the rooftops.
@Gunner said in Bledisloe #1:
A 20 point hiding added to the 2 previous shit performances.... I don’t think anyone is over reacting.
Before I can figure out if we are overreacting when you say two previous shit performances are you talking South Africa/Argentina this year or Ireland/England at the end of last year?
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Very keen to hear the press conferences on this one. Hansen has been saying that the Bledisloe and RWC prep are the only two goals this domestic season. Just like he said the Irish fixture would decide the world number one team once and for all and how the Lions series was the pinnacle of International Rugby.
Hansen keeps setting these goals yet failing at the hurdle and then trotting out the "It's just rugby, the sun will rise tomorrow, they were the better team etc etc"
I genuinely believe we have the cattle to retain the Bledisloe and win the RWC and the tactial and selection issues can be resolved fairly quickly on the back of a napkin having a couple of beers with Wayne Smith - it looks ugly but it's not catastrophic. The psychological issues in the team I'm not so sure, there are two groups that seem to be contributing to the malaise at the moment...
The Tew/Hansen/Read types who have cemented their legacy and will be nowhere to be found when it comes time to mopping up an RWC exit. Hasnen also better have a good look at Titch - one minute you are the very definition of a world class coach, the next minute you are so far off the pace Japan are touching you up.
The Barrett/Smith/Smith/SBW types who won a RWC on the backs of the old guard but seemingly feel like they played a bigger role than they did. They are now the old guard and are providing none of the leadership and stability which is needed.
@rotated I think we are capable of beating anyone , but don’t think there is a gap between us and our rivals anymore.
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@Steven-Harris My contention is that Hansen has handled him wrong, as Graham Henry pointed out. The same way Hansen f*cked up with Steven Luatua - a better player than any of the bums available now.
@Tim said in Bledisloe #1:
@Steven-Harris My contention is that Hansen has handled him wrong, as Graham Henry pointed out. The same way Hansen f*cked up with Steven Luatua - a better player than any of the bums available now.
Luatua was fucked over
Guy has been carving it up for Bristol in English Prem
He would walk into ABs #6 shirt today
He's a much better player than Teddy Bear Fifita, Frizell and SquirePiatau as well would do a good job at wing
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83-28. That stat is the Aussie vs ABs starting forwards no. of carries. I know stats of possession are heavily in favour of Aussies but I have been harking into this for a while. Modern defences can handle us a little better. We struggle to make in-roads because we no threats! Moody and Franks 1 combined carry!!!!
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@Gunner said in Bledisloe #1:
A 20 point hiding added to the 2 previous shit performances.... I don’t think anyone is over reacting.
Before I can figure out if we are overreacting when you say two previous shit performances are you talking South Africa/Argentina this year or Ireland/England at the end of last year?
Having been a wee bit crap for the last 2 years, I thought the AB's played really bloody well in the 2nd half to win at Twickenham in Nov '18. Took guts, leadership and a collective team performance.
I thought that perhaps a corner had been turned.
How wrong I was.
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83-28. That stat is the Aussie vs ABs starting forwards no. of carries. I know stats of possession are heavily in favour of Aussies but I have been harking into this for a while. Modern defences can handle us a little better. We struggle to make in-roads because we no threats! Moody and Franks 1 combined carry!!!!
@98blueandgold I've thought that Hansen plays favourites for a long time. It's pretty shocking how bad those two are.
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that was a brutal reality check, and i would love to think there is something to say that it was part of some master plan
Our pack is shit. shit. Moody and Franks are bog ordinary props who scrum okay but that's it. Coles is good, but only in the wide channels. S Barrett is a substandard inernational lock. Which unbalances S whitelock. Savea was good, but as a 7, i thought read was pretty good, Cane was poor. Unsurprisingly it was unbalanced. Our pack reeks of 2003.
Mounga was fucking shit. Take some sort of control you are wearing 10. There is bugger all talking about the rest of the backline because they were bsing shovelled shit. Except Ben Smith, who looks terrible
We are in a deep deep hole
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@Mokey said in Bledisloe #1:
@Kirwan That is seriously scary. It's hard to remember when they last played such a terrible all round game to the point of screwing up the basics like ball retention and not kicking it away all the time. Add in shite discipline...and yeah.
