The future of NZ Rugby
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@Godder and a local club focus on growth and participation. Better alignment with schools etc. Hmm wonder if 1st 15 TV coverage will keep growing while npc dies off. Maybe taking a page from college sport in the US?
Is super rugby the only viable TV content? What happens to our top tier nz-only domestic comp if its no longer viable as a broadcast product.
Big changes. Real big changes.
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@Paekakboyz NPC is already dead as a TV product, it is only aired as NZR insist on it as part of the whole rugby package. It's a massive loss, taken in isolation, for sky
@Machpants yeah I guess I'm musing on whether it gets canned or ??
I tell you what though. I love grassroots rugby - lower quality but real club rugby from all round the country. Plus a bit of history about the clubs and stuff is cool.
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@Machpants yeah I guess I'm musing on whether it gets canned or ??
I tell you what though. I love grassroots rugby - lower quality but real club rugby from all round the country. Plus a bit of history about the clubs and stuff is cool.
@Paekakboyz said in The future of NZ Super Rugby teams & the NPC:
@Machpants yeah I guess I'm musing on whether it gets canned or ??
I tell you what though. I love grassroots rugby - lower quality but real club rugby from all round the country. Plus a bit of history about the clubs and stuff is cool.
Me too, I'd rather have more of that, and the one camera angle, than more NPC multicamera overly costly for the support it gathers coverage
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Steve Tew could see the writing on the wall...
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I'd be furious if they canned the NPC (I don't think that will happen). To me, it's the best comp to watch on tv, especially my own province's games (of course). I like to watch our local boys make the step up to the next level. I think a lot of players will be lost to the system if there's nothing in-between club/schoolrugby and Super Rugby. They'd also lose me if I can't watch my province's games because the games are no longer broadcast on tv. I have no interest in going to games in Wellington, unless Wellington plays Hawke's Bay, which is at most once game a year.
They should move the games out of the big stadiums in the main centres to smaller venues though .
I'd like to see the Canes (and Blues, Chiefs, maybe Highlanders) follow the example of the Crusaders and establish an academy in their smaller provinces. With Hawke's Bay schoolboy rugby dominating in the Hurricanes region for years, but little representation in Hurricanes and NZ school and age grade teams, there's reason enough for a Hurricanes academy in Napier.
If Sky is no longer broadcasting NPC games, I hope sideline.app or another streaming service will be allowed to step in. I rather pay for that than for Sky.
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I'd be furious if they canned the NPC (I don't think that will happen). To me, it's the best comp to watch on tv, especially my own province's games (of course). I like to watch our local boys make the step up to the next level. I think a lot of players will be lost to the system if there's nothing in-between club/schoolrugby and Super Rugby. They'd also lose me if I can't watch my province's games because the games are no longer broadcast on tv. I have no interest in going to games in Wellington, unless Wellington plays Hawke's Bay, which is at most once game a year.
They should move the games out of the big stadiums in the main centres to smaller venues though .
I'd like to see the Canes (and Blues, Chiefs, maybe Highlanders) follow the example of the Crusaders and establish an academy in their smaller provinces. With Hawke's Bay schoolboy rugby dominating in the Hurricanes region for years, but little representation in Hurricanes and NZ school and age grade teams, there's reason enough for a Hurricanes academy in Napier.
If Sky is no longer broadcasting NPC games, I hope sideline.app or another streaming service will be allowed to step in. I rather pay for that than for Sky.
@Stargazer said in The future of NZ Super Rugby teams & the NPC:
I'd be furious if they canned the NPC .
You realise that doesn't matter right? What actually matters is implementation of a product(s) that aren't loss making. NPC died years ago despite a handful of passionate supporters.
