Cricket: NZ vs England
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@Chris-B said in Cricket: NZ vs England:
I'm a bit surprised to see Astle and Santner as the spinners and both Patel and Somerville not.
Hope they think long and hard about playing without a spinner in NZ. Seems like a long time since any NZ spinner took a bag of wickets at home.
And don't leave out Wags!!!
@canefan said in Cricket: NZ vs England:
@Chris-B said in Cricket: NZ vs England:
I'm a bit surprised to see Astle and Santner as the spinners and both Patel and Somerville not.
Hope they think long and hard about playing without a spinner in NZ. Seems like a long time since any NZ spinner took a bag of wickets at home.
And don't leave out Wags!!!
Wags kind of fills a spinners role in NZ - bowls heaps of overs without tiring and with an old ball. The difference is he can actually take wickets too.
If they don't have a "specialist" spinner then - Southee, Boult, Wags, Ferg, CDG? Kane to roll a few over if need be (he seems to get more turn than the other spinners anyway). Probably weakens the batting a bit without Santner but he really isn't a threat with the red ball.
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I'm a bit surprised to see Astle and Santner as the spinners and both Patel and Somerville not.
Hope they think long and hard about playing without a spinner in NZ. Seems like a long time since any NZ spinner took a bag of wickets at home.
@Chris-B said in Cricket: NZ vs England:
I'm a bit surprised to see Astle and Santner as the spinners and both Patel and Somerville not.
It seems Patel and Somerville are the first-choice overseas, particularly on the sub-continent, so they've just picked the spinners who can bat. Rather negative I think. Neither of these tracks will turn much. I like the addition of Ferguson and the suggestion is that NZ will rotate the pace bowlers over these 5 tests.
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@canefan said in Cricket: NZ vs England:
@Chris-B said in Cricket: NZ vs England:
I'm a bit surprised to see Astle and Santner as the spinners and both Patel and Somerville not.
Hope they think long and hard about playing without a spinner in NZ. Seems like a long time since any NZ spinner took a bag of wickets at home.
And don't leave out Wags!!!
Wags kind of fills a spinners role in NZ - bowls heaps of overs without tiring and with an old ball. The difference is he can actually take wickets too.
If they don't have a "specialist" spinner then - Southee, Boult, Wags, Ferg, CDG? Kane to roll a few over if need be (he seems to get more turn than the other spinners anyway). Probably weakens the batting a bit without Santner but he really isn't a threat with the red ball.
@Snowy I think there's probably a choice between CdG and Santner (or Astle) for the allrounder spot - batting at 7.
That's probably a slot too high for Mitch (or Todd) at present - so it weakens the batting, while I'm inclined to think Colin is more likely to get conditions that suit his bowling.
They might think Astle is worth a shot over someone like Ferguson and Wags, but I'm doubtful really - unless they're really expecting a pitch that will turn.
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Completely underwhelmed by both spin bowling options for a Test. Hope to be proved as wrong as usual.
@Donsteppa Yep. We are most likely better off without one (cue the first real turning / bouncing wicket in NZ in years).
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I've been reasonably impressed by Patel as a wicket taker. Seems the most likely to me. Don't know about his stats in nz though
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@Donsteppa @Baron-Silas-Greenback @KiwiPie
Who's going to the first test? I'm going to try and pop along on Friday.
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@Donsteppa @Baron-Silas-Greenback @KiwiPie
Who's going to the first test? I'm going to try and pop along on Friday.
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@Hooroo I have got a five day pass, def going first couple of days, and most likely some of the weekend.
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Cricket: NZ vs England:
@Hooroo I have got a five day pass, def going first couple of days, and most likely some of the weekend.
Nice, let's catch up for a beer if I do pop along on Friday. Might even just pop in for a couple of hours around lunch if I'm at the Mount office
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@Donsteppa @Baron-Silas-Greenback @KiwiPie
Who's going to the first test? I'm going to try and pop along on Friday.
@Hooroo I've just been in the UK for 2 weeks for family reasons - unscheduled - so that has blown my annual leave plans out of the water - planning to be there on Saturday weather and match situation permitting (meaning the test hasn't finished by then)
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Like Baron I have a five day pass - will be at the ground every day, though Thursday may be the only full day I make at this stage with a few other family things on.
Will the TSF section be near the groundsman's facilities - so we can rope some random area off in order to keep the darn kids off our lawn?
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Like Baron I have a five day pass - will be at the ground every day, though Thursday may be the only full day I make at this stage with a few other family things on.
Will the TSF section be near the groundsman's facilities - so we can rope some random area off in order to keep the darn kids off our lawn?
@Donsteppa said in Cricket: NZ vs England:
Like Baron I have a five day pass - will be at the ground every day, though Thursday may be the only full day I make at this stage with a few other family things on.
Will the TSF section be near the groundsman's facilities - so we can rope some random area off in order to keep the darn kids off our lawn?
And be close to the loo
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Like Baron I have a five day pass - will be at the ground every day, though Thursday may be the only full day I make at this stage with a few other family things on.
Will the TSF section be near the groundsman's facilities - so we can rope some random area off in order to keep the darn kids off our lawn?
@Donsteppa said in Cricket: NZ vs England:
Will the TSF section be near the groundsman's facilities - so we can rope some random area off in order to keep the darn kids off our lawn?
They call them "players" in this case and the groundsman calls it a "pitch" but by all means talk to him about it. They also have 2 grumpy old men already who are supposed to keep the kids off it.
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Stead is very conservative and boring...
New Zealand have resisted the urge to launch fast bowler Lockie Ferguson at England's batsmen in the first cricket test at Mt Maunganui on Thursday. Captain Kane Williamson confirmed his XI on Wednesday with regular pace trio Tim Southee, Trent Boult and Neil Wagner getting the nod as the pacemen and Mitchell Santner edging Todd Astle for the spinner's berth.
New Zealand: Tom Latham, Jeet Raval, Kane Williamson (captain), Ross Taylor, Henry Nicholls, BJ Watling, Colin de Grandhomme, Mitchell Santner, Tim Southee, Neil Wagner, Trent Boult.
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Of late they have tended to back their selections by local conditions, are we expecting rain? or significant movement off the deck?
From someone not based there, it looks like a bit of a missed opportunity
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Of late they have tended to back their selections by local conditions, are we expecting rain? or significant movement off the deck?
From someone not based there, it looks like a bit of a missed opportunity
@bayimports The Bay Oval will have more pace and bounce than Seddon Park so if you are wanting to play Ferguson against England this was the test to do it in.
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@bayimports The Bay Oval will have more pace and bounce than Seddon Park so if you are wanting to play Ferguson against England this was the test to do it in.
@Bovidae said in Cricket: NZ vs England:
@bayimports The Bay Oval will have more pace and bounce than Seddon Park so if you are wanting to play Ferguson against England this was the test to do it in.
so like consistently not being able to make good calls about when to use their umpiring challenges, they potentially also make another consistent poor call on the pitch ..time will tell I guess, but I agree @Bovidae it looks like a missed opportunity already
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@bayimports The Bay Oval will have more pace and bounce than Seddon Park so if you are wanting to play Ferguson against England this was the test to do it in.
@Bovidae said in Cricket: NZ vs England:
@bayimports The Bay Oval will have more pace and bounce than Seddon Park so if you are wanting to play Ferguson against England this was the test to do it in.
Also, Southee's record at Hamilton is great.
So, if it is going to be a Fergusson for Southee rotation (rather than for the the 3rd or 4th seamer), then Bay Oval was the place to do it.
Southee will probably go fine, though, it seems competition for his spot lifts him above his complacent default plateau. But, I wants me some PACE.
