RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2)
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TOKYO, 14 Oct - Ireland centre Bundee Aki attended a disciplinary hearing on 14 October having received a red card from referee Nic Berry for an act of foul play contrary to Law 9.13 (dangerous tackle) in Ireland’s Rugby World Cup 2019 Pool A match against Samoa on 12 October.
The independent Judicial Committee was chaired by Adam Casselden SC (Australia) joined by former international coach Frank Hadden (Scotland) and former referee Valeriu Toma (Romania).
The player sought to overturn the red card. Having considered all the angles of the incident, together with evidence from the player and his representatives, the committee upheld the decision of the referee.
The committee considered the High Tackle Sanction Framework and decided the following:
There was direct contact of the player’s left shoulder to the ball carrier’s head
The Judicial Committee did not accept that there was a low degree of danger
Although the tackle occurred quickly, the player’s tackle height was high and it was accepted he did not make a definite attempt to change his height in order to avoid the ball carrier’s head
The committee did not accept that there was sufficient evidence of a sudden drop in the ball carrier‘s height
The tackle was an attempted dominant tackle, rather than a reactionary tackle, and in any event there was no immediate release as the player wrapped his arms around the Samoa No.10
The player was in open space and had a clear line of sight before the contact
There are accordingly no clear and obvious mitigating factors
Therefore, on the balance of probabilities, the committee did not find that the referee’s decision was wrong and the red card was upheld.Given the above outcomes, the committee applied World Rugby’s mandatory minimum mid-range entry point, which was introduced in 2017 to protect player welfare, deter high contact and prevent head injuries. This resulted in a starting point of a six-week suspension.
Taking into account the mitigating factors that are considered in relation to sanction, including the player’s good disciplinary record, the committee reduced the six-week entry point by the maximum permitted three weeks, resulting in a sanction of three weeks, which equates to three matches in the context of Rugby World Cup 2019.
Aki will miss Ireland’s quarter-final against New Zealand on 19 October, the semi-final and final of Rugby World Cup 2019 should Ireland qualify or should Ireland not qualify for these games, the player’s next club match or matches with Connacht in the PRO14 on his return from international duty.
@Daffy-Jaffy The IRU got their money's worth out of the fancy lawyer they flew over.
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Barnes is going to referee the game. Very happy with that, Gardner would have been our worst nightmare.
@The-Irishman said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
Barnes is going to referee the game. Very happy with that, Gardner would have been our worst nightmare.
Confirmed? I assumed that we would not get a southern hemisphere referee, the NH unions would not allow it because it feels like stacking the deck in our favour. I would rather have Barnes than the frog men at this point. At least he won't probably miss any forward passes this time....
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@Daffy-Jaffy The IRU got their money's worth out of the fancy lawyer they flew over.
@Bovidae said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@Daffy-Jaffy The IRU got their money's worth out of the fancy lawyer they flew over.
It was great PR though
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@The-Irishman said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
Barnes is going to referee the game. Very happy with that, Gardner would have been our worst nightmare.
Confirmed? I assumed that we would not get a southern hemisphere referee, the NH unions would not allow it because it feels like stacking the deck in our favour. I would rather have Barnes than the frog men at this point. At least he won't probably miss any forward passes this time....
@canefan said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@The-Irishman said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
Barnes is going to referee the game. Very happy with that, Gardner would have been our worst nightmare.
Confirmed? I assumed that we would not get a southern hemisphere referee, the NH unions would not allow it because it feels like stacking the deck in our favour. I would rather have Barnes than the frog men at this point. At least he won't probably miss any forward passes this time....
Jeepers mate. Since when do unions appoint referees?? You sound paranoid.
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@canefan said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@The-Irishman said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
Barnes is going to referee the game. Very happy with that, Gardner would have been our worst nightmare.
Confirmed? I assumed that we would not get a southern hemisphere referee, the NH unions would not allow it because it feels like stacking the deck in our favour. I would rather have Barnes than the frog men at this point. At least he won't probably miss any forward passes this time....
Jeepers mate. Since when do unions appoint referees?? You sound paranoid.
@Billy-Tell said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@canefan said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@The-Irishman said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
Barnes is going to referee the game. Very happy with that, Gardner would have been our worst nightmare.
Confirmed? I assumed that we would not get a southern hemisphere referee, the NH unions would not allow it because it feels like stacking the deck in our favour. I would rather have Barnes than the frog men at this point. At least he won't probably miss any forward passes this time....
Jeepers mate. Since when do unions appoint referees?? You sound paranoid.
Not trying to, I just expected us to get one of the Frenchies
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@Daffy-Jaffy The IRU got their money's worth out of the fancy lawyer they flew over.
