Cricket: NZ vs England
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Bit reminiscent of the CWC Final.
We had the foot on the throat several times in regulation and let them back in. Pretty disappointing.
Santner had a great series with the ball - player of the series for us.
Conversely, his spin partner Ish was disappointing - mainly got smoked.
Think we missed Ferguson in the last two games. Might have been the man for the super over.
Unless there's strong evidence that the pitch is going to turn, I hope they seriously consider playing Ferguson in the tests and not playing a spinner.
@Chris-B said in Cricket: NZ vs England:
Think we missed Ferguson in the last two games. Might have been the man for the super over.
Don't think they would have used Ferg for a super over at Eden park. Every edge or flick will be 6 or 4 even the slower ball probably. Agree they missed him and yeah should be considered for the tests.
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Cricket: NZ vs England:
@Hooroo said in Cricket: NZ vs England:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Cricket: NZ vs England:
@Hooroo said in Cricket: NZ vs England:
This is fascinating.
In my mind we have got away with murder with some of the wide calls
Did you see the first innings?
No. Just describing what I watched
The umpire was generous but consistent with the new interpretations
Can you fill me in? I’m not up to speed with the new interpretations.
Is it no longer wide if going down leg and batsman stays in normal position?
@Hooroo said in Cricket: NZ vs England:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Cricket: NZ vs England:
@Hooroo said in Cricket: NZ vs England:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Cricket: NZ vs England:
@Hooroo said in Cricket: NZ vs England:
This is fascinating.
In my mind we have got away with murder with some of the wide calls
Did you see the first innings?
No. Just describing what I watched
The umpire was generous but consistent with the new interpretations
Can you fill me in? I’m not up to speed with the new interpretations.
Is it no longer wide if going down leg and batsman stays in normal position?
Yip. But the wide moves with the batsmen now. So if he moves slightly to off and it just goes down leg often it is not callef
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@Hooroo said in Cricket: NZ vs England:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Cricket: NZ vs England:
@Hooroo said in Cricket: NZ vs England:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Cricket: NZ vs England:
@Hooroo said in Cricket: NZ vs England:
This is fascinating.
In my mind we have got away with murder with some of the wide calls
Did you see the first innings?
No. Just describing what I watched
The umpire was generous but consistent with the new interpretations
Can you fill me in? I’m not up to speed with the new interpretations.
Is it no longer wide if going down leg and batsman stays in normal position?
Yip. But the wide moves with the batsmen now. So if he moves slightly to off and it just goes down leg often it is not callef
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Cricket: NZ vs England:
@Hooroo said in Cricket: NZ vs England:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Cricket: NZ vs England:
@Hooroo said in Cricket: NZ vs England:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Cricket: NZ vs England:
@Hooroo said in Cricket: NZ vs England:
This is fascinating.
In my mind we have got away with murder with some of the wide calls
Did you see the first innings?
No. Just describing what I watched
The umpire was generous but consistent with the new interpretations
Can you fill me in? I’m not up to speed with the new interpretations.
Is it no longer wide if going down leg and batsman stays in normal position?
Yip. But the wide moves with the batsmen now. So if he moves slightly to off and it just goes down leg often it is not callef
Was an issue today where Boult bowled inside of the offside crease guide line and, presumably, the batsman had moved sufficiently leg side for a ball bowled inside the marker to be called wide.
Might have been an umpire mistake but we can't have balls inside the off marker being wided because of batsman moving
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Bit reminiscent of the CWC Final.
We had the foot on the throat several times in regulation and let them back in. Pretty disappointing.
Santner had a great series with the ball - player of the series for us.
Conversely, his spin partner Ish was disappointing - mainly got smoked.
Think we missed Ferguson in the last two games. Might have been the man for the super over.
Unless there's strong evidence that the pitch is going to turn, I hope they seriously consider playing Ferguson in the tests and not playing a spinner.
@Chris-B said in Cricket: NZ vs England:
Bit reminiscent of the CWC Final.
We had the foot on the throat several times in regulation and let them back in. Pretty disappointing.
Santner had a great series with the ball - player of the series for us.
Conversely, his spin partner Ish was disappointing - mainly got smoked.
The two overs where Ish went for 3 sixes ina row, after Kuggelijn got pumped cost us the game I reckon. 40 off two overs let them back in and surrendered the momentum nicely.
Also, Boult missed a straightforward runout, and that was super frustrating.
Then it was just down to two big sixes in the super over - they could, we couldn't. Good game. Shout out to the ground; had no expectation of play when it chucked it down all morning and early afternoon
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@Chris-B said in Cricket: NZ vs England:
Bit reminiscent of the CWC Final.
We had the foot on the throat several times in regulation and let them back in. Pretty disappointing.
Santner had a great series with the ball - player of the series for us.
Conversely, his spin partner Ish was disappointing - mainly got smoked.
The two overs where Ish went for 3 sixes ina row, after Kuggelijn got pumped cost us the game I reckon. 40 off two overs let them back in and surrendered the momentum nicely.
Also, Boult missed a straightforward runout, and that was super frustrating.
Then it was just down to two big sixes in the super over - they could, we couldn't. Good game. Shout out to the ground; had no expectation of play when it chucked it down all morning and early afternoon
@nzzp speaking of big overs, and not sure if mentioned, did anyone else see Kiwi Sophie Devine hit 5 consecutive 6’s off the final over of the WBBL game today? On her way to a match winning 85no.