We have played much worse games than this IMO. The win against Argentina was a worse performance for sure.
@hydro11 said in Bledisloe #1:
@Mokey said in Bledisloe #1:
@Kirwan That is seriously scary. It's hard to remember when they last played such a terrible all round game to the point of screwing up the basics like ball retention and not kicking it away all the time. Add in shite discipline...and yeah.
We have played much worse games than this IMO. The win against Argentina was a worse performance for sure.
Don't think the defence was as poor in that game.
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83-28. That stat is the Aussie vs ABs starting forwards no. of carries. I know stats of possession are heavily in favour of Aussies but I have been harking into this for a while. Modern defences can handle us a little better. We struggle to make in-roads because we no threats! Moody and Franks 1 combined carry!!!!
@98blueandgold said in Bledisloe #1:
83-28. That stat is the Aussie vs ABs starting forwards no. of carries. I know stats of possession are heavily in favour of Aussies but I have been harking into this for a while. Modern defences can handle us a little better. We struggle to make in-roads because we no threats! Moody and Franks 1 combined carry!!!!
It shows Aus we’re making yards up the middle, something they ABs don’t seem to want to do anymore despite it being obviously the best tactic in test rugby.
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@Gunner said in Bledisloe #1:
A 20 point hiding added to the 2 previous shit performances.... I don’t think anyone is over reacting.
Before I can figure out if we are overreacting when you say two previous shit performances are you talking South Africa/Argentina this year or Ireland/England at the end of last year?
@rotated said in Bledisloe #1:
@Gunner said in Bledisloe #1:
A 20 point hiding added to the 2 previous shit performances.... I don’t think anyone is over reacting.
Before I can figure out if we are overreacting when you say two previous shit performances are you talking South Africa/Argentina this year or Ireland/England at the end of last year?
I wasn’t even taking into account last year.
So that makes it 5 shit games in a row.
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Mounga looked overawed and Barrett was stepping up big time in that 2nd half. To be fair with a red card, sold out stadium and an unusually rampaging wallabies against us being overawed is perfectly normal for a newbie.
Very disappointing result but hard to say how this promising team went as the carding threw a right wrench in the works...it would also be unfair to say the result was entirely due to the card, the Wallabies were excellent, fast paced rugby, starving us of possession and never taking their foot off the throat. Very un-wallaby like!
Silver lining is the kick in the ass at the right time, we were starting to click just prior to the carding and there were some glimpses of brilliance as we got desperate. Read,Coles,ALB and Barrett all to my mind looked good and we still scored 2 tries with a man down.
One more silver lining is next week is now an absolute must see event. Can't wait!
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@Steven-Harris My contention is that Hansen has handled him wrong, as Graham Henry pointed out. The same way Hansen f*cked up with Steven Luatua - a better player than any of the bums available now.
@Tim said in Bledisloe #1:
@Steven-Harris My contention is that Hansen has handled him wrong, as Graham Henry pointed out. The same way Hansen f*cked up with Steven Luatua - a better player than any of the bums available now.
Maybe. Weepu and Nonu both nearly walked to league after being treated similarly in 2007 and Kaino could have easily gone to Europe at the same time without too much concern. It turns out higher standards for all three was what was required. Who is to know, but it does seem they are holding Akira to a different standard to most others.
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@Steven-Harris My contention is that Hansen has handled him wrong, as Graham Henry pointed out. The same way Hansen f*cked up with Steven Luatua - a better player than any of the bums available now.
@Tim we are not talking about an 18 year old , we are talking about a talented grown man that needs to work out in life what is required to become the best that he can be as a professional rugby player.
I don’t think Hansen suffers fools, it’s not a class for slow learners,
I am still trying to work what you do with a guy who turns up to an All Black training camp and then decides he should go out drinking until 3 in the morning.
I am still trying to work out how Hansen could have handled a guy who obviously can’t be told ..and boy does it not show up in his game..If you are given a simple task, you complete the task required.
As for Henry, he can count his lucky stars he was’nt railroaded after the 2007 RWC debacle..
