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RWC: All Blacks v South Africa (Pool B)

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    Let me clarify. If Reece or Bridge score the winning try in the final i will cheer the roof down. But i also think it could turn into one of the many “why the fuck was he left out?” moments that we look back on for decades.

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      Some expectation bias with Rieko I think. We all know just how good he can be, so if he isn't up to his normal (very high) standard we feel let down. The other two are rookies at international level so get cut some slack.

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        I remember for the last 2 northern tours when we were endlessly chip kicking, Reiko was seemingly our only attacking threat with ball in hand.

        Back peddling, no forwards, give the ball to Reiko and hope he makes a half break or at least some go forward. A job the youngest all black performed admirably.

        Hope he has a blinder next game. He's done more in black than the other 2, but overall it's not a bad problem to have I guess

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        • SiamS Siam

          I remember for the last 2 northern tours when we were endlessly chip kicking, Reiko was seemingly our only attacking threat with ball in hand.

          Back peddling, no forwards, give the ball to Reiko and hope he makes a half break or at least some go forward. A job the youngest all black performed admirably.

          Hope he has a blinder next game. He's done more in black than the other 2, but overall it's not a bad problem to have I guess

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          @Siam said in RWC: All Blacks v South Africa (Pool B):

          I remember for the last 2 northern tours when we were endlessly chip kicking, Reiko was seemingly our only attacking threat with ball in hand.

          Back peddling, no forwards, give the ball to Reiko and hope he makes a half break or at least some go forward. A job the youngest all black performed admirably.

          Hope he has a blinder next game. He's done more in black than the other 2, but overall it's not a bad problem to have I guess

          Yeah. Am a fan. Have seen what he can do, but for some reason he hasn't seemingly been getting the ball in the sort of space that the others have.

          Maybe that is form, ie, positioning yourself off the ball, maybe it's fitness/sharpness, maybe it's luck.

          Just really would like to see him back to his best because he has the speed of the others, but added advantage of size.

          A good big man will always ...

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            Watch out Canada and/or Namibia.

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            • boobooB booboo

              @Siam said in RWC: All Blacks v South Africa (Pool B):

              I remember for the last 2 northern tours when we were endlessly chip kicking, Reiko was seemingly our only attacking threat with ball in hand.

              Back peddling, no forwards, give the ball to Reiko and hope he makes a half break or at least some go forward. A job the youngest all black performed admirably.

              Hope he has a blinder next game. He's done more in black than the other 2, but overall it's not a bad problem to have I guess

              Yeah. Am a fan. Have seen what he can do, but for some reason he hasn't seemingly been getting the ball in the sort of space that the others have.

              Maybe that is form, ie, positioning yourself off the ball, maybe it's fitness/sharpness, maybe it's luck.

              Just really would like to see him back to his best because he has the speed of the others, but added advantage of size.

              A good big man will always ...

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              @booboo yeah it does seem rough he is being held to that Perth performance whereas others held and judged on the next performance.

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                #1005

                If Reiko does have a blinder against Canada and Namibia, does that actually mean anything?

                Also, of the two incumbents, who is in the firing line to be replaced by Reiko? Reece?

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                • HoorooH Hooroo

                  If Reiko does have a blinder against Canada and Namibia, does that actually mean anything?

                  Also, of the two incumbents, who is in the firing line to be replaced by Reiko? Reece?

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                  @Hooroo said in RWC: All Blacks v South Africa (Pool B):

                  If Reiko does have a blinder against Canada and Namibia, does that actually mean anything?

                  Also, of the two incumbents, who is in the firing line to be replaced by Reiko? Reece?

                  Can either Bridge or Rieko play right wing?

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                  • taniwharugbyT taniwharugby

                    @booboo yeah it does seem rough he is being held to that Perth performance whereas others held and judged on the next performance.

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                    @taniwharugby said in RWC: All Blacks v South Africa (Pool B):

                    @booboo yeah it does seem rough he is being held to that Perth performance whereas others held and judged on the next performance.

