RWC: England v Argentina (Pool C)
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@MrDenmore said in RWC: England v Argentina (Pool C):
@booboo Yes, and one day the world will be free. Give me a break.
Que?
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Will the constant red cards change the behaviour long term? I really don't think so, rugby is a full contact sport where the players are trying to make dominant tackles.
Of the 5 red cards so far in the tournament how many of the players meant to conduct foul play?
The current system basically ruins the game and as a paying customer I would be unhappy.
Look at the NRL, they penalise the player after the game in terms of suspension, they don't penalise the entire team and change the result.
I know old mate has a poor record but I highly doubt he meant to ruin the chances of his entire team.
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@MrDenmore said in RWC: England v Argentina (Pool C):
@MiketheSnow An extension of your argument. Don’t cheat on your tax returns (but people do). The fact is the incentives in professional sport are now at a level that players are going to break laws to win. It’s why Lance Armstrong won all those Tours de France denying he was drug enhanced when he was. It’s money that drives players at this level to infringe. Rugby wants to pretend it’s still an amateur sport. It isn’t. It’s big business. I’m not arguing that players should be put in peril for our entertainment. But. I’m saying if the sanctions system destroys the game as spectacle, the money won’t flow. Kearns is right. It will kill the sport.
Using Kearns to support your argument.
You're embarrassing yourself now.
@MiketheSnow said in RWC: England v Argentina (Pool C):
@MrDenmore said in RWC: England v Argentina (Pool C):
@MiketheSnow An extension of your argument. Don’t cheat on your tax returns (but people do). The fact is the incentives in professional sport are now at a level that players are going to break laws to win. It’s why Lance Armstrong won all those Tours de France denying he was drug enhanced when he was. It’s money that drives players at this level to infringe. Rugby wants to pretend it’s still an amateur sport. It isn’t. It’s big business. I’m not arguing that players should be put in peril for our entertainment. But. I’m saying if the sanctions system destroys the game as spectacle, the money won’t flow. Kearns is right. It will kill the sport.
Using Kearns to support your argument.
You're embarrassing yourself now.
Worth a "retweet"
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@MrDenmore said in RWC: England v Argentina (Pool C):
@booboo Yes, and one day the world will be free. Give me a break.
Que?
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Ireally hope we get to play against Heinz, and Vunipolas
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I really don't understand why Farrell is still on the pitch
Without him England have no chance
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@akan004 said in RWC: England v Argentina (Pool C):
@westcoastie said in RWC: England v Argentina (Pool C):
how the fuck do England plan to make it through four games and have enough in the tank to win a final. they're fucked,
I agree but with Argentina being knocked out now, Jones could rest a lot of his starters against France. France beating Argentina in that first game has given England this option.
this is very true - hadn't considered that angle - but a win tonight doesn't mean they top the pool does it. Plus a loss to France, puts them into a quarter with Wales compared to Australia. They want and need to win the pool.
@westcoastie said in RWC: England v Argentina (Pool C):
@akan004 said in RWC: England v Argentina (Pool C):
@westcoastie said in RWC: England v Argentina (Pool C):
how the fuck do England plan to make it through four games and have enough in the tank to win a final. they're fucked,
I agree but with Argentina being knocked out now, Jones could rest a lot of his starters against France. France beating Argentina in that first game has given England this option.
this is very true - hadn't considered that angle - but a win tonight doesn't mean they top the pool does it. Plus a loss to France, puts them into a quarter with Wales compared to Australia. They want and need to win the pool.
Yeah, that's true. If they want to avoid Wales then they will start their 1stXV against France. Wonder if they really care though about who they play in the 1/4 as Australia won't be an easy proposition either. This way they avoid us (most likely) in the semi and it helps to prevent their players from fatiguing.
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@akan004 said in RWC: England v Argentina (Pool C):
@westcoastie said in RWC: England v Argentina (Pool C):
how the fuck do England plan to make it through four games and have enough in the tank to win a final. they're fucked,
I agree but with Argentina being knocked out now, Jones could rest a lot of his starters against France. France beating Argentina in that first game has given England this option.
this is very true - hadn't considered that angle - but a win tonight doesn't mean they top the pool does it. Plus a loss to France, puts them into a quarter with Wales compared to Australia. They want and need to win the pool.
@westcoastie said in RWC: England v Argentina (Pool C):
this is very true - hadn't considered that angle - but a win tonight doesn't mean they top the pool does it. Plus a loss to France, puts them into a quarter with Wales compared to Australia. They want and need to win the pool.
If the Aussie forwards play like they did in the 2nd half against Wales and Cheika starts To'omua they can beat England.
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@westcoastie said in RWC: England v Argentina (Pool C):
this is very true - hadn't considered that angle - but a win tonight doesn't mean they top the pool does it. Plus a loss to France, puts them into a quarter with Wales compared to Australia. They want and need to win the pool.
If the Aussie forwards play like they did in the 2nd half against Wales and Cheika starts To'omua they can beat England.
@Bovidae said in RWC: England v Argentina (Pool C):
@westcoastie said in RWC: England v Argentina (Pool C):
this is very true - hadn't considered that angle - but a win tonight doesn't mean they top the pool does it. Plus a loss to France, puts them into a quarter with Wales compared to Australia. They want and need to win the pool.
If the Aussie forwards play like they did in the 2nd half against Wales and Cheika starts To'omua they can beat England.
Neither Australia nor Wales will be concerned if England rock up and play this way.
Very easy to defend against with 15 on the park.
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I think Argentina checked out once the card was issued. Worst game of the WC I have seen so far.
@chimoaus said in RWC: England v Argentina (Pool C):
I think Argentina checked out once the card was issued. Worst game of the WC I have seen so far.
Its been a gradual lack of interest - they certainly haven't threatened much.
