2021 British & Irish Lions tour to SA
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@mick-gold-coast-qld shoehorning a yarn about how you once watched from afar as other people protested Apartheid as your framing for thinking about this situation is next level fishing.
I salute you.
@smuts said in 2021 British & Irish Lions tour to SA:
@mick-gold-coast-qld shoehorning a yarn about how you once watched from afar as other people protested Apartheid as your framing for thinking about this situation is next level fishing.
I salute you.
Your obfuscation leaves me quite bewildered.
I reflect briefly on what my eyes have seen over time, state that I have found the various opinions offered here (politely, I am pleased to say) interesting; and mock the dialect employed by internet posters on a mission, any mission - which was my primary reason for posting in the first place.
You craft fiction "shoehorning a yarn ... once watched from afar as other people protested ... your framing for thinking" ... eh?; and "fishing" - for what?
I am happy to argue the toss about all manner of things with my mates over a lazy beer, a known and credible environment. Internet forums do not offer that.
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@derpus said in 2021 British & Irish Lions tour to SA:
What's with the Lions tours becoming so bad natured? Or has it always been this way.
What a good observation! We have tours over here where the supporters wait and queue and miss the rent so that they can pay for tickets, in delight and keen anticipation of the contest. It is "good natured" from start to finish.
Last time they were here in 2013 the British and Irish Lions played from one side of the country to the other - nine games against just about anyone who could scrape together a team - and the mob loved it. We got to see George Smith again - a real player 'n all. They won almost all of them, but the mob loved it still!
You'd reckon the South Africans would be pleased to welcome anyone who bothered to pay them a visit!
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@derpus said in 2021 British & Irish Lions tour to SA:
What's with the Lions tours becoming so bad natured? Or has it always been this way.
What a good observation! We have tours over here where the supporters wait and queue and miss the rent so that they can pay for tickets, in delight and keen anticipation of the contest. It is "good natured" from start to finish.
Last time they were here in 2013 the British and Irish Lions played from one side of the country to the other - nine games against just about anyone who could scrape together a team - and the mob loved it. We got to see George Smith again - a real player 'n all. They won almost all of them, but the mob loved it still!
You'd reckon the South Africans would be pleased to welcome anyone who bothered to pay them a visit!
@mick-gold-coast-qld said in 2021 British & Irish Lions tour to SA:
@derpus said in 2021 British & Irish Lions tour to SA:
What's with the Lions tours becoming so bad natured? Or has it always been this way.
What a good observation! We have tours over here where the supporters wait and queue and miss the rent so that they can pay for tickets, in delight and keen anticipation of the contest. It is "good natured" from start to finish.
Last time they were here in 2013 the British and Irish Lions played from one side of the country to the other - nine games against just about anyone who could scrape together a team - and the mob loved it. We got to see George Smith again - a real player 'n all. They won almost all of them, but the mob loved it still!
You'd reckon the South Africans would be pleased to welcome anyone who bothered to pay them a visit!
Not quite comparable. No traveling fans allowed. No crowds.
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@mick-gold-coast-qld said in 2021 British & Irish Lions tour to SA:
@derpus said in 2021 British & Irish Lions tour to SA:
What's with the Lions tours becoming so bad natured? Or has it always been this way.
What a good observation! We have tours over here where the supporters wait and queue and miss the rent so that they can pay for tickets, in delight and keen anticipation of the contest. It is "good natured" from start to finish.
Last time they were here in 2013 the British and Irish Lions played from one side of the country to the other - nine games against just about anyone who could scrape together a team - and the mob loved it. We got to see George Smith again - a real player 'n all. They won almost all of them, but the mob loved it still!
You'd reckon the South Africans would be pleased to welcome anyone who bothered to pay them a visit!
Not quite comparable. No traveling fans allowed. No crowds.
Normally, it is actually very festive off the field.@billy-webb said in 2021 British & Irish Lions tour to SA:
@mick-gold-coast-qld said in 2021 British & Irish Lions tour to SA:
@derpus said in 2021 British & Irish Lions tour to SA:
What's with the Lions tours becoming so bad natured? Or has it always been this way.
What a good observation! We have tours over here where the supporters wait and queue and miss the rent so that they can pay for tickets, in delight and keen anticipation of the contest. It is "good natured" from start to finish.
Last time they were here in 2013 the British and Irish Lions played from one side of the country to the other - nine games against just about anyone who could scrape together a team - and the mob loved it. We got to see George Smith again - a real player 'n all. They won almost all of them, but the mob loved it still!
You'd reckon the South Africans would be pleased to welcome anyone who bothered to pay them a visit!
Not quite comparable. No traveling fans allowed. No crowds.
Normally, it is actually very festive off the field.Yeah that honestly looked like shit on TV. Having attended a few Lions games now it needs the crowd.
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@mick-gold-coast-qld said in 2021 British & Irish Lions tour to SA:
@derpus said in 2021 British & Irish Lions tour to SA:
What's with the Lions tours becoming so bad natured? Or has it always been this way.
What a good observation! We have tours over here where the supporters wait and queue and miss the rent so that they can pay for tickets, in delight and keen anticipation of the contest. It is "good natured" from start to finish.
Last time they were here in 2013 the British and Irish Lions played from one side of the country to the other - nine games against just about anyone who could scrape together a team - and the mob loved it. We got to see George Smith again - a real player 'n all. They won almost all of them, but the mob loved it still!
You'd reckon the South Africans would be pleased to welcome anyone who bothered to pay them a visit!
