Bledisloe #1
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@Steven-Harris My contention is that Hansen has handled him wrong, as Graham Henry pointed out. The same way Hansen f*cked up with Steven Luatua - a better player than any of the bums available now.
@Tim said in Bledisloe #1:
@Steven-Harris My contention is that Hansen has handled him wrong, as Graham Henry pointed out. The same way Hansen f*cked up with Steven Luatua - a better player than any of the bums available now.
Maybe. Weepu and Nonu both nearly walked to league after being treated similarly in 2007 and Kaino could have easily gone to Europe at the same time without too much concern. It turns out higher standards for all three was what was required. Who is to know, but it does seem they are holding Akira to a different standard to most others.
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@Steven-Harris My contention is that Hansen has handled him wrong, as Graham Henry pointed out. The same way Hansen f*cked up with Steven Luatua - a better player than any of the bums available now.
@Tim we are not talking about an 18 year old , we are talking about a talented grown man that needs to work out in life what is required to become the best that he can be as a professional rugby player.
I don’t think Hansen suffers fools, it’s not a class for slow learners,
I am still trying to work what you do with a guy who turns up to an All Black training camp and then decides he should go out drinking until 3 in the morning.
I am still trying to work out how Hansen could have handled a guy who obviously can’t be told ..and boy does it not show up in his game..If you are given a simple task, you complete the task required.
As for Henry, he can count his lucky stars he was’nt railroaded after the 2007 RWC debacle.. -
that was a brutal reality check, and i would love to think there is something to say that it was part of some master plan
Our pack is shit. shit. Moody and Franks are bog ordinary props who scrum okay but that's it. Coles is good, but only in the wide channels. S Barrett is a substandard inernational lock. Which unbalances S whitelock. Savea was good, but as a 7, i thought read was pretty good, Cane was poor. Unsurprisingly it was unbalanced. Our pack reeks of 2003.
Mounga was fucking shit. Take some sort of control you are wearing 10. There is bugger all talking about the rest of the backline because they were bsing shovelled shit. Except Ben Smith, who looks terrible
We are in a deep deep hole
@mariner4life said in Bledisloe #1:
that was a brutal reality check, and i would love to think there is something to say that it was part of some master plan
Our pack is shit. shit. Moody and Franks are bog ordinary props who scrum okay but that's it. Coles is good, but only in the wide channels. S Barrett is a substandard inernational lock. Which unbalances S whitelock. Savea was good, but as a 7, i thought read was pretty good, Cane was poor. Unsurprisingly it was unbalanced. Our pack reeks of 2003.
Mounga was fucking shit. Take some sort of control you are wearing 10. There is bugger all talking about the rest of the backline because they were bsing shovelled shit. Except Ben Smith, who looks terrible
We are in a deep deep hole
And we will probably win next week , which will be a band aid for all the problems that will resurface later
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@Gunner said in Bledisloe #1:
A 20 point hiding added to the 2 previous shit performances.... I don’t think anyone is over reacting.
Before I can figure out if we are overreacting when you say two previous shit performances are you talking South Africa/Argentina this year or Ireland/England at the end of last year?
@rotated said in Bledisloe #1:
@Gunner said in Bledisloe #1:
A 20 point hiding added to the 2 previous shit performances.... I don’t think anyone is over reacting.
Before I can figure out if we are overreacting when you say two previous shit performances are you talking South Africa/Argentina this year or Ireland/England at the end of last year?
I would go further: ABs lost to Wallabies & SA
They should have lost to Pumas in BA & ENG in London + Boks in Pretoria
Draw vs Boks as well
Their last good performance vs Serious competition was against Pumas last year in 2018 TRC in Buenos Ares
I dismissed the games vs Tier 2 nations in Italy & Japan
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that was a brutal reality check, and i would love to think there is something to say that it was part of some master plan
Our pack is shit. shit. Moody and Franks are bog ordinary props who scrum okay but that's it. Coles is good, but only in the wide channels. S Barrett is a substandard inernational lock. Which unbalances S whitelock. Savea was good, but as a 7, i thought read was pretty good, Cane was poor. Unsurprisingly it was unbalanced. Our pack reeks of 2003.
