RWC Final: England v Springboks
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"Controversy". I didn't detect any but apparently there was.
Mrs Boo didn't last the match last night so I mention this morning "So the slightly less bad guys won".
She says (having checked news web sites) "Quite controversial apparently". Seems she had read some comment about "Kiwi TMO" Skeenie and forward passes. I've been hunting for said comments but can't find anything.
I can only assume it was referring to the Marx pass to Mapimpi that they had a close look at. From behind (which was the angle they seemed to concentrate on) it looked line ball at worst. From side on it goes backwards. Not much controversial in that.
Did see Stuff.co.nz have a reference to "controversial" in the banner headline that flashed up when I clicked on them, but could find no further reference.
Has there been much comment on the scrum officiating?
All looked clean and good to me.
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@NTA said in RWC Final: England v Springboks:
Oh fuck yes this is worth it just to watch Stu Barnes eat crow in the FoxRugby studio
Barnes still got a swing in at NZ.
"Means that SA are better than NZ ... "
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@NTA said in RWC Final: England v Springboks:
Oh fuck yes this is worth it just to watch Stu Barnes eat crow in the FoxRugby studio
Barnes still got a swing in at NZ.
"Means that SA are better than NZ ... "
@booboo said in RWC Final: England v Springboks:
@NTA said in RWC Final: England v Springboks:
Oh fuck yes this is worth it just to watch Stu Barnes eat crow in the FoxRugby studio
Barnes still got a swing in at NZ.
"Means that SA are better than NZ ... "
I turned off once he chewed on the salty camel dick that was congratulating the Boks. Like a bulldog licking piss off a thistle.
And then I cancelled by KayoSports subscription because there's nothing on
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"Controversy". I didn't detect any but apparently there was.
Mrs Boo didn't last the match last night so I mention this morning "So the slightly less bad guys won".
She says (having checked news web sites) "Quite controversial apparently". Seems she had read some comment about "Kiwi TMO" Skeenie and forward passes. I've been hunting for said comments but can't find anything.
I can only assume it was referring to the Marx pass to Mapimpi that they had a close look at. From behind (which was the angle they seemed to concentrate on) it looked line ball at worst. From side on it goes backwards. Not much controversial in that.
Did see Stuff.co.nz have a reference to "controversial" in the banner headline that flashed up when I clicked on them, but could find no further reference.
Has there been much comment on the scrum officiating?
All looked clean and good to me.
The BBC had a bit about a forward pass for the first Bokke try being checked but that's about it
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@booboo The camera angle from behind was slightly deceptive, but as soon as you use the lines on the playing field as a guide the pass looks fine - flattish, but certainly not clearly and obviously forward.
@Chris-B said in RWC Final: England v Springboks:
@booboo The camera angle from behind was slightly deceptive, but as soon as you use the lines on the playing field as a guide the pass looks fine - flattish, but certainly not clearly and obviously forward.
From side on, to me, it was clearly and obviously backwards. Dunno why they reviewed.
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@NTA said in RWC Final: England v Springboks:
Oh fuck yes this is worth it just to watch Stu Barnes eat crow in the FoxRugby studio
Barnes still got a swing in at NZ.
"Means that SA are better than NZ ... "
@booboo said in RWC Final: England v Springboks:
@NTA said in RWC Final: England v Springboks:
Oh fuck yes this is worth it just to watch Stu Barnes eat crow in the FoxRugby studio
Barnes still got a swing in at NZ.
"Means that SA are better than NZ ... "
South Africa are better than Boris Johnson!
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@booboo said in RWC Final: England v Springboks:
@NTA said in RWC Final: England v Springboks:
Oh fuck yes this is worth it just to watch Stu Barnes eat crow in the FoxRugby studio
Barnes still got a swing in at NZ.
"Means that SA are better than NZ ... "
South Africa are better than Boris Johnson!
@Chris-B said in RWC Final: England v Springboks:
@booboo said in RWC Final: England v Springboks:
@NTA said in RWC Final: England v Springboks:
Oh fuck yes this is worth it just to watch Stu Barnes eat crow in the FoxRugby studio
Barnes still got a swing in at NZ.
"Means that SA are better than NZ ... "
South Africa are better than Boris Johnson!
This was up within a few minutes of the final whistle I believe:
England Leaves World Cup Empty-Handed Just Weeks Before They Exit Europe With Even Less
England has come second in this year’s Rugby World Cup, losing to South Africa tonight in the final at Yokohama Stadium.
The All-Whites leave the competition empty-handed once again, the only solace being the defeat was probably the fault of their Australian coach, Eddie Jones.
It comes as another blow to England, as they and the rest of the nation-states they’ve tied to the Brexit mast are just weeks away from leaving the European Union with even less.
More to come.
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@booboo said in RWC Final: England v Springboks:
@NTA said in RWC Final: England v Springboks:
Oh fuck yes this is worth it just to watch Stu Barnes eat crow in the FoxRugby studio
Barnes still got a swing in at NZ.