@Bovidae said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@Daffy-Jaffy The IRU got their money's worth out of the fancy lawyer they flew over.
I think the English carry one on their staff. All disciplinary hearings need lawyers these days, it's kind of weird, but I guess improves the process.
Clearly not the consistency though
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@Billy-Tell said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@canefan said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@The-Irishman said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
Barnes is going to referee the game. Very happy with that, Gardner would have been our worst nightmare.
Confirmed? I assumed that we would not get a southern hemisphere referee, the NH unions would not allow it because it feels like stacking the deck in our favour. I would rather have Barnes than the frog men at this point. At least he won't probably miss any forward passes this time....
Jeepers mate. Since when do unions appoint referees?? You sound paranoid.
Not trying to, I just expected us to get one of the Frenchies
@canefan said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@Billy-Tell said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@canefan said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@The-Irishman said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
Barnes is going to referee the game. Very happy with that, Gardner would have been our worst nightmare.
Confirmed? I assumed that we would not get a southern hemisphere referee, the NH unions would not allow it because it feels like stacking the deck in our favour. I would rather have Barnes than the frog men at this point. At least he won't probably miss any forward passes this time....
Jeepers mate. Since when do unions appoint referees?? You sound paranoid.
Not trying to, I just expected us to get one of the Frenchies
The refs all reviewed. I expect them to add experience into the mix for the choice. On form the French refs should miss out but they are experienced. Barnes has form and experience. So he’ll be one of the refs for sure
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@canefan said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@Billy-Tell said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@canefan said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@The-Irishman said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
Barnes is going to referee the game. Very happy with that, Gardner would have been our worst nightmare.
Confirmed? I assumed that we would not get a southern hemisphere referee, the NH unions would not allow it because it feels like stacking the deck in our favour. I would rather have Barnes than the frog men at this point. At least he won't probably miss any forward passes this time....
Jeepers mate. Since when do unions appoint referees?? You sound paranoid.
Not trying to, I just expected us to get one of the Frenchies
The refs all reviewed. I expect them to add experience into the mix for the choice. On form the French refs should miss out but they are experienced. Barnes has form and experience. So he’ll be one of the refs for sure
@Billy-Tell said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
The refs all reviewed. I expect them to add experience into the mix for the choice. On form the French refs should miss out but they are experienced. Barnes has form and experience. So he’ll be one of the refs for sure
Given that 4 of the 12 refs are French there is a good chance at least one, if not two, are involved in the QF and SFs. Those from the 12 that aren't selected will likely be ARs.
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@Billy-Tell said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
The refs all reviewed. I expect them to add experience into the mix for the choice. On form the French refs should miss out but they are experienced. Barnes has form and experience. So he’ll be one of the refs for sure
Given that 4 of the 12 refs are French there is a good chance at least one, if not two, are involved in the QF and SFs. Those from the 12 that aren't selected will likely be ARs.
@Bovidae said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@Billy-Tell said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
The refs all reviewed. I expect them to add experience into the mix for the choice. On form the French refs should miss out but they are experienced. Barnes has form and experience. So he’ll be one of the refs for sure
Given that 4 of the 12 refs are French there is a good chance at least one, if not two, are involved in the QF and SFs. Those from the 12 that aren't selected will likely be ARs.
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Media seem to be hinting at ALB 12 Goodhue 13
@kiwiinmelb that was the duo in the fake team that was released last week
Gotta feel for Aki (or anyone that finds themselves in a similar position) all the work to get to this, then a momentary lapse and your dreams are gone!
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TAB odds are clearcut for all the QFs.
https://www.tab.co.nz/sports/quick-multi
If you believe these; South Africa, New Zealand, England and Wales will all win comfortably.
I'd bet against that happening - though, I reckon the Jaapies will be comfortably too good for Japan.
@Chris-B said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
TAB odds are clearcut for all the QFs.
https://www.tab.co.nz/sports/quick-multi
If you believe these; South Africa, New Zealand, England and Wales will all win comfortably.
I'd bet against that happening - though, I reckon the Jaapies will be comfortably too good for Japan.
Aus 1-12 @ $4.50 (yesterday) didnt look the worst value bet out there
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@Chris-B said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
TAB odds are clearcut for all the QFs.
https://www.tab.co.nz/sports/quick-multi
If you believe these; South Africa, New Zealand, England and Wales will all win comfortably.
I'd bet against that happening - though, I reckon the Jaapies will be comfortably too good for Japan.
Aus 1-12 @ $4.50 (yesterday) didnt look the worst value bet out there
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@Chris-B said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
TAB odds are clearcut for all the QFs.
https://www.tab.co.nz/sports/quick-multi
If you believe these; South Africa, New Zealand, England and Wales will all win comfortably.
