RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1)
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@Bovidae last few years have shown SBW was always in the coaches plans, Crotty was probably the fly in the ointment: such a classy player but probably didnt quite suit what they are trying to achieve currently.
That said, if we win and meet SA in the final, is Crotty the best option then given how he & ALB went last outing, or is the fact he wont have played for a month make it too hard to get back barring injury?
@taniwharugby said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
That said, if we win and meet SA in the final, is Crotty the best option then given how he & ALB went last outing, or is the fact he wont have played for a month make it too hard to get back barring injury?
I think they would stay with ALB-Goodhue. Goodhue wasn't available to play SA and SBW seems to have been given the role as the reserve midfielder, coming on after ~50 mins.
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@taniwharugby said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
That said, if we win and meet SA in the final, is Crotty the best option then given how he & ALB went last outing, or is the fact he wont have played for a month make it too hard to get back barring injury?
I think they would stay with ALB-Goodhue. Goodhue wasn't available to play SA and SBW seems to have been given the role as the reserve midfielder, coming on after ~50 mins.
@Bovidae I think they will too, just bored at my sons TKD grading and speculating while waiting for his turn.
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On the topic of dry powder.....
Savea and Barret starting at 6 was discussed a lot and becomes a reality!
Picking players on form ie Reece and Bridge who would have thunk it at the start of Super Rugby?
I love the way that the team selected is not what scheming Eddie has been planning on!
Also the pod formations have developed to a new level but remain interchangeable making it near impossible to pick how we will structure our set up for attack.
Throw the twin attack of Richie and Beauden into the mix and potentially this could be one of the great AB sides!
We have a tight 5 to match up to anyone but across the rest of the park we have unmatched talent with a youthful enthusiasm that is irresistible!
If we lose it will not be through conservative selections!
ABs by 12
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@canefan cool
@BerniesCorner said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
@canefan cool
great username.
I dug up a small part of Bernies Corner in the middle of the night when Athletic Park was being demoed. Planted it in the back yard in Christchurch, as an outpost of the Wellington. Unfortunately didn't get a chance to take it with me when I moved ... regrets, eh, was a piece of history
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What are we guessing Eddie has planned ,
Will he revisit his 03 plan of holding on to the ball for long periods , can’t help but think he will be attempting to give us nothing but scraps , and when they do kick , go high and challenge in the air .
It’s interesting when he talks about Playing New Zealand and what you have to do, like it’s very different to any other team.
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What are we guessing Eddie has planned ,
Will he revisit his 03 plan of holding on to the ball for long periods , can’t help but think he will be attempting to give us nothing but scraps , and when they do kick , go high and challenge in the air .
It’s interesting when he talks about Playing New Zealand and what you have to do, like it’s very different to any other team.
@kiwiinmelb said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
What are we guessing Eddie has planned ,
Will he revisit his 03 plan of holding on to the ball for long periods , can’t help but think he will be attempting to give us nothing but scraps , and when they do kick , go high and challenge in the air .
It’s interesting when he talks about Playing New Zealand and what you have to do, like it’s very different to any other team.
If they have another plan I would be surprised. That would be bone dry powder
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What are we guessing Eddie has planned ,
Will he revisit his 03 plan of holding on to the ball for long periods , can’t help but think he will be attempting to give us nothing but scraps , and when they do kick , go high and challenge in the air .
It’s interesting when he talks about Playing New Zealand and what you have to do, like it’s very different to any other team.
@kiwiinmelb said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
Will he revisit his 03 plan of holding on to the ball for long periods , can’t help but think he will be attempting to give us nothing but scraps , and when they do kick , go high and challenge in the air .
Pretty safe bet, and probably why we have Red Barrett starting as another lineout target to counter some of that and ensure we get possession.
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@Bovidae last few years have shown SBW was always in the coaches plans, Crotty was probably the fly in the ointment: such a classy player but probably didnt quite suit what they are trying to achieve currently.