"Means that SA are better than NZ ... "
South Africa are better than Boris Johnson!
@Chris-B said in RWC Final: England v Springboks:
@booboo said in RWC Final: England v Springboks:
@NTA said in RWC Final: England v Springboks:
Oh fuck yes this is worth it just to watch Stu Barnes eat crow in the FoxRugby studio
Barnes still got a swing in at NZ.
"Means that SA are better than NZ ... "
South Africa are better than Boris Johnson!
Believe it or not. The Guardian had a piece blaming BoJo for England losing.*
*No, it wasn't serious.
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@geebee said in RWC Final: England v Springboks:
@NTA nah its true,and remind me where you are from and why you are here please?
Australian. Long time contributor here, and I've had my share of disagreements with these kiwi bastards but I'm not about to spout fuckwit statements like "not world champs to me".
Wind your neck in, you've got school tomorrow
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@booboo The camera angle from behind was slightly deceptive, but as soon as you use the lines on the playing field as a guide the pass looks fine - flattish, but certainly not clearly and obviously forward.
@Chris-B that's not actually in the rulebook regarding forward passes. Its the direction out of the hand,most definitely forward. Weird how they showed only 1 angle from the most flattering angle and only a couple of times,ive seen games where its dissected to the nth degree but not this time.
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@Crucial said in RWC Final: England v Springboks:
That Farrell cock didn’t even have the decency to congratulate SA.
"Credit to South Africa, they were very good today"
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@Crucial said in RWC Final: England v Springboks:
That Farrell cock didn’t even have the decency to congratulate SA.
"Credit to South Africa, they were very good today"
@antipodean said in RWC Final: England v Springboks:
@Crucial said in RWC Final: England v Springboks:
That Farrell cock didn’t even have the decency to congratulate SA.
"Credit to South Africa, they were very good today"
Farrell is taking some shit in this thread, but apart from his shoulder tackles that WR let him get away with and the fact he's English he doesn't seem like that bad a bloke.
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@antipodean said in RWC Final: England v Springboks:
@Crucial said in RWC Final: England v Springboks:
That Farrell cock didn’t even have the decency to congratulate SA.
"Credit to South Africa, they were very good today"
Farrell is taking some shit in this thread, but apart from his shoulder tackles that WR let him get away with and the fact he's English he doesn't seem like that bad a bloke.
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@Nepia seems one of those guys that cos he looks like he needs a smack in the face, no matter how he acts people still dislike him.
Some great pics popped up on my feed, this is the best one, with the hats they prepared earlier!
@taniwharugby said in RWC Final: England v Springboks:
@Nepia seems one of those guys that cos he looks like he needs a smack in the face, no matter how he acts people still dislike him.
Some great pics popped up on my feed, this is the best one, with the hats they prepared earlier!
That has Die Antwoord written all over it
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Some post-match thoughts based off some halftime thoughts I put elsewhere:
Losing Sinckler early did hurt the Poms in the close channels. Not the scrum tho, oh no. In any case, a situation like this is both a strength and weakness of an EJ game plan: he finds the right guys for the roles from the available talent, builds that game plan, and then it suddenly can't be adjusted on the fly.
Pommy handling looked ordinary early on, because they weren't settling into the game - like the ABs last week. Needed some phases, a bit of structure, set a few rucks to get the rhythm of the defence but also their own attack.
I can't remember the commentators calling Tuilagi, Daly, Watson, or May once in the first half. This is a result of their forwards not keeping the ball, and being in the right areas to do it.
On the scrum: I am still not sure why Itoje starts at TH lock in that team. Lawes is slightly bigger and should have been working on a spot as starting behind Sinckler for some time now, because that is where the English scrum fell apart.
The English scrum builds its reputation on big grunt and cohesion, not necessarily tactical nous. Having a dirty great pair of donkeys in the second row helps any prop, but Cole and Marler have seen the wrong side of refs in the recent past for not packing straight, even against those packs perceived as weaker (e.g. Wallabies). Last night he got a poor effort from Itoje in the second row, and you could see this either side of halftime when the Boks had the feed:
i) Before the break, Itoje at TH lock and the scrum bends behind Cole
ii) After the break, Itoje at LH lock (Kruis came on at the half for Lawes) and Vunipola got foldedThe interesting bit for me - and the lesson for EJ and Mitchell - was the next 2 scrums where the Boks (despite replacing both props around 44 minutes) got ascendancy again on their own ball BUT Marler came on and on England ball, they set much better then chose their moment to drive.
Overall, I thought Itoje had a poor game BUT this is what happens when you're not getting an armchair ride from the rest of your forward pack. I think he should really be blindside flanker for England where his speed and size are better suited.
And yes I know I've just spent a fair few bytes talking Itoje, but really nothing compared to the boner that English Rugby have for him.