Mounga was fucking shit. Take some sort of control you are wearing 10. There is bugger all talking about the rest of the backline because they were bsing shovelled shit. Except Ben Smith, who looks terrible
We are in a deep deep hole
@mariner4life said in Bledisloe #1:
that was a brutal reality check, and i would love to think there is something to say that it was part of some master plan
Our pack is shit. shit. Moody and Franks are bog ordinary props who scrum okay but that's it. Coles is good, but only in the wide channels. S Barrett is a substandard inernational lock. Which unbalances S whitelock. Savea was good, but as a 7, i thought read was pretty good, Cane was poor. Unsurprisingly it was unbalanced. Our pack reeks of 2003.
Mounga was fucking shit. Take some sort of control you are wearing 10. There is bugger all talking about the rest of the backline because they were bsing shovelled shit. Except Ben Smith, who looks terrible
We are in a deep deep hole
That's the whole problem in the way the 10-15 combo works at the moment. Barrett as the senior player is way too dominant. That was esp clear in the first half. It's not just a matter of RM taking control; it's also a matter of BB letting him take control.
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that was a brutal reality check, and i would love to think there is something to say that it was part of some master plan
Our pack is shit. shit. Moody and Franks are bog ordinary props who scrum okay but that's it. Coles is good, but only in the wide channels. S Barrett is a substandard inernational lock. Which unbalances S whitelock. Savea was good, but as a 7, i thought read was pretty good, Cane was poor. Unsurprisingly it was unbalanced. Our pack reeks of 2003.
Mounga was fucking shit. Take some sort of control you are wearing 10. There is bugger all talking about the rest of the backline because they were bsing shovelled shit. Except Ben Smith, who looks terrible
We are in a deep deep hole
@mariner4life said in Bledisloe #1:
that was a brutal reality check, and i would love to think there is something to say that it was part of some master plan
Our pack is shit. shit. Moody and Franks are bog ordinary props who scrum okay but that's it. Coles is good, but only in the wide channels. S Barrett is a substandard inernational lock. Which unbalances S whitelock. Savea was good, but as a 7, i thought read was pretty good, Cane was poor. Unsurprisingly it was unbalanced. Our pack reeks of 2003.
Mounga was fucking shit. Take some sort of control you are wearing 10. There is bugger all talking about the rest of the backline because they were bsing shovelled shit. Except Ben Smith, who looks terrible
We are in a deep deep hole
We looked best when Beauden came into the line. The RM/BB combo has potential but Mo’unga is not up to it at this level at this stage of his career. We have to shelve that idea, put Beauden back at 10 and BFA at 15 where his lack of pace is not such an issue.
That said, if we play props that offer less than 0 around the field we are going to really struggle against the big boys.
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Very keen to hear the press conferences on this one. Hansen has been saying that the Bledisloe and RWC prep are the only two goals this domestic season. Just like he said the Irish fixture would decide the world number one team once and for all and how the Lions series was the pinnacle of International Rugby.
Hansen keeps setting these goals yet failing at the hurdle and then trotting out the "It's just rugby, the sun will rise tomorrow, they were the better team etc etc"
I genuinely believe we have the cattle to retain the Bledisloe and win the RWC and the tactial and selection issues can be resolved fairly quickly on the back of a napkin having a couple of beers with Wayne Smith - it looks ugly but it's not catastrophic. The psychological issues in the team I'm not so sure, there are two groups that seem to be contributing to the malaise at the moment...
The Tew/Hansen/Read types who have cemented their legacy and will be nowhere to be found when it comes time to mopping up an RWC exit. Hasnen also better have a good look at Titch - one minute you are the very definition of a world class coach, the next minute you are so far off the pace Japan are touching you up.
The Barrett/Smith/Smith/SBW types who won a RWC on the backs of the old guard but seemingly feel like they played a bigger role than they did. They are now the old guard and are providing none of the leadership and stability which is needed.
@rotated I know it's a petty thing, but it really pisses me off when he shrugs and says it's just rugby. These are not primary school friendlies. NZ has long been at the forefront of the international scene because we were always innovating, always fitter, always ready to pounce, always had the measure of other teams.
Now it feels like we're just stagnant, and cruising on past glories. Sure, we've been a bit unlucky with injuries to a few key players like BBBR, but the whole fucking defence system shouldn't break down because one guy isn't there. As for our attack...yikes. Half the time it looks like our backline were introduced during the anthems.
