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RWC: Japan v Ireland (Pool A)

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  • mofitzy_M mofitzy_

    @PecoTrain
    The big game is Japan vs Scotland IMO. A lot of possible permutations from today's result, with Ireland, Scotland and Japan all potentially being 1st, 2nd, or being knocked out. Samoa too, though I can't see them toppling 2 of Japan, Ireland and Scotland.

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    @mofitzy_

    I'm all but counting Scotland out - they have been struggling in 2019 and two injuries from their game with Ireland makes it even harder.

    Even if Ireland had won today, I would have put Japan as favourites against Scotland.

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    • sparkyS sparky

      @Bones said in RWC: Japan v Ireland (Pool A):

      Seeing Schmidt with the shakes in the coaching box, he doesn't look well eh. Parkinsons? Motor neuron?

      Either would explain why he is retiring.

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      @sparky

      Schmidt has said he wishes to spend more time with his family and their parents given the time away from NZ - this probably gives the best explanation.

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        @sparky

        Schmidt has said he wishes to spend more time with his family and their parents given the time away from NZ - this probably gives the best explanation.

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        @PecoTrain Hadn't heard any speculation about his health before today.

        I suspect he will become a media pundit, mostly based in NZ. Decent money, less stress and all-consuming than coaching.

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          For all those concerned about Ireland in the QF, I'm moderately relaxed. We just have to score points - last time we only got 9 against them. If we get 9 points, we lose, and well played Ireland.

          This time, I think the conditions will suti us better (hotter), our prep is better, and mentally we shold be right up for it. Good luck Ireland, they'll have a big game in them, but it's going to be tough for them to exit the pool fresh and determined after Samoa and Scotland to play yet.

          Our attack looks transformed from last year. We have unlocked the rush against SA, and I beleive we'll do it again soon.

          What a tournament!

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          • FrankF Frank

            @Billy-Tell said in RWC: Japan v Ireland (Pool A):

            @Frank said in RWC: Japan v Ireland (Pool A):

            Isn't this result kind of bad for us and potentially good for the Boks?

            Potentially yes. But I think Ireland’s gameplan has been found out. They also rely on sexton who has been under an injury cloud. They also can’t take the Samoa game for granted so only Russia can get the B team. If they play like today though, NZ wouldn’t be losing.

            How many of the team that just lost to Japan were their best team or was it all second stringers? Just wondering if total lack of depth partially explains the loss.

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            @Frank said in RWC: Japan v Ireland (Pool A):

            @Billy-Tell said in RWC: Japan v Ireland (Pool A):

            @Frank said in RWC: Japan v Ireland (Pool A):

            Isn't this result kind of bad for us and potentially good for the Boks?

            Potentially yes. But I think Ireland’s gameplan has been found out. They also rely on sexton who has been under an injury cloud. They also can’t take the Samoa game for granted so only Russia can get the B team. If they play like today though, NZ wouldn’t be losing.

            How many of the team that just lost to Japan were their best team or was it all second stringers? Just wondering if total lack of depth partially explains the loss.

            Main omission Sexton. Seems essential for ireland nowadays.

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            • Victor MeldrewV Victor Meldrew

              @jegga said in RWC: Japan v Ireland (Pool A):

              Apparently BOD was a pundit on the Irish coverage and didn't take the result well. If anyone has the footage and can post it I will be eternally grateful

              Was on the ITV coverage.

              He had the look of a man who's swallowed a wasp during during a live TV interview and that distracted him from the fact he's also having a severe bowel spasm.

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              @Victor-Meldrew said in RWC: Japan v Ireland (Pool A):

              @jegga said in RWC: Japan v Ireland (Pool A):

              Apparently BOD was a pundit on the Irish coverage and didn't take the result well. If anyone has the footage and can post it I will be eternally grateful

              Was on the ITV coverage.

              He had the look of a man who's swallowed a wasp during during a live TV interview and that distracted him from the fact he's also having a severe bowel spasm.

              He could have died.

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              • P PecoTrain

                @sparky

                Schmidt has said he wishes to spend more time with his family and their parents given the time away from NZ - this probably gives the best explanation.

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                @PecoTrain said in RWC: Japan v Ireland (Pool A):

                @sparky

                Schmidt has said he wishes to spend more time with his family and their parents given the time away from NZ - this probably gives the best explanation.

                His Mum died around end of July.