                    It won't be as simple as that. What is happening at training and their GPS data will also be taken into account. But it is hard to force your way back into the starting XV if you aren't playing.

                    @booboo Ioane played on the right wing for the Blues this season.

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                      @Hooroo said in RWC: All Blacks v South Africa (Pool B):

                      If Reiko does have a blinder against Canada and Namibia, does that actually mean anything?

                      Also, of the two incumbents, who is in the firing line to be replaced by Reiko? Reece?

                      Can either Bridge or Rieko play right wing?

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                      @booboo said in RWC: All Blacks v South Africa (Pool B):

                      @Hooroo said in RWC: All Blacks v South Africa (Pool B):

                      If Reiko does have a blinder against Canada and Namibia, does that actually mean anything?

                      Also, of the two incumbents, who is in the firing line to be replaced by Reiko? Reece?

                      Can either Bridge or Rieko play right wing?

                      I don't know the answer to that. I would say Bridge maybe could as he is everywhere on the field anyway.

                      If there has to be change then that is the change I would make. Bridge on Right and Reiko on left.

                      As it stands currently, I wouldn't be making the change and I expect the Reece and Bridge will start against Italy and Reiko the other two matches

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                      • BovidaeB Bovidae

                        @taniwharugby said in RWC: All Blacks v South Africa (Pool B):

                        @booboo yeah it does seem rough he is being held to that Perth performance whereas others held and judged on the next performance.

                        It won't be as simple as that. What is happening at training and their GPS data will also be taken into account. But it is hard to force your way back into the starting XV if you aren't playing.

                        @booboo Ioane played on the right wing for the Blues this season.

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                        @Bovidae yeah I realise they have more data than we see, but based on the way they have treated encumbants previously, seems Ioane has fallen further and quicker than others before him.

                        GUess it will be telling to see how he responds.

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                          Rieko is stronger and has better top line pace than either Bridge or Reece.

                          However, Reece is more elusive and has better acceleration and Bridge's workrate and high ball ability would be better (although Rieko isn't too bad under the high ball)

                          Form seems to be with Reece and Bridge but I'd be happy to see Rieko raise his game and win his spot back , just as I was happy to see Scott Barrett coming roaring back last Saturday.

                          Competition for places is great!

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                          • HoorooH Hooroo

                            @booboo said in RWC: All Blacks v South Africa (Pool B):

                            @Hooroo said in RWC: All Blacks v South Africa (Pool B):

                            If Reiko does have a blinder against Canada and Namibia, does that actually mean anything?

                            Also, of the two incumbents, who is in the firing line to be replaced by Reiko? Reece?

                            Can either Bridge or Rieko play right wing?

                            I don't know the answer to that. I would say Bridge maybe could as he is everywhere on the field anyway.

                            If there has to be change then that is the change I would make. Bridge on Right and Reiko on left.

                            As it stands currently, I wouldn't be making the change and I expect the Reece and Bridge will start against Italy and Reiko the other two matches

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                            @Hooroo said in RWC: All Blacks v South Africa (Pool B):

                            As it stands currently, I wouldn't be making the change and I expect the Reece and Bridge will start against Italy and Reiko the other two matches

                            Reckon you'll see a mix and match the next two weekends, and then the players in form and training well playing Italy onwards.

                            I wouldn't be surprised if that was Rieko starting, but I woulnd't be surprised if it wasn't, either.

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                            • taniwharugbyT taniwharugby

                              @Bovidae yeah I realise they have more data than we see, but based on the way they have treated encumbants previously, seems Ioane has fallen further and quicker than others before him.

                              GUess it will be telling to see how he responds.

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                              @taniwharugby Remember Ioane was going to play against Tonga but for an injury niggle. It's been a case of bad luck for Rieko (poor team performance and then injury).