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@Stargazer said in Bledisloe #1:
Ah, another TSF meltdown. Everyone completely overreacting as usual.
oh you can absolutely fuck up. You are opinionless, a massive AB suck up. And, becasue a few of your darlings were the worst on the field tonight, no one should say anything? piss right off, this is as bad as i can remember us in years
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@mariner4life said in Bledisloe #1:
that was a brutal reality check, and i would love to think there is something to say that it was part of some master plan
Our pack is shit. shit. Moody and Franks are bog ordinary props who scrum okay but that's it. Coles is good, but only in the wide channels. S Barrett is a substandard inernational lock. Which unbalances S whitelock. Savea was good, but as a 7, i thought read was pretty good, Cane was poor. Unsurprisingly it was unbalanced. Our pack reeks of 2003.
Mounga was fucking shit. Take some sort of control you are wearing 10. There is bugger all talking about the rest of the backline because they were bsing shovelled shit. Except Ben Smith, who looks terrible
We are in a deep deep hole
That's the whole problem in the way the 10-15 combo works at the moment. Barrett as the senior player is way too dominant. That was esp clear in the first half. It's not just a matter of RM taking control; it's also a matter of BB letting him take control.
@Stargazer said in Bledisloe #1:
That's the whole problem in the way the 10-15 combo works at the moment. Barrett as the senior player is way too dominant. That was esp clear in the first half. It's not just a matter of RM taking control; it's also a matter of BB letting him take control.
So it's not working
Pick BB at 10 and Smith in his best position. That works.
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@Stargazer said in Bledisloe #1:
Ah, another TSF meltdown. Everyone completely overreacting as usual.
oh you can absolutely fuck up. You are opinionless, a massive AB suck up. And, becasue a few of your darlings were the worst on the field tonight, no one should say anything? piss right off, this is as bad as i can remember us in years
@mariner4life said in Bledisloe #1:
@Stargazer said in Bledisloe #1:
Ah, another TSF meltdown. Everyone completely overreacting as usual.
oh you can absolutely fuck up. You are opinionless, a massive AB suck up. And, becasue a few of your darlings were the worst on the field tonight, no one should say anything? piss right off, this is as bad as i can remember us in years
Piss off yourself. I can say what I want.
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@Stargazer said in Bledisloe #1:
Ah, another TSF meltdown. Everyone completely overreacting as usual.
oh you can absolutely fuck up. You are opinionless, a massive AB suck up. And, becasue a few of your darlings were the worst on the field tonight, no one should say anything? piss right off, this is as bad as i can remember us in years
@mariner4life 100% true, a mega fanboy who buys into all the PR BS.
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@Stargazer said in Bledisloe #1:
Ah, another TSF meltdown. Everyone completely overreacting as usual.
oh you can absolutely fuck up. You are opinionless, a massive AB suck up. And, becasue a few of your darlings were the worst on the field tonight, no one should say anything? piss right off, this is as bad as i can remember us in years
@mariner4life said in Bledisloe #1:
@Stargazer said in Bledisloe #1:
Ah, another TSF meltdown. Everyone completely overreacting as usual.
oh you can absolutely fuck up. You are opinionless, a massive AB suck up. And, becasue a few of your darlings were the worst on the field tonight, no one should say anything? piss right off, this is as bad as i can remember us in years
I like it when you've been at the races all day.
You're so salty.
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I haven't read the thread so I may be repeating what has been said, but this game shows how much we miss BBBR. The forwards got outplayed and outmsucled. If you don't have the ball it's hard to win any match. Franks confirmed he is well past it and Moody didn't exactly do much better. Hansen needs to make some tough decisions for Auckland.
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@Stargazer said in Bledisloe #1:
That's the whole problem in the way the 10-15 combo works at the moment. Barrett as the senior player is way too dominant. That was esp clear in the first half. It's not just a matter of RM taking control; it's also a matter of BB letting him take control.
So it's not working
Pick BB at 10 and Smith in his best position. That works.
@Duluth said in Bledisloe #1:
@Stargazer said in Bledisloe #1:
That's the whole problem in the way the 10-15 combo works at the moment. Barrett as the senior player is way too dominant. That was esp clear in the first half. It's not just a matter of RM taking control; it's also a matter of BB letting him take control.
So it's not working
Pick BB at 10 and Smith in his best position. That works.
No, keep RM and BB at 10 and 15. BB should allow RM to take control. Drop BFA and give Ennor the starting 14 jersey.
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I for one have long cut this coaching team plenty of slack, they earnt it.
But they have eroded all my confidence in their abilities in the past few months.
We look directionless, devoid of ideas, with little punch, and the way guys are playing, out of form too.