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                • nzzpN nzzp

                  For all those concerned about Ireland in the QF, I'm moderately relaxed. We just have to score points - last time we only got 9 against them. If we get 9 points, we lose, and well played Ireland.

                  This time, I think the conditions will suti us better (hotter), our prep is better, and mentally we shold be right up for it. Good luck Ireland, they'll have a big game in them, but it's going to be tough for them to exit the pool fresh and determined after Samoa and Scotland to play yet.

                  Our attack looks transformed from last year. We have unlocked the rush against SA, and I beleive we'll do it again soon.

                  What a tournament!

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                  @nzzp said in RWC: Japan v Ireland (Pool A):

                  For all those concerned about Ireland in the QF, I'm moderately relaxed. We just have to score points - last time we only got 9 against them. If we get 9 points, we lose, and well played Ireland.

                  This time, I think the conditions will suti us better (hotter), our prep is better, and mentally we shold be right up for it. Good luck Ireland, they'll have a big game in them, but it's going to be tough for them to exit the pool fresh and determined after Samoa and Scotland to play yet.

                  Our attack looks transformed from last year. We have unlocked the rush against SA, and I beleive we'll do it again soon.

                  What a tournament!

                  A sage Irishman I know well observes that Irish never play well in warm conditions.

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                  • P pakman

                    @Frank said in RWC: Japan v Ireland (Pool A):

                    @Billy-Tell said in RWC: Japan v Ireland (Pool A):

                    @Frank said in RWC: Japan v Ireland (Pool A):

                    Isn't this result kind of bad for us and potentially good for the Boks?

                    Potentially yes. But I think Ireland’s gameplan has been found out. They also rely on sexton who has been under an injury cloud. They also can’t take the Samoa game for granted so only Russia can get the B team. If they play like today though, NZ wouldn’t be losing.

                    How many of the team that just lost to Japan were their best team or was it all second stringers? Just wondering if total lack of depth partially explains the loss.

                    Main omission Sexton. Seems essential for ireland nowadays.

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                    @pakman said in RWC: Japan v Ireland (Pool A):

                    Main omission Sexton. Seems essential for ireland nowadays.

                    An in-form Sexton maybe. He wasn't in the 6N's - looked out of his depth against England.

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                    • Victor MeldrewV Victor Meldrew

                      @jegga said in RWC: Japan v Ireland (Pool A):

                      Apparently BOD was a pundit on the Irish coverage and didn't take the result well. If anyone has the footage and can post it I will be eternally grateful

                      Was on the ITV coverage.

                      He had the look of a man who's swallowed a wasp during during a live TV interview and that distracted him from the fact he's also having a severe bowel spasm.

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                      @Victor-Meldrew said in RWC: Japan v Ireland (Pool A):

                      @jegga said in RWC: Japan v Ireland (Pool A):

                      Apparently BOD was a pundit on the Irish coverage and didn't take the result well. If anyone has the footage and can post it I will be eternally grateful

                      Was on the ITV coverage.

                      He had the look of a man who's swallowed a wasp during during a live TV interview and that distracted him from the fact he's also having a severe bowel spasm.

                      Excellent.

                      A quarter final exit is an Irish tradition isn’t it?

                      Planet Rugby’s Ireland fans are still **delivering gold

                      **“We knew all of this in advance.
                      That’s why Joe player what he felt was his best team.

                      In cooler weather, better ref, neutral location both teams given the same amount of rest and our B team puts 40 points on them.

                      Do we really think that Japan making the quarters wasn’t just what WR wanted?

                      At this rate Japan might make the semis or better.

                      Reminds me of Korea/Japan WC in the football.”****

                      Also a whole thread about how bent Gardner is

                      http://forum.planetrugby.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=91481&sid=5594db999ca625c55956a0becc14a9dc

                      I don’t remember bok fans being this graceless at all and their team came back and gave ours a hell of a game in the semis.
                      I hope Heneke Meyer had a smile on his face last night .
                      The only downside for Japan is no one in their pool is going to take them lightly so they’ll be playing their top side if possible.

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                      • juniorJ junior

                        @ACT-Crusader said in RWC: Japan v Ireland (Pool A):

                        @junior said in RWC: Japan v Ireland (Pool A):

                        @antipodean said in RWC: Japan v Ireland (Pool A):

                        @akan004 said in RWC: Japan v Ireland (Pool A):

                        @Frank said in RWC: Japan v Ireland (Pool A):

                        Isn't this result kind of bad for us and potentially good for the Boks?