That said, if we win and meet SA in the final, is Crotty the best option then given how he & ALB went last outing, or is the fact he wont have played for a month make it too hard to get back barring injury?
@taniwharugby said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
@Bovidae last few years have shown SBW was always in the coaches plans, Crotty was probably the fly in the ointment: such a classy player but probably didnt quite suit what they are trying to achieve currently.
That said, if we win and meet SA in the final, is Crotty the best option then given how he & ALB went last outing, or is the fact he wont have played for a month make it too hard to get back barring injury?
I wonder if once they got into camp TWM decided ALB was better at finding the gaps created by the new multipod system? Interesting that they resisted tempatation to take a second 'basher' at 12.
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@Frank said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
@JC said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
@pakman said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
@BartMan said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
Well if we lose, silver lining. Foster won't be new head coach....
And of course there's chinks in the armour, but the armour is constantly evolving. I mean, I haven't seen the All Black forwards play that directly since first Lions test last series.
And as an aside, all this 'knowing how to beat All Blacks' shit past players are spouting.
Lion's second test last series? So they need to get an AB sent off after 24 minutes, that's a tough game plan to implement on a regular basis methinks!
Boers last year? Get the ABs to gift you 21 points and then hang on!!I think the only real beating up of the ABs the last few years is Paddies in Chicago and Convicts in Perth. The rest of the losses are just the ABs running out of time to win
In Hong Kong airport sweating on my flight to Tokyo!
No complaints about Perth.
Perth was valuable IMO. They played passively and got well beaten by a better team and guess what? The world didn’t end. Hansen didn’t get fired, no players got threatened by the public, a handful of nutters calling up ZB and the troll journos with their clickbait and that’s it. Compare that to the reaction at previous losses. I think the general public would like the ABs to win, and believe they have the tools to do it, but nobody is going to die if they don’t. That’s got to be a great relief of pressure on the team right there.
I love how you leave out the subsequent meltdown on the Fern.
Very slick.Oh I don’t count them. Morans the lot of them.
@JC said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
@Frank said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
@JC said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
@pakman said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
@BartMan said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
Well if we lose, silver lining. Foster won't be new head coach....
And of course there's chinks in the armour, but the armour is constantly evolving. I mean, I haven't seen the All Black forwards play that directly since first Lions test last series.
And as an aside, all this 'knowing how to beat All Blacks' shit past players are spouting.
Lion's second test last series? So they need to get an AB sent off after 24 minutes, that's a tough game plan to implement on a regular basis methinks!
Boers last year? Get the ABs to gift you 21 points and then hang on!!I think the only real beating up of the ABs the last few years is Paddies in Chicago and Convicts in Perth. The rest of the losses are just the ABs running out of time to win
In Hong Kong airport sweating on my flight to Tokyo!
No complaints about Perth.
Perth was valuable IMO. They played passively and got well beaten by a better team and guess what? The world didn’t end. Hansen didn’t get fired, no players got threatened by the public, a handful of nutters calling up ZB and the troll journos with their clickbait and that’s it. Compare that to the reaction at previous losses. I think the general public would like the ABs to win, and believe they have the tools to do it, but nobody is going to die if they don’t. That’s got to be a great relief of pressure on the team right there.
I love how you leave out the subsequent meltdown on the Fern.
Very slick.Oh I don’t count them. Morans the lot of them.
Is that the Irish branch of the Moron clan?
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Well If true , I guess the only surprise element maybe where they send their runners , has he identified something in our defence that he thinks he can exploit ?
@kiwiinmelb said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
Well If true , I guess the only surprise element maybe where they send their runners , has he identified something in our defence that he thinks he can exploit ?
Dunno, an intercept worked last time though.
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@JC said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
@Frank said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
@JC said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
@pakman said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
@BartMan said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
Well if we lose, silver lining. Foster won't be new head coach....
And of course there's chinks in the armour, but the armour is constantly evolving. I mean, I haven't seen the All Black forwards play that directly since first Lions test last series.
And as an aside, all this 'knowing how to beat All Blacks' shit past players are spouting.