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                              • nzzpN nzzp

                                @Hooroo said in RWC: All Blacks v South Africa (Pool B):

                                As it stands currently, I wouldn't be making the change and I expect the Reece and Bridge will start against Italy and Reiko the other two matches

                                Reckon you'll see a mix and match the next two weekends, and then the players in form and training well playing Italy onwards.

                                I wouldn't be surprised if that was Rieko starting, but I woulnd't be surprised if it wasn't, either.

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                                @nzzp said in RWC: All Blacks v South Africa (Pool B):

                                @Hooroo said in RWC: All Blacks v South Africa (Pool B):

                                As it stands currently, I wouldn't be making the change and I expect the Reece and Bridge will start against Italy and Reiko the other two matches

                                Reckon you'll see a mix and match the next two weekends, and then the players in form and training well playing Italy onwards.

                                I wouldn't be surprised if that was Rieko starting, but I woulnd't be surprised if it wasn't, either.

                                That's a good point. I agree.

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                                  @taniwharugby Remember Ioane was going to play against Tonga but for an injury niggle. It's been a case of bad luck for Rieko (poor team performance and then injury).

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                                  @Bovidae yep, and they have always said Injury doesnt drop you down the pecking order too....dont get me wrong, as @Frank says above, competition is great, and seeing if Ioane responds to it will be interesting, as he will need to be on fire in his matches to elevate himself above the other 2 given they performed against tougher opposition.

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                                    I was pretty boozed and haven't read most of this thread.

                                    Was this game the best handling performance from the AB's in an age. Apart from Reece dropping a clanger at pace, the distribution and execution of quick ball had me breathless. I don't know how we did some of it

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                                      I think the coaching panel should take a bow. They worked out how to nullify the Boks. All their selection calls came off big time too.

                                      Effectively we out Bokked the Boks. I had predicted a nine point AB victory but I must admit to being very concerned in the last first 20, however once we settled it was relatively comfortable.

                                      The Boks don't seem to have the ability to think on the field. It's a trait of theirs. Historically they don't seem to produce sides that can adapt in real time, they need the coach to tell them what to do.

                                      Great game to watch (no streaming issues for me). Pretty happy with that performance - put Brodie back in the engine room and there's not many teams will be able to live with us.

                                      It was a statement of intent. We do have a Plan B and a Plan C too so take your rush defence and your big physical brutes and bring it on.

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                                        That SCO IRE result has really opened up the draw for us. We've got it as good as anyone in this RWC now we've won the opening game - a nice build into the quarters, then Samoa/Japan/Scotland, and two games to win the thing. Tough - but very very doable now if we can focus.

                                        All other contenders have a hard route, a physical pool generally, and a tough quarter in store. Again - we haven't won it yet, but the cards are at long last falling in our favour.

                                        Finally, I see we're now at $2.30 to win the thing outright on BetFair. SA and ENG at 6s, and then everyone else $10+. I like SA bette rthan that, and think England will be physically exposed by knockout time.

                                        Great tournament!

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                                          I think the coaching panel should take a bow. They worked out how to nullify the Boks. All their selection calls came off big time too.

                                          Effectively we out Bokked the Boks. I had predicted a nine point AB victory but I must admit to being very concerned in the last first 20, however once we settled it was relatively comfortable.

                                          The Boks don't seem to have the ability to think on the field. It's a trait of theirs. Historically they don't seem to produce sides that can adapt in real time, they need the coach to tell them what to do.

                                          Great game to watch (no streaming issues for me). Pretty happy with that performance - put Brodie back in the engine room and there's not many teams will be able to live with us.

                                          It was a statement of intent. We do have a Plan B and a Plan C too so take your rush defence and your big physical brutes and bring it on.

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                                          @dogmeat said in RWC: All Blacks v South Africa (Pool B):

                                          I think the coaching panel should take a bow. They worked out how to nullify the Boks. All their selection calls came off big time too.

                                          Strongly agree. I was saying how we out-coached them, despite being physically dominated at times. Bloody good work from the coaching team to be not only right tactically/strategically ,but also to have the skills running full noise for the game. Mental prep spot on.

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