I'd bet against that happening - though, I reckon the Jaapies will be comfortably too good for Japan.
Aus 1-12 @ $4.50 (yesterday) didnt look the worst value bet out there
@JK said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@Chris-B said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
TAB odds are clearcut for all the QFs.
https://www.tab.co.nz/sports/quick-multi
If you believe these; South Africa, New Zealand, England and Wales will all win comfortably.
I'd bet against that happening - though, I reckon the Jaapies will be comfortably too good for Japan.
Aus 1-12 @ $4.50 (yesterday) didnt look the worst value bet out there
A lazy $100 at those odds would help pay for the years of therapy I’ll need if we lose .
Or a bender , it’s good to have options
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@MajorRage said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
There was little chance of him getting off, it would set a precedent of inconsistency which is where most criticism of world rugby is aimed.
Now, watch us get a red card on the weekend then get it overturned ... that'll feed the conspiracy theorists!
Has Jones tweeted yet that apparently it was a 14 man commitee who all agreed to overturn, except for the NZ rep who denied?
And the Irish rep who denied, no...?
@Billy-Tell said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@MajorRage said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
There was little chance of him getting off, it would set a precedent of inconsistency which is where most criticism of world rugby is aimed.
Now, watch us get a red card on the weekend then get it overturned ... that'll feed the conspiracy theorists!
Has Jones tweeted yet that apparently it was a 14 man commitee who all agreed to overturn, except for the NZ rep who denied?
And the Irish rep who denied, no...?
That would be a touch far fetched ...
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@mariner4life said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@Derm-McCrum said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@No-Quarter said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@The-Irishman said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
Hansen knows this Irish team very well now.
Last year in Dublin New Zealand were at the end of a hard season and had a tough game against the English.
They will be fresh and well prep'd. I can see them sucking the Irish in the centre of the park, forcing them to commit players to the ruck, then hitting them out wide. I hope I'm wrong, obviously, but I can see a pretty big scoreline for the AB's.
You may be new to the Fern but you've obviously played this underdog game before, and I won't let this continue. Ireland are odds on favourites, theirs to lose. Would be very surprised if the ABs got up.
Err
New Zealand 1/5 on
Ireland 5/1Just sayin like...
pfffft, sounds like another Paddy Power promotion to merk people.
Yes - Paddy Power and 16 other firms on Oddschecker.
@Derm-McCrum said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@mariner4life said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@Derm-McCrum said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@No-Quarter said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@The-Irishman said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
Hansen knows this Irish team very well now.
Last year in Dublin New Zealand were at the end of a hard season and had a tough game against the English.
They will be fresh and well prep'd. I can see them sucking the Irish in the centre of the park, forcing them to commit players to the ruck, then hitting them out wide. I hope I'm wrong, obviously, but I can see a pretty big scoreline for the AB's.
You may be new to the Fern but you've obviously played this underdog game before, and I won't let this continue. Ireland are odds on favourites, theirs to lose. Would be very surprised if the ABs got up.
Err
New Zealand 1/5 on
Ireland 5/1Just sayin like...
pfffft, sounds like another Paddy Power promotion to merk people.
Yes - Paddy Power and 16 other firms on Oddschecker.
so it's a conspiracy then...
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@Derm-McCrum said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@canefan said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@Chris-B said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@Bones Who knows what powder Schmidt has in his magazine?
I suspect they are on a downward slide after their pinnacle 18 months ago. Same game plan, Japan out thought them and out paced them. If we are on song it could be a big win. And like the 2015 QF, there are scores to settle
18 months ago they were in the middle of the Six Nations.
How far down the slide were they, when they played Argentina and NZ?
The team had a middling 6N and RWC build up. They got found out by Japan, and beat Scotland in a game that was played at slo mo pace. Of course they are a danger and everything that has come before will count for nothing if they can win on the weekend. But my observation (often from afar) is that after the highlight of the Dublin win against the ABs they have looked less than their best. Time will tell if the team were merely keeping their powder dry for an AB QF. Maybe that was the plan all along, knock us out in the QF before having to potentially meet us deeper in the tournament? :winking_face:
@canefan said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@Derm-McCrum said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@canefan said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@Chris-B said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@Bones Who knows what powder Schmidt has in his magazine?
I suspect they are on a downward slide after their pinnacle 18 months ago. Same game plan, Japan out thought them and out paced them. If we are on song it could be a big win. And like the 2015 QF, there are scores to settle
18 months ago they were in the middle of the Six Nations.
How far down the slide were they, when they played Argentina and NZ?
The team had a middling 6N and RWC build up. They got found out by Japan, and beat Scotland in a game that was played at slo mo pace. Of course they are a danger and everything that has come before will count for nothing if they can win on the weekend. But my observation (often from afar) is that after the highlight of the Dublin win against the ABs they have looked less than their best. Time will tell if the team were merely keeping their powder dry for an AB QF. Maybe that was the plan all along, knock us out in the QF before having to potentially meet us deeper in the tournament? :winking_face:
No idea if they can. They were 6-7 months into a slide in form when they beat Italy, Argentina, NZ and USA, but the cracks only started to show in the 6N.
They won two against Wales in RWC warm-ups fairly handily, and a second/third string team got hammered by England. Put Scotland away handily, but their lineup against Japan wasn’t good enough despite scoring tries 2-1. Russia and Samoa were disposed of handily enough.
On the face of it, they don’t look like they can win next weekend. And the bookies and Irish media and fans generally seem to agree.
NZ by 20 probably.
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@Derm-McCrum said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@mariner4life said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@Derm-McCrum said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@No-Quarter said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@The-Irishman said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
Hansen knows this Irish team very well now.
Last year in Dublin New Zealand were at the end of a hard season and had a tough game against the English.
They will be fresh and well prep'd. I can see them sucking the Irish in the centre of the park, forcing them to commit players to the ruck, then hitting them out wide. I hope I'm wrong, obviously, but I can see a pretty big scoreline for the AB's.
You may be new to the Fern but you've obviously played this underdog game before, and I won't let this continue. Ireland are odds on favourites, theirs to lose. Would be very surprised if the ABs got up.
Err
New Zealand 1/5 on
Ireland 5/1Just sayin like...
pfffft, sounds like another Paddy Power promotion to merk people.
Yes - Paddy Power and 16 other firms on Oddschecker.
so it's a conspiracy then...
@mariner4life said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@Derm-McCrum said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@mariner4life said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@Derm-McCrum said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@No-Quarter said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@The-Irishman said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
Hansen knows this Irish team very well now.
Last year in Dublin New Zealand were at the end of a hard season and had a tough game against the English.
They will be fresh and well prep'd. I can see them sucking the Irish in the centre of the park, forcing them to commit players to the ruck, then hitting them out wide. I hope I'm wrong, obviously, but I can see a pretty big scoreline for the AB's.
You may be new to the Fern but you've obviously played this underdog game before, and I won't let this continue. Ireland are odds on favourites, theirs to lose. Would be very surprised if the ABs got up.
Err
New Zealand 1/5 on
Ireland 5/1Just sayin like...
pfffft, sounds like another Paddy Power promotion to merk people.
Yes - Paddy Power and 16 other firms on Oddschecker.
so it's a conspiracy then...
Nah - the fix is in. WR have put Barnes in charge. The hex ref.
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@mariner4life said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@Derm-McCrum said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@mariner4life said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@Derm-McCrum said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@No-Quarter said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@The-Irishman said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
Hansen knows this Irish team very well now.
Last year in Dublin New Zealand were at the end of a hard season and had a tough game against the English.
They will be fresh and well prep'd. I can see them sucking the Irish in the centre of the park, forcing them to commit players to the ruck, then hitting them out wide. I hope I'm wrong, obviously, but I can see a pretty big scoreline for the AB's.
You may be new to the Fern but you've obviously played this underdog game before, and I won't let this continue. Ireland are odds on favourites, theirs to lose. Would be very surprised if the ABs got up.
Err
New Zealand 1/5 on
Ireland 5/1Just sayin like...
pfffft, sounds like another Paddy Power promotion to merk people.
Yes - Paddy Power and 16 other firms on Oddschecker.
so it's a conspiracy then...
Nah - the fix is in. WR have put Barnes in charge. The hex ref.
@Derm-McCrum said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@mariner4life said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@Derm-McCrum said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@mariner4life said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@Derm-McCrum said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@No-Quarter said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@The-Irishman said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
Hansen knows this Irish team very well now.
Last year in Dublin New Zealand were at the end of a hard season and had a tough game against the English.
They will be fresh and well prep'd. I can see them sucking the Irish in the centre of the park, forcing them to commit players to the ruck, then hitting them out wide. I hope I'm wrong, obviously, but I can see a pretty big scoreline for the AB's.
You may be new to the Fern but you've obviously played this underdog game before, and I won't let this continue. Ireland are odds on favourites, theirs to lose. Would be very surprised if the ABs got up.
Err
New Zealand 1/5 on
Ireland 5/1Just sayin like...
pfffft, sounds like another Paddy Power promotion to merk people.
Yes - Paddy Power and 16 other firms on Oddschecker.
so it's a conspiracy then...
Nah - the fix is in. WR have put Barnes in charge. The hex ref.
Jesus Christ , Barnes . Hey good luck in the semis . Who’s your preference to play against ?