                        Absolutely. Not sure why some are so happy with this result.

                        Are you really concerned after seeing that?

                        I wasn’t concerned after seeing Argentine beat France in 2007...

                        As we know France are the great enigma when it comes to world cups.

                        Ireland’s 4th loss this year and their work at the ruck has been exposed (again).

                        That's all true, but I think they'll have nothing to lose against us, will know that their game plan works against us and, therefore, be 1000 time more committed and tenacious than they were today. On top of that, we'll need to just as - if not more - disciplined than the excellent japanese were. We'll need to be great at the set pieces and under the high ball. Also, unlike Japan, we will not have all of world rugby behind us and what 50/50 refereeing calls are made are, therefore, less likely to be made in our favour.

                        In short, it's gonna a hell of a tough test match for us

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                        @junior said in RWC: Japan v Ireland (Pool A):

                        @ACT-Crusader said in RWC: Japan v Ireland (Pool A):

                        @junior said in RWC: Japan v Ireland (Pool A):

                        @antipodean said in RWC: Japan v Ireland (Pool A):

                        @akan004 said in RWC: Japan v Ireland (Pool A):

                        @Frank said in RWC: Japan v Ireland (Pool A):

                        Isn't this result kind of bad for us and potentially good for the Boks?

                        Absolutely. Not sure why some are so happy with this result.

                        Are you really concerned after seeing that?

                        I wasn’t concerned after seeing Argentine beat France in 2007...

                        As we know France are the great enigma when it comes to world cups.

                        Ireland’s 4th loss this year and their work at the ruck has been exposed (again).

                        That's all true, but I think they'll have nothing to lose against us, will know that their game plan works against us and, therefore, be 1000 time more committed and tenacious than they were today. On top of that, we'll need to just as - if not more - disciplined than the excellent japanese were. We'll need to be great at the set pieces and under the high ball. Also, unlike Japan, we will not have all of world rugby behind us and what 50/50 refereeing calls are made are, therefore, less likely to be made in our favour.

                        In short, it's gonna a hell of a tough test match for us

                        But Rassie and Wankie think we get all the calls.

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                        • D DMX

                          I honestly think that NH teams underestimate the mental strain of being number 1 and the expectations that come with it. You get the sense that ABs players and management are in the best mental space right now because they have dealt with it for years in and out of the World Cup. The weight of expectation was just to much for Ireland.

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                          @DMX that will be a factor, NH media gave been blowing smoke up Ireland's arse since they beat us last year, yet they have had the wobbles since then losing to England twice, Wales and now Japan.

                          Hansen even mentioned the weight of expectation on the day he named the ABs and said it will be interesting to see how others dealt with it given they live with it all the time.

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                            Haka hater gunna hate ...

                            https://twitter.com/simonrug/status/1177923848735510531?s=19

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                            • jeggaJ jegga

                              @Victor-Meldrew said in RWC: Japan v Ireland (Pool A):

                              @jegga said in RWC: Japan v Ireland (Pool A):

                              Apparently BOD was a pundit on the Irish coverage and didn't take the result well. If anyone has the footage and can post it I will be eternally grateful

                              Was on the ITV coverage.

                              He had the look of a man who's swallowed a wasp during during a live TV interview and that distracted him from the fact he's also having a severe bowel spasm.

                              Excellent.

                              A quarter final exit is an Irish tradition isn’t it?

                              Planet Rugby’s Ireland fans are still **delivering gold

                              **“We knew all of this in advance.
                              That’s why Joe player what he felt was his best team.

                              In cooler weather, better ref, neutral location both teams given the same amount of rest and our B team puts 40 points on them.

                              Do we really think that Japan making the quarters wasn’t just what WR wanted?

                              At this rate Japan might make the semis or better.

                              Reminds me of Korea/Japan WC in the football.”****

                              Also a whole thread about how bent Gardner is

                              http://forum.planetrugby.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=91481&sid=5594db999ca625c55956a0becc14a9dc

                              I don’t remember bok fans being this graceless at all and their team came back and gave ours a hell of a game in the semis.
                              I hope Heneke Meyer had a smile on his face last night .
                              The only downside for Japan is no one in their pool is going to take them lightly so they’ll be playing their top side if possible.