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New Zealand Test squad:
Todd Astle, Tom Blundell, Trent Boult, Colin de Grandhomme, Lockie Ferguson, Matt Henry, Tom Latham, Henry Nicholls, Jeet Raval, Mitchell Santner, Tim Southee, Ross Taylor, Neil Wagner, BJ Watling (wk), Kane Williamson (c) -
New Zealand Test squad:
Todd Astle, Tom Blundell, Trent Boult, Colin de Grandhomme, Lockie Ferguson, Matt Henry, Tom Latham, Henry Nicholls, Jeet Raval, Mitchell Santner, Tim Southee, Ross Taylor, Neil Wagner, BJ Watling (wk), Kane Williamson (c)I'm a bit surprised to see Astle and Santner as the spinners and both Patel and Somerville not.
Hope they think long and hard about playing without a spinner in NZ. Seems like a long time since any NZ spinner took a bag of wickets at home.
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I'm a bit surprised to see Astle and Santner as the spinners and both Patel and Somerville not.
Hope they think long and hard about playing without a spinner in NZ. Seems like a long time since any NZ spinner took a bag of wickets at home.
@Chris-B said in Cricket: NZ vs England:
I'm a bit surprised to see Astle and Santner as the spinners and both Patel and Somerville not.
Hope they think long and hard about playing without a spinner in NZ. Seems like a long time since any NZ spinner took a bag of wickets at home.
And don't leave out Wags!!!
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@Chris-B said in Cricket: NZ vs England:
I'm a bit surprised to see Astle and Santner as the spinners and both Patel and Somerville not.
Hope they think long and hard about playing without a spinner in NZ. Seems like a long time since any NZ spinner took a bag of wickets at home.
And don't leave out Wags!!!
@canefan said in Cricket: NZ vs England:
@Chris-B said in Cricket: NZ vs England:
I'm a bit surprised to see Astle and Santner as the spinners and both Patel and Somerville not.
Hope they think long and hard about playing without a spinner in NZ. Seems like a long time since any NZ spinner took a bag of wickets at home.
And don't leave out Wags!!!
Wags kind of fills a spinners role in NZ - bowls heaps of overs without tiring and with an old ball. The difference is he can actually take wickets too.
If they don't have a "specialist" spinner then - Southee, Boult, Wags, Ferg, CDG? Kane to roll a few over if need be (he seems to get more turn than the other spinners anyway). Probably weakens the batting a bit without Santner but he really isn't a threat with the red ball.
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I'm a bit surprised to see Astle and Santner as the spinners and both Patel and Somerville not.
Hope they think long and hard about playing without a spinner in NZ. Seems like a long time since any NZ spinner took a bag of wickets at home.
@Chris-B said in Cricket: NZ vs England:
I'm a bit surprised to see Astle and Santner as the spinners and both Patel and Somerville not.
It seems Patel and Somerville are the first-choice overseas, particularly on the sub-continent, so they've just picked the spinners who can bat. Rather negative I think. Neither of these tracks will turn much. I like the addition of Ferguson and the suggestion is that NZ will rotate the pace bowlers over these 5 tests.
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@canefan said in Cricket: NZ vs England:
@Chris-B said in Cricket: NZ vs England:
I'm a bit surprised to see Astle and Santner as the spinners and both Patel and Somerville not.
Hope they think long and hard about playing without a spinner in NZ. Seems like a long time since any NZ spinner took a bag of wickets at home.
And don't leave out Wags!!!
Wags kind of fills a spinners role in NZ - bowls heaps of overs without tiring and with an old ball. The difference is he can actually take wickets too.
If they don't have a "specialist" spinner then - Southee, Boult, Wags, Ferg, CDG? Kane to roll a few over if need be (he seems to get more turn than the other spinners anyway). Probably weakens the batting a bit without Santner but he really isn't a threat with the red ball.
@Snowy I think there's probably a choice between CdG and Santner (or Astle) for the allrounder spot - batting at 7.
That's probably a slot too high for Mitch (or Todd) at present - so it weakens the batting, while I'm inclined to think Colin is more likely to get conditions that suit his bowling.
They might think Astle is worth a shot over someone like Ferguson and Wags, but I'm doubtful really - unless they're really expecting a pitch that will turn.
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Completely underwhelmed by both spin bowling options for a Test. Hope to be proved as wrong as usual.
@Donsteppa Yep. We are most likely better off without one (cue the first real turning / bouncing wicket in NZ in years).
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I've been reasonably impressed by Patel as a wicket taker. Seems the most likely to me. Don't know about his stats in nz though
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@Donsteppa @Baron-Silas-Greenback @KiwiPie
Who's going to the first test? I'm going to try and pop along on Friday.
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@Donsteppa @Baron-Silas-Greenback @KiwiPie
Who's going to the first test? I'm going to try and pop along on Friday.
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@Hooroo I have got a five day pass, def going first couple of days, and most likely some of the weekend.
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Cricket: NZ vs England:
@Hooroo I have got a five day pass, def going first couple of days, and most likely some of the weekend.
Nice, let's catch up for a beer if I do pop along on Friday. Might even just pop in for a couple of hours around lunch if I'm at the Mount office
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@Donsteppa @Baron-Silas-Greenback @KiwiPie
Who's going to the first test? I'm going to try and pop along on Friday.
@Hooroo I've just been in the UK for 2 weeks for family reasons - unscheduled - so that has blown my annual leave plans out of the water - planning to be there on Saturday weather and match situation permitting (meaning the test hasn't finished by then)
