RWC: All Blacks v South Africa (Pool B)
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@Stargazer That's some bench. Mark of a really quality side.
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@Stargazer
Looks weak ABs by 50
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@Frank said in RWC All Blacks v South Africa:
What is the general strategy to combat the rush defense of the Boks?????
Harty has lost it. Wants Scott Barrett and Crotty to start.
I actually don't think the physicality of the Boks is much above ours provided our tight 5 step up. Only significant size difference is Savea vs Steph Du Toit
kick over or through a rush defence or smash the gain line.Mounga pass kick to the wingers and support near the gain line, and make support harder. engage the defence.
Are the typical ways I am sure The ABs will tweak and add to that theory to catch the Boks defence out.@Chris said in RWC All Blacks v South Africa:
@Frank said in RWC All Blacks v South Africa:
What is the general strategy to combat the rush defense of the Boks?????
Harty has lost it. Wants Scott Barrett and Crotty to start.
I actually don't think the physicality of the Boks is much above ours provided our tight 5 step up. Only significant size difference is Savea vs Steph Du Toit
kick over or through a rush defence or smash the gain line.Mounga pass kick to the wingers and support near the gain line, and make support harder. engage the defence.
Are the typical ways I am sure The ABs will tweak and add to that theory to catch the Boks defence out.yep. only problem is that we've been trying the short kicking game against the rush for years, and we've been almost exclusively shit at it - just end up having no possession and unable to control the pace of the game.
i much prefer trying to get momentum close in, then only once defence is static or back-pedalling do you go wider. it relies on either grunt or subtle angles and dummy runners to get the gain line close in, but if we do get it we are better placed than anyone else (because of smith) to go wide fast and find the space the rush creates out wide. -
@Chris said in RWC All Blacks v South Africa:
@Frank said in RWC All Blacks v South Africa:
What is the general strategy to combat the rush defense of the Boks?????
Harty has lost it. Wants Scott Barrett and Crotty to start.
I actually don't think the physicality of the Boks is much above ours provided our tight 5 step up. Only significant size difference is Savea vs Steph Du Toit
kick over or through a rush defence or smash the gain line.Mounga pass kick to the wingers and support near the gain line, and make support harder. engage the defence.
Are the typical ways I am sure The ABs will tweak and add to that theory to catch the Boks defence out.yep. only problem is that we've been trying the short kicking game against the rush for years, and we've been almost exclusively shit at it - just end up having no possession and unable to control the pace of the game.
i much prefer trying to get momentum close in, then only once defence is static or back-pedalling do you go wider. it relies on either grunt or subtle angles and dummy runners to get the gain line close in, but if we do get it we are better placed than anyone else (because of smith) to go wide fast and find the space the rush creates out wide.@reprobate said in RWC All Blacks v South Africa:
@Chris said in RWC All Blacks v South Africa:
@Frank said in RWC All Blacks v South Africa:
What is the general strategy to combat the rush defense of the Boks?????
Harty has lost it. Wants Scott Barrett and Crotty to start.
I actually don't think the physicality of the Boks is much above ours provided our tight 5 step up. Only significant size difference is Savea vs Steph Du Toit
kick over or through a rush defence or smash the gain line.Mounga pass kick to the wingers and support near the gain line, and make support harder. engage the defence.
Are the typical ways I am sure The ABs will tweak and add to that theory to catch the Boks defence out.yep. only problem is that we've been trying the short kicking game against the rush for years, and we've been almost exclusively shit at it - just end up having no possession and unable to control the pace of the game.
i much prefer trying to get momentum close in, then only once defence is static or back-pedalling do you go wider. it relies on either grunt or subtle angles and dummy runners to get the gain line close in, but if we do get it we are better placed than anyone else (because of smith) to go wide fast and find the space the rush creates out wide.Yeah I am inclined to agree I don't think kicking away possession in a WC is a good tactic either just those are the 2 main ways of combating the rush defence.
Mo'unga going flat to the Gain line putting runners through gaps from angles appeals to me because if you break the rush defence on an angle coming back its very hard to defend at the back not much cover.I think they may play SBW to use this tactic. -
@Chris said in RWC All Blacks v South Africa:
@Frank said in RWC All Blacks v South Africa:
What is the general strategy to combat the rush defense of the Boks?????
Harty has lost it. Wants Scott Barrett and Crotty to start.
I actually don't think the physicality of the Boks is much above ours provided our tight 5 step up. Only significant size difference is Savea vs Steph Du Toit
kick over or through a rush defence or smash the gain line.Mounga pass kick to the wingers and support near the gain line, and make support harder. engage the defence.
Are the typical ways I am sure The ABs will tweak and add to that theory to catch the Boks defence out.yep. only problem is that we've been trying the short kicking game against the rush for years, and we've been almost exclusively shit at it - just end up having no possession and unable to control the pace of the game.
i much prefer trying to get momentum close in, then only once defence is static or back-pedalling do you go wider. it relies on either grunt or subtle angles and dummy runners to get the gain line close in, but if we do get it we are better placed than anyone else (because of smith) to go wide fast and find the space the rush creates out wide.@reprobate said in RWC All Blacks v South Africa:
i much prefer trying to get momentum close in, then only once defence is static or back-pedalling do you go wider. it relies on either grunt or subtle angles and dummy runners to get the gain line close in, but if we do get it we are better placed than anyone else (because of smith) to go wide fast and find the space the rush creates out wide.
Lions Test 1 2017 we did this - offloaded well, slashing lines near the ruck. WEnt well.
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@reprobate said in RWC All Blacks v South Africa:
i much prefer trying to get momentum close in, then only once defence is static or back-pedalling do you go wider. it relies on either grunt or subtle angles and dummy runners to get the gain line close in, but if we do get it we are better placed than anyone else (because of smith) to go wide fast and find the space the rush creates out wide.
Lions Test 1 2017 we did this - offloaded well, slashing lines near the ruck. WEnt well.
@nzzp said in RWC All Blacks v South Africa:
@reprobate said in RWC All Blacks v South Africa:
i much prefer trying to get momentum close in, then only once defence is static or back-pedalling do you go wider. it relies on either grunt or subtle angles and dummy runners to get the gain line close in, but if we do get it we are better placed than anyone else (because of smith) to go wide fast and find the space the rush creates out wide.
Lions Test 1 2017 we did this - offloaded well, slashing lines near the ruck. WEnt well.
That's our DRY, DRY powder.
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@nzzp said in RWC All Blacks v South Africa:
@reprobate said in RWC All Blacks v South Africa:
i much prefer trying to get momentum close in, then only once defence is static or back-pedalling do you go wider. it relies on either grunt or subtle angles and dummy runners to get the gain line close in, but if we do get it we are better placed than anyone else (because of smith) to go wide fast and find the space the rush creates out wide.
Lions Test 1 2017 we did this - offloaded well, slashing lines near the ruck. WEnt well.
That's our DRY, DRY powder.
@Frank said in RWC All Blacks v South Africa:
@nzzp said in RWC All Blacks v South Africa:
@reprobate said in RWC All Blacks v South Africa:
i much prefer trying to get momentum close in, then only once defence is static or back-pedalling do you go wider. it relies on either grunt or subtle angles and dummy runners to get the gain line close in, but if we do get it we are better placed than anyone else (because of smith) to go wide fast and find the space the rush creates out wide.
Lions Test 1 2017 we did this - offloaded well, slashing lines near the ruck. WEnt well.
That's our DRY, DRY powder.
it actually went OK in the second test too -- a marginal loss to an 'interesting' penalty with 14 men.
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@Frank said in RWC All Blacks v South Africa:
@nzzp said in RWC All Blacks v South Africa:
@reprobate said in RWC All Blacks v South Africa:
i much prefer trying to get momentum close in, then only once defence is static or back-pedalling do you go wider. it relies on either grunt or subtle angles and dummy runners to get the gain line close in, but if we do get it we are better placed than anyone else (because of smith) to go wide fast and find the space the rush creates out wide.
Lions Test 1 2017 we did this - offloaded well, slashing lines near the ruck. WEnt well.
That's our DRY, DRY powder.
it actually went OK in the second test too -- a marginal loss to an 'interesting' penalty with 14 men.
@nzzp said in RWC All Blacks v South Africa:
@Frank said in RWC All Blacks v South Africa:
@nzzp said in RWC All Blacks v South Africa:
@reprobate said in RWC All Blacks v South Africa:
i much prefer trying to get momentum close in, then only once defence is static or back-pedalling do you go wider. it relies on either grunt or subtle angles and dummy runners to get the gain line close in, but if we do get it we are better placed than anyone else (because of smith) to go wide fast and find the space the rush creates out wide.
Lions Test 1 2017 we did this - offloaded well, slashing lines near the ruck. WEnt well.
That's our DRY, DRY powder.
it actually went OK in the second test too -- a marginal loss to an 'interesting' penalty with 14 men.
After SOB dodged yellow/red for taking Naholo out.
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@nzzp said in RWC All Blacks v South Africa:
@Frank said in RWC All Blacks v South Africa:
@nzzp said in RWC All Blacks v South Africa:
@reprobate said in RWC All Blacks v South Africa:
i much prefer trying to get momentum close in, then only once defence is static or back-pedalling do you go wider. it relies on either grunt or subtle angles and dummy runners to get the gain line close in, but if we do get it we are better placed than anyone else (because of smith) to go wide fast and find the space the rush creates out wide.
Lions Test 1 2017 we did this - offloaded well, slashing lines near the ruck. WEnt well.
That's our DRY, DRY powder.
it actually went OK in the second test too -- a marginal loss to an 'interesting' penalty with 14 men.
After SOB dodged yellow/red for taking Naholo out.
@pakman although that saved Kaino in the final test....
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@pakman although that saved Kaino in the final test....
@taniwharugby said in RWC All Blacks v South Africa:
@pakman although that saved Kaino in the final test....
Personally I think losing Naholo was the straw that broke our camel (defence)'s back.