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                              @jegga said in RWC: Japan v Ireland (Pool A):

                              @Victor-Meldrew said in RWC: Japan v Ireland (Pool A):

                              @jegga said in RWC: Japan v Ireland (Pool A):

                              Apparently BOD was a pundit on the Irish coverage and didn't take the result well. If anyone has the footage and can post it I will be eternally grateful

                              Was on the ITV coverage.

                              He had the look of a man who's swallowed a wasp during during a live TV interview and that distracted him from the fact he's also having a severe bowel spasm.

                              Excellent.

                              A quarter final exit is an Irish tradition isn’t it?

                              Planet Rugby’s Ireland fans are still delivering gold

                              “We knew all of this in advance.
                              That’s why Joe player what he felt was his best team.

                              In cooler weather, better ref, neutral location both teams given the same amount of rest and our B team puts 40 points on them.

                              Do we really think that Japan making the quarters wasn’t just what WR wanted?

                              At this rate Japan might make the semis or better.

                              Reminds me of Korea/Japan WC in the football.”

                              Also a whole thread about how bent Gardner is

                              http://forum.planetrugby.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=91481&sid=5594db999ca625c55956a0becc14a9dc

                              I don’t remember bok fans being this graceless at all and their team came back and gave ours a hell of a game in the semis.
                              I hope Heneke Meyer had a smile on his face last night .
                              The only downside for Japan is no one in their pool is going to take them lightly so they’ll be playing their top side if possible.

                              As a neutralish observer (I was obviously backing Japan) I didn't notice any obvious issues with the officiating. Did anyone? (Haven't read the thread.)

                              What are their specific whinge? Or is it just victim mentality?

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                              • boobooB booboo

                                Haka hater gunna hate ...

                                https://twitter.com/simonrug/status/1177923848735510531?s=19

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                                @booboo said in RWC: Japan v Ireland (Pool A):

                                Haka hater gunna hate ...

                                https://twitter.com/simonrug/status/1177923848735510531?s=19

                                Doh! Embarrassing.

                                Is he a public figure? Or some Twitter random?

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                                  I liked how JJ said that he had been planning this one for some time. A bit like how Schmidt had been planning Chicago for some time as a good chance to catch a better team on the hop.

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                                  • MiketheSnowM MiketheSnow

                                    @NTA said in RWC: Japan v Ireland (Pool A):

                                    Ireland Schmidt the bed.

                                    Post Of The Day

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                                    @MiketheSnow said in RWC: Japan v Ireland (Pool A):

                                    @NTA said in RWC: Japan v Ireland (Pool A):

                                    Ireland Schmidt the bed.

                                    Post Of The Day

                                    Month

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                                    • RapidoR Rapido

                                      @booboo said in RWC: Japan v Ireland (Pool A):

                                      Haka hater gunna hate ...

                                      https://twitter.com/simonrug/status/1177923848735510531?s=19

                                      Doh! Embarrassing.

                                      Is he a public figure? Or some Twitter random?

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                                      @Rapido said in RWC: Japan v Ireland (Pool A):

                                      @booboo said in RWC: Japan v Ireland (Pool A):

                                      Haka hater gunna hate ...

                                      https://twitter.com/simonrug/status/1177923848735510531?s=19

                                      Doh! Embarrassing.

                                      Is he a public figure? Or some Twitter random?

                                      Apparently a newspaper sports columnist.

                                      Was the bloke who did the cliched anti haka column last week.

                                      https://i.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/rugby-world-cup/rwc-2019-japan/116072173/irish-rugby-writer-calls-for-all-blacks-to-stop-performing-the-haka

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                                        He dropped a couple of tweets about how boring the pool games are, how Uruguay-Fiji didn't mean anything, and how this next month is about trimming 9 teams down to 8.

                                        An Irish fan with a shorter memory than most.

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                                        • RapidoR Rapido

                                          @booboo said in RWC: Japan v Ireland (Pool A):

                                          Haka hater gunna hate ...

                                          https://twitter.com/simonrug/status/1177923848735510531?s=19

                                          Doh! Embarrassing.

                                          Is he a public figure? Or some Twitter random?

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                                          @Rapido said in RWC: Japan v Ireland (Pool A):

                                          @booboo said in RWC: Japan v Ireland (Pool A):

                                          Haka hater gunna hate ...

                                          https://twitter.com/simonrug/status/1177923848735510531?s=19

                                          Doh! Embarrassing.

                                          Is he a public figure? Or some Twitter random?

                                          From what I understand he’s a soccer writer who’s loathed by Irish rugby fans as well for being a troll .

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