Lion's second test last series? So they need to get an AB sent off after 24 minutes, that's a tough game plan to implement on a regular basis methinks!
Boers last year? Get the ABs to gift you 21 points and then hang on!!I think the only real beating up of the ABs the last few years is Paddies in Chicago and Convicts in Perth. The rest of the losses are just the ABs running out of time to win
In Hong Kong airport sweating on my flight to Tokyo!
No complaints about Perth.
Perth was valuable IMO. They played passively and got well beaten by a better team and guess what? The world didn’t end. Hansen didn’t get fired, no players got threatened by the public, a handful of nutters calling up ZB and the troll journos with their clickbait and that’s it. Compare that to the reaction at previous losses. I think the general public would like the ABs to win, and believe they have the tools to do it, but nobody is going to die if they don’t. That’s got to be a great relief of pressure on the team right there.
I love how you leave out the subsequent meltdown on the Fern.
Very slick.Oh I don’t count them. Morans the lot of them.
Is that the Irish branch of the Moron clan?
@pakman said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
@JC said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
@Frank said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
@JC said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
@pakman said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
@BartMan said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
Well if we lose, silver lining. Foster won't be new head coach....
And of course there's chinks in the armour, but the armour is constantly evolving. I mean, I haven't seen the All Black forwards play that directly since first Lions test last series.
And as an aside, all this 'knowing how to beat All Blacks' shit past players are spouting.
Lion's second test last series? So they need to get an AB sent off after 24 minutes, that's a tough game plan to implement on a regular basis methinks!
Boers last year? Get the ABs to gift you 21 points and then hang on!!I think the only real beating up of the ABs the last few years is Paddies in Chicago and Convicts in Perth. The rest of the losses are just the ABs running out of time to win
In Hong Kong airport sweating on my flight to Tokyo!
No complaints about Perth.
Perth was valuable IMO. They played passively and got well beaten by a better team and guess what? The world didn’t end. Hansen didn’t get fired, no players got threatened by the public, a handful of nutters calling up ZB and the troll journos with their clickbait and that’s it. Compare that to the reaction at previous losses. I think the general public would like the ABs to win, and believe they have the tools to do it, but nobody is going to die if they don’t. That’s got to be a great relief of pressure on the team right there.
I love how you leave out the subsequent meltdown on the Fern.
Very slick.Oh I don’t count them. Morans the lot of them.
Is that the Irish branch of the Moron clan?
I thi k they’re actually from the island of Tokoroa.
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Eddie has been preparing to beat the All Blacks for the past 4 years.....but the trouble is, he's prepared for the 2018 team. He's worked out how to blunt SBW's penetration at 12, how to restrict Beauden's space at 10, how to exploit Franks' lack of mobility at prop, and how to test Ben Smith at 15 under the high ball.
The trouble is we're a slippery shapeshifting* ninja of a team that has evolved massively in the last 12 months, even the last 6 months! No opposition coach, not even Golden Eddie, can come up with a new plan and implement it in such a short timeframe. Credit to Shag and the team for being brave and changing things up. Beaunga, two brand new wingers, neither of Crotty/SBW starting, and Jordie coming on at 60mins is a fucking nightmare for the opposition because it's SO different to what they thought they'd be dealing with. Which is why we pump them tomorrow, and look great doing it
*borrowed that from another poster, but great word for it!
@TeWaio said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
The trouble is we're a slippery shapeshifting*
*borrowed that from another poster, but great word for it!
I'll take credit for coining that phrase
They are just amazing to watch at the moment, really got shown by the 1014 who were creaming themselves about what the ABs were doing -
She's a done deal according to some analytical thingee-ma-jig
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So when does the game start (NSW time)? I'm starting to go stir crazy and responding to laws debates.
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@SynicBast in 4 hours and 40 minutes...
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@Bones Thank you...might have to sequester myself in the garden shed with the laptop away from the annoying 3 year old
@SynicBast I'm actually a lot older than that, but fair enough.