After that couple of scrums, things settled back down to where the Saffers had the upper hand. This happens sometimes when you've just finished belting one prop and they bring a new one on - Koch didn't adjust for Marler or the improved drive of Kruis off England ball. Its important to note that since they change the hooking law back to the old-school method, winning your ball seems harder for a lot of sides, but once it is under the second row, the battle is all about timing of the shove, and England did it poorly without the ball and occasionally well, with.
There was that period midway through the first period where England strung together multiple phases and started to look good BUT, like England teams of yore, they got into a muddle once the missing part (Sinckler) didn't give them the go-forward they needed.
Changing gears: the contrast of performance for Pollard between the Wales and England games caught my eye. Very passive against Wales - wasn't even chasing his own kicks because they had a winger to put everyone onside. Last night he was much more active in chasing kicks, attacking the line, and getting involved around the ruck including some good tackling. Was he in cotton wool against the Welsh, then told to go for broke? Dunno but I think it was a little surprising to the England backs to have Pollard - who is a solid unit - suddenly in their faces. Looked like one of the tweaks Rassie made to "win" a final rather than "not lose" a semifinal.
English back three a bit lacking under the high ball. Lot of cheap turnover right there and must say they're much better on attack, which didn't fire last night.
Last thing for now: Cheslin. Fucking. Kolbe. Yeah sure the try was amazing but even better was the way he knocked Courtney Lawes over - difference of 30cm and 35kg, mind - every time the Poms ran the big unit at him. It happened about 4-5 times by my count, and was a clear tactic for the blindside to try and isolate him. Only one time did the little bloke not complete the tackle, but still cleaned him up for someone else to attack the ball.
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As for Sinkcler and Itoje not wearing their medals: I have no problem with that. They're young men who just lost the biggest game of their lives. They were hurting, but tomorrow they'll look back and appreciate what they learned.
@NTA said in RWC Final: England v Springboks:
As for Sinkcler and Itoje not wearing their medals: I have no problem with that. They're young men who just lost the biggest game of their lives. They were hurting, but tomorrow they'll look back and appreciate what they learned.
Or not.
Plenty have come and gone like fireworks.
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@antipodean said in RWC Final: England v Springboks:
@Crucial said in RWC Final: England v Springboks:
That Farrell cock didn’t even have the decency to congratulate SA.
"Credit to South Africa, they were very good today"
Farrell is taking some shit in this thread, but apart from his shoulder tackles that WR let him get away with and the fact he's English he doesn't seem like that bad a bloke.
@Nepia said in RWC Final: England v Springboks:
@antipodean said in RWC Final: England v Springboks:
@Crucial said in RWC Final: England v Springboks:
That Farrell cock didn’t even have the decency to congratulate SA.
"Credit to South Africa, they were very good today"
Farrell is taking some shit in this thread, but apart from his shoulder tackles that WR let him get away with and the fact he's English he doesn't seem like that bad a bloke.
Was pleased it was him that got fleeced by Kolbe though.
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@NTA said in RWC Final: England v Springboks:
As for Sinkcler and Itoje not wearing their medals: I have no problem with that. They're young men who just lost the biggest game of their lives. They were hurting, but tomorrow they'll look back and appreciate what they learned.
Or not.
Plenty have come and gone like fireworks.
@MiketheSnow said in RWC Final: England v Springboks:
@NTA said in RWC Final: England v Springboks:
As for Sinkcler and Itoje not wearing their medals: I have no problem with that. They're young men who just lost the biggest game of their lives. They were hurting, but tomorrow they'll look back and appreciate what they learned.
Or not.
Plenty have come and gone like fireworks.
Fair point - they MAY learn from this. Or they may go back to the drudge that is English Premier Rugby and be feted stars, dominating against SH castoffs
Either way, both are young enough to go around again, whoever the coach is in 2023, and will have more experience and hopefully a tick more humility.
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@Nepia said in RWC Final: England v Springboks:
@antipodean said in RWC Final: England v Springboks:
@Crucial said in RWC Final: England v Springboks:
That Farrell cock didn’t even have the decency to congratulate SA.
"Credit to South Africa, they were very good today"
Farrell is taking some shit in this thread, but apart from his shoulder tackles that WR let him get away with and the fact he's English he doesn't seem like that bad a bloke.
Was pleased it was him that got fleeced by Kolbe though.
@booboo said in RWC Final: England v Springboks:
@Nepia said in RWC Final: England v Springboks:
@antipodean said in RWC Final: England v Springboks:
@Crucial said in RWC Final: England v Springboks:
That Farrell cock didn’t even have the decency to congratulate SA.
"Credit to South Africa, they were very good today"
Farrell is taking some shit in this thread, but apart from his shoulder tackles that WR let him get away with and the fact he's English he doesn't seem like that bad a bloke.
Was pleased it was him that got fleeced by Kolbe though.
Would only have been made more perfect if he got a red card for a shoulder.