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Can see he's happy about that! Grin at not getting a yellow for elbow to the face....late...
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@chimoaus said in RWC: England v Argentina (Pool C):
I think Argentina checked out once the card was issued. Worst game of the WC I have seen so far.
Its been a gradual lack of interest - they certainly haven't threatened much.
@westcoastie said in RWC: England v Argentina (Pool C):
@chimoaus said in RWC: England v Argentina (Pool C):
I think Argentina checked out once the card was issued. Worst game of the WC I have seen so far.
Its been a gradual lack of interest - they certainly haven't threatened much.
They've been the disappointment of the RWC for me. I thought they'd stich up France and give England a run.
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@chimoaus said in RWC: England v Argentina (Pool C):
I think Argentina checked out once the card was issued. Worst game of the WC I have seen so far.
Its been a gradual lack of interest - they certainly haven't threatened much.
@westcoastie said in RWC: England v Argentina (Pool C):
@chimoaus said in RWC: England v Argentina (Pool C):
I think Argentina checked out once the card was issued. Worst game of the WC I have seen so far.
Its been a gradual lack of interest - they certainly haven't threatened much.
It's pretty typical Argentina if you ask me, against the big sides.
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Can see he's happy about that! Grin at not getting a yellow for elbow to the face....late...
@Bones said in RWC: England v Argentina (Pool C):
Can see he's happy about that! Grin at not getting a yellow for elbow to the face....late...
Bullshit again
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@Gunner said in RWC: England v Argentina (Pool C):
@Bones said in RWC: England v Argentina (Pool C):
@Gunner said in RWC: England v Argentina (Pool C):
@Bones said in RWC: England v Argentina (Pool C):
@Gunner said in RWC: England v Argentina (Pool C):
@MiketheSnow said in RWC: England v Argentina (Pool C):
@MrDenmore said in RWC: England v Argentina (Pool C):
@Gunner Quite. And the paying public might well ask for their money back. Even better, a class action against the piston wristed gibbons who run World Rugby.
Give it up ffs.
The guy went for a hard hit against arguably England's best / most influential player.
He got it wrong.
He was suitably punished.
It's not that difficult.
I don’t believe anyone is arguing about the crime and punishment. We can park that.
It’s about common sense and not punishing a team for one of their players actions.
Red cards have become more common than hot dinners, and I like many others see it as a problem for the game.
What the hell is this? Are you another wanting penalties removed from the game? Knock ons should be play on? We wouldn't want to punish a team for the actions of a player! It's a fricken team game.
The problem isn't the cards.
You’re being totally ridiculous now.
The point is red cards get dished out every second or third game nowadays, so do we really want to see 1/3 of rugby games decided by red cards?
I don’t, and I suspect thousands of other people don’t. People will stop watching, simple as that.
I'm not the one who started being ridiculous. You've changed your point now. So you don't mind a team being punished for the actions of a player?
Is it that hard to understand the cards aren't the problem? It's odd, I thought most of the time they don't just appear out of midair. I wonder why we would see cards in a game?
Can I have some of whatever you’re smoking?
I have not changed my point.
It’s simple, I think the amount of red cards being handed out these days is ruining too many rugby games.
You don’t.
We could go round in circles all night but instead let’s just agree to disagree.
You said a team shouldn't be punished for the actions of a player. It's right there in your posts. But yeah I'm smoking something eh?
The game hasn't been ruined by the amount of cards.
@Bones said in RWC: England v Argentina (Pool C):
@Gunner said in RWC: England v Argentina (Pool C):
@Bones said in RWC: England v Argentina (Pool C):
@Gunner said in RWC: England v Argentina (Pool C):
@Bones said in RWC: England v Argentina (Pool C):
@Gunner said in RWC: England v Argentina (Pool C):
@MiketheSnow said in RWC: England v Argentina (Pool C):
@MrDenmore said in RWC: England v Argentina (Pool C):
@Gunner Quite. And the paying public might well ask for their money back. Even better, a class action against the piston wristed gibbons who run World Rugby.
Give it up ffs.
The guy went for a hard hit against arguably England's best / most influential player.
He got it wrong.
He was suitably punished.
It's not that difficult.
I don’t believe anyone is arguing about the crime and punishment. We can park that.
It’s about common sense and not punishing a team for one of their players actions.
Red cards have become more common than hot dinners, and I like many others see it as a problem for the game.
What the hell is this? Are you another wanting penalties removed from the game? Knock ons should be play on? We wouldn't want to punish a team for the actions of a player! It's a fricken team game.
The problem isn't the cards.
You’re being totally ridiculous now.
The point is red cards get dished out every second or third game nowadays, so do we really want to see 1/3 of rugby games decided by red cards?
I don’t, and I suspect thousands of other people don’t. People will stop watching, simple as that.
I'm not the one who started being ridiculous. You've changed your point now. So you don't mind a team being punished for the actions of a player?
Is it that hard to understand the cards aren't the problem? It's odd, I thought most of the time they don't just appear out of midair. I wonder why we would see cards in a game?
Can I have some of whatever you’re smoking?
I have not changed my point.
It’s simple, I think the amount of red cards being handed out these days is ruining too many rugby games.
You don’t.
We could go round in circles all night but instead let’s just agree to disagree.
You said a team shouldn't be punished for the actions of a player. It's right there in your posts. But yeah I'm smoking something eh?
The game hasn't been ruined by the amount of cards.
Apologies, that was a bad choice of words to use. I knew the context I was using them...
My point stands, red cards are ruining rugby.
Don’t see the issue with the red carded player being replaced after 10 minutes then being dealt with by the judiciary afterwards.
I’m telling you now, people will stop watching if the current trend of red cards continues and the system around them stays the same.
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