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Righto. So I am claiming BIG (or is that "bigly" these days?) underdog status for the Boks on Saturday.
Firstly, it is forecast to be raining. And since most of the Boks are used to playing their rugby in dry conditions on hard grounds, compared with the AB's who seem to play at least 50% of their games in the wet on soft grounds, I think that's strike one against the Boks.
And secondly, and probably even a bigger factor, is the ref for the game... a certain Monsieur Jerome Garces.
With Garces as the ref, the Boks have only won 4 from 13 games.
Even more worryingly, is that with Garces handling the whistle, the Boks have won ZERO from 5 against the All Blacks.So the Boks are the Chihuahua's in this contest against the AB Rottweilers.
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You would think since we have had years to prepare for the rush defense, we should have some pretty good tactics by now.
@Darren said in RWC All Blacks v South Africa:
You would think since we have had years to prepare for the rush defense, we should have some pretty good tactics by now.
Tactics are one thing, execution and the players to do it are another.
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All Blacks by 20
@ACT-Crusader said in RWC All Blacks v South Africa:
All Blacks by 20
This is an early vote for you ACT-Crusader - for the annual TSF Biggest Cojones award.
Not saying you may not be proved correct, but while everyone else is going for "close' you've put them on the block there mate
Plus: it affirms my Boks-are-underdogs narrative
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Anyone saying Hansen will suddenly drop the dual playmaker thing is crazy.
Questions are who starts at 2, which midfield and whether Ioane or Smith get back in on the wing.
@Billy-Tell said in RWC All Blacks v South Africa:
Anyone saying Hansen will suddenly drop the dual playmaker thing is crazy.
Questions are who starts at 2, which midfield and whether Ioane or Smith get back in on the wing.
Possible All Blacks team (Knowler stuff): Beauden Barrett, Sevu Reece, Jack Goodhue, Sonny Bill Williams, George Bridge, Richie Mo'unga, Aaron Smith, Kieran Read (capt), Sam Cane, Ardie Savea, Sam Whitelock, Scott Barrett, Nepo Laulala, Dane Coles, Joe Moody.
Possible All Blacks team (Napier Herald):
Beauden Barrett, Sevu Reece, Anton Lienert-Brown, Ryan Crotty, George Bridge, Richie Mo'unga, Aaron Smith, Kieran Read, Sam Cane, Ardie Savea, Sam Whitelock, Scott Barrett, Nepo Laulala, Dane Coles, Joe Moody
Bench: Codie Taylor, Ofa Tu'ungafasi, Angus Ta'avo, Patrick Tuipulotu, Shannon Frizell, TJ Perenara, Sonny Bill Williams, Ben Smith
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@Billy-Tell said in RWC All Blacks v South Africa:
Anyone saying Hansen will suddenly drop the dual playmaker thing is crazy.
Questions are who starts at 2, which midfield and whether Ioane or Smith get back in on the wing.
Possible All Blacks team (Knowler stuff): Beauden Barrett, Sevu Reece, Jack Goodhue, Sonny Bill Williams, George Bridge, Richie Mo'unga, Aaron Smith, Kieran Read (capt), Sam Cane, Ardie Savea, Sam Whitelock, Scott Barrett, Nepo Laulala, Dane Coles, Joe Moody.
Possible All Blacks team (Napier Herald):
Beauden Barrett, Sevu Reece, Anton Lienert-Brown, Ryan Crotty, George Bridge, Richie Mo'unga, Aaron Smith, Kieran Read, Sam Cane, Ardie Savea, Sam Whitelock, Scott Barrett, Nepo Laulala, Dane Coles, Joe Moody
Bench: Codie Taylor, Ofa Tu'ungafasi, Angus Ta'avo, Patrick Tuipulotu, Shannon Frizell, TJ Perenara, Sonny Bill Williams, Ben Smith
@Billy-Tell said in RWC All Blacks v South Africa:
@Billy-Tell said in RWC All Blacks v South Africa:
Anyone saying Hansen will suddenly drop the dual playmaker thing is crazy.
Questions are who starts at 2, which midfield and whether Ioane or Smith get back in on the wing.
Possible All Blacks team (Knowler stuff): Beauden Barrett, Sevu Reece, Jack Goodhue, Sonny Bill Williams, George Bridge, Richie Mo'unga, Aaron Smith, Kieran Read (capt), Sam Cane, Ardie Savea, Sam Whitelock, Scott Barrett, Nepo Laulala, Dane Coles, Joe Moody.
Possible All Blacks team (Napier Herald):
Beauden Barrett, Sevu Reece, Anton Lienert-Brown, Ryan Crotty, George Bridge, Richie Mo'unga, Aaron Smith, Kieran Read, Sam Cane, Ardie Savea, Sam Whitelock, Scott Barrett, Nepo Laulala, Dane Coles, Joe Moody
Bench: Codie Taylor, Ofa Tu'ungafasi, Angus Ta'avo, Patrick Tuipulotu, Shannon Frizell, TJ Perenara, Sonny Bill Williams, Ben Smith
If Frizell were to make it that would be one hell of a comeback!