I think this might be the next nail in the Fozzie coffin too, even a RWC win might not save him at this point.
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@mariner4life said in Bledisloe #1:
@Stargazer said in Bledisloe #1:
Ah, another TSF meltdown. Everyone completely overreacting as usual.
oh you can absolutely fuck up. You are opinionless, a massive AB suck up. And, becasue a few of your darlings were the worst on the field tonight, no one should say anything? piss right off, this is as bad as i can remember us in years
Piss off yourself. I can say what I want.
@Stargazer said in Bledisloe #1:
@mariner4life said in Bledisloe #1:
@Stargazer said in Bledisloe #1:
Ah, another TSF meltdown. Everyone completely overreacting as usual.
oh you can absolutely fuck up. You are opinionless, a massive AB suck up. And, becasue a few of your darlings were the worst on the field tonight, no one should say anything? piss right off, this is as bad as i can remember us in years
Piss off yourself. I can say what I want.
and continue to prove you know fuck all and are basically a suck up
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@Stargazer said in Bledisloe #1:
That's the whole problem in the way the 10-15 combo works at the moment. Barrett as the senior player is way too dominant. That was esp clear in the first half. It's not just a matter of RM taking control; it's also a matter of BB letting him take control.
So it's not working
Pick BB at 10 and Smith in his best position. That works.
I agree but who plays #14
Brdige who plays #11 & #15
Move Rieko to #14
Sevu Reece.... Naholo
That leaves #6 and #14 as 2 biggest problems ATM for New Zealand
Then there's the case of props who're not looking too flash They're passengers who you never see except for scrum time
If Sio & AAA can vastly outshine Moody & Franks Imagine what SA, ENG IRISH, FRENCH props could do........
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@Duluth said in Bledisloe #1:
@Stargazer said in Bledisloe #1:
That's the whole problem in the way the 10-15 combo works at the moment. Barrett as the senior player is way too dominant. That was esp clear in the first half. It's not just a matter of RM taking control; it's also a matter of BB letting him take control.
So it's not working
Pick BB at 10 and Smith in his best position. That works.
No, keep RM and BB at 10 and 15. BB should allow RM to take control. Drop BFA and give Ennor the starting 14 jersey.
@Stargazer said in Bledisloe #1:
@Duluth said in Bledisloe #1:
@Stargazer said in Bledisloe #1:
That's the whole problem in the way the 10-15 combo works at the moment. Barrett as the senior player is way too dominant. That was esp clear in the first half. It's not just a matter of RM taking control; it's also a matter of BB letting him take control.
So it's not working
Pick BB at 10 and Smith in his best position. That works.
No, keep RM and BB at 10 and 15. BB should allow RM to take control. Drop BFA and give Ennor the starting 14 jersey.
So it BBs fault that RM is playing poorly. Got it.
Hilarious
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@Stargazer said in Bledisloe #1:
@mariner4life said in Bledisloe #1:
@Stargazer said in Bledisloe #1:
Ah, another TSF meltdown. Everyone completely overreacting as usual.
oh you can absolutely fuck up. You are opinionless, a massive AB suck up. And, becasue a few of your darlings were the worst on the field tonight, no one should say anything? piss right off, this is as bad as i can remember us in years
Piss off yourself. I can say what I want.
and continue to prove you know fuck all and are basically a suck up
@mariner4life Haha, pot / kettle.
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@Duluth said in Bledisloe #1:
@Stargazer said in Bledisloe #1:
That's the whole problem in the way the 10-15 combo works at the moment. Barrett as the senior player is way too dominant. That was esp clear in the first half. It's not just a matter of RM taking control; it's also a matter of BB letting him take control.
So it's not working
Pick BB at 10 and Smith in his best position. That works.
No, keep RM and BB at 10 and 15. BB should allow RM to take control. Drop BFA and give Ennor the starting 14 jersey.
@Stargazer said in Bledisloe #1:
@Duluth said in Bledisloe #1:
@Stargazer said in Bledisloe #1:
That's the whole problem in the way the 10-15 combo works at the moment. Barrett as the senior player is way too dominant. That was esp clear in the first half. It's not just a matter of RM taking control; it's also a matter of BB letting him take control.
So it's not working
Pick BB at 10 and Smith in his best position. That works.
No, keep RM and BB at 10 and 15. BB should allow RM to take control. Drop BFA and give Ennor the starting 14 jersey.
more Crusaders!!!!!!!!