I just hope that the decision they make is a good watch as I haven't watched NPC properly in ten years
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Interesting article which pointed out something I didn;t know, that the Crusaders run Canterbury's and Ta$man's Acadamies - ie like suggested in this report. Hasn't done saders, Cant or Tas any harm!
https://www.rugbypass.com/news/how-the-crusaders-continue-to-nurture-the-best-athletes-in-the-world
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@Stargazer said in The future of NZ Super Rugby teams & the NPC:
I'd be furious if they canned the NPC .
You realise that doesn't matter right? What actually matters is implementation of a product(s) that aren't loss making. NPC died years ago despite a handful of passionate supporters.
I just hope that the decision they make is a good watch as I haven't watched NPC properly in ten years
@Hooroo said in The future of NZ Super Rugby teams & the NPC:
@Stargazer said in The future of NZ Super Rugby teams & the NPC:
I'd be furious if they canned the NPC .
You realise that doesn't matter right? What actually matters is implementation of a product(s) that aren't loss making. NPC died years ago despite a handful of passionate supporters.
I just hope that the decision they make is a good watch as I haven't watched NPC properly in ten years
I realise that, yes. Nothing what people on the Fern, or fans generally, want matters. That doesn't have to stop us from expressing an opinion on it though, does it?
Money does matter most, because "rugby is a product". And it's sponsors that pay for the production of the product. Never mind that the number of fans buying the product might decrease even further, at least outside the main centres.
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@Hooroo said in The future of NZ Super Rugby teams & the NPC:
@Stargazer said in The future of NZ Super Rugby teams & the NPC:
I'd be furious if they canned the NPC .
You realise that doesn't matter right? What actually matters is implementation of a product(s) that aren't loss making. NPC died years ago despite a handful of passionate supporters.
I just hope that the decision they make is a good watch as I haven't watched NPC properly in ten years
I realise that, yes. Nothing what people on the Fern, or fans generally, want matters. That doesn't have to stop us from expressing an opinion on it though, does it?
Money does matter most, because "rugby is a product". And it's sponsors that pay for the production of the product. Never mind that the number of fans buying the product might decrease even further, at least outside the main centres.
@Stargazer said in The future of NZ Super Rugby teams & the NPC:
@Hooroo said in The future of NZ Super Rugby teams & the NPC:
@Stargazer said in The future of NZ Super Rugby teams & the NPC:
I'd be furious if they canned the NPC .
You realise that doesn't matter right? What actually matters is implementation of a product(s) that aren't loss making. NPC died years ago despite a handful of passionate supporters.
I just hope that the decision they make is a good watch as I haven't watched NPC properly in ten years
I realise that, yes. Nothing what people on the Fern, or fans generally, want matters. That doesn't have to stop us from expressing an opinion on it though, does it?
Money does matter most, because "rugby is a product". And it's sponsors that pay for the production of the product. Never mind that the number of fans buying the product might decrease even further, at least outside the main centres.
Again, that doesn't matter either so long as the main centres increase the purchase of the product. Then in time the little outliers start supporting too.
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@Stargazer said in The future of NZ Super Rugby teams & the NPC:
@Hooroo said in The future of NZ Super Rugby teams & the NPC:
@Stargazer said in The future of NZ Super Rugby teams & the NPC:
I'd be furious if they canned the NPC .
You realise that doesn't matter right? What actually matters is implementation of a product(s) that aren't loss making. NPC died years ago despite a handful of passionate supporters.
I just hope that the decision they make is a good watch as I haven't watched NPC properly in ten years
I realise that, yes. Nothing what people on the Fern, or fans generally, want matters. That doesn't have to stop us from expressing an opinion on it though, does it?
Money does matter most, because "rugby is a product". And it's sponsors that pay for the production of the product. Never mind that the number of fans buying the product might decrease even further, at least outside the main centres.
Again, that doesn't matter either so long as the main centres increase the purchase of the product. Then in time the little outliers start supporting too.
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@Stargazer said in The future of NZ Super Rugby teams & the NPC:
@Hooroo Knowing Wellington, there won't be an increase in the purchase of