Not quite comparable. No traveling fans allowed. No crowds.
Normally, it is actually very festive off the field.@billy-webb @Derpus @Mick-Gold-Coast-QLD
From all I’ve heard from travelling Lions supporters the general welcome around the country and at the games is fantastic, be it SA, Aus or NZ. Virtually without exception. The media starts off viewing things in a very welcoming manner before rubbishing the squad selection and coaching team and the descends into ever deeper levels of vitriol. Again this is pretty much the same for each country . This seemed to have its birth in the ‘89 tour to Aus. The unfriendly side of the rival coaching teams has increased more or less year on year since 2005 and I think Woodward’s approach had a lot to do with this. Gatland has been upping the ante since. McGeechan the only outlier. Rassie has just taken things nuclear.
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@billy-webb @Derpus @Mick-Gold-Coast-QLD
From all I’ve heard from travelling Lions supporters the general welcome around the country and at the games is fantastic, be it SA, Aus or NZ. Virtually without exception. The media starts off viewing things in a very welcoming manner before rubbishing the squad selection and coaching team and the descends into ever deeper levels of vitriol. Again this is pretty much the same for each country . This seemed to have its birth in the ‘89 tour to Aus. The unfriendly side of the rival coaching teams has increased more or less year on year since 2005 and I think Woodward’s approach had a lot to do with this. Gatland has been upping the ante since. McGeechan the only outlier. Rassie has just taken things nuclear.
@catogrande
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@derpus said in 2021 British & Irish Lions tour to SA:
What's with the Lions tours becoming so bad natured? Or has it always been this way.
Weirdly, it seems to be related to the success of the BIL teams and vice-versa. The more successful the team is, the more popular - '71 Lions, 2013, 1993 and to a lesser extent 2017. Crap teams like Woodwhinge's are at the other end of the likeability scale
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@billy-webb @Derpus @Mick-Gold-Coast-QLD
From all I’ve heard from travelling Lions supporters the general welcome around the country and at the games is fantastic, be it SA, Aus or NZ. Virtually without exception. The media starts off viewing things in a very welcoming manner before rubbishing the squad selection and coaching team and the descends into ever deeper levels of vitriol. Again this is pretty much the same for each country . This seemed to have its birth in the ‘89 tour to Aus. The unfriendly side of the rival coaching teams has increased more or less year on year since 2005 and I think Woodward’s approach had a lot to do with this. Gatland has been upping the ante since. McGeechan the only outlier. Rassie has just taken things nuclear.
@catogrande said in 2021 British & Irish Lions tour to SA:
McGeechan the only outlier
Great guy and one of my top 5 coaches. Love the (poss. apocryphal) story about the '05 Lions management being booed as they walked into a hotel - except McGeechan who got a big round of applause.
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@sidbarret said in 2021 British & Irish Lions tour to SA:
@billy-webb sorry mate, can't agree with your points then.
1 - yeah so, last time I checked the final whistle went and we had less points than the lions. It doesn't matter now what we're mistakes were made and not made. I believe but for those mistakes we would have won, but nothing done afterwards is going to change that.
2 - we won games two and three but the reffing wasn't great, did we benefit from the refereeing, I don't know*. Was it influenced by Rassie's video - I hope not as it only enforces the bullshit that was coming from both sides.
- Anyone complaining about calls going SA way in game 2 and 3 can watch the first tackle of game two and then fuck right off.
3 - short term maybe - but in his current role we need to evaluate his performance in 5 years time and not just the Boks but all elite rugby in the country, and I am not sure I agree with a couple his calls in that regard.
Also, there are some legitimate complaints about the vibe around Springbok team. They are overblown and hystrionic but there are little bits of truth to them. If they don't fix it or become super dominant it is going to catch up with the team eventually.
"Also, there are some legitimate complaints about the vibe around Springbok team. They are overblown and hystrionic but there are little bits of truth to them. If they don't fix it or become super dominant it is going to catch up with the team eventually."
Care to elaborate a bit on this Sid?
@stodders the two things that stick out are the stoppages and that incident where the s&c coach got told off in NZ2.
Townsend had a bit of wingh this week about his players being sledged from the sidelines by the SA support staff (though I think he missed the actual sledge - the comments were in Afrikaans and half his team understood what was said - call it a meta sledge).
It's all very class stuff.
If you win it's fine (see Aussie cricket circa 2003) but if lose or are just average you soon become Aussie cricket in 2018.
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@stodders the two things that stick out are the stoppages and that incident where the s&c coach got told off in NZ2.
Townsend had a bit of wingh this week about his players being sledged from the sidelines by the SA support staff (though I think he missed the actual sledge - the comments were in Afrikaans and half his team understood what was said - call it a meta sledge).
It's all very class stuff.
If you win it's fine (see Aussie cricket circa 2003) but if lose or are just average you soon become Aussie cricket in 2018.
@sidbarret said in 2021 British & Irish Lions tour to SA:
@stodders the two things that stick out are the stoppages and that incident where the s&c coach got told off in NZ2.
Townsend had a bit of wingh this week about his players being sledged from the sidelines by the SA support staff (though I think he missed the actual sledge - the comments were in Afrikaans and half his team understood what was said - call it a meta sledge).
It's all very class stuff.
If you win it's fine (see Aussie cricket circa 2003) but if lose or are just average you soon become Aussie cricket in 2018.
See Haddin ODI CWC Final 2015... to quote: we won didn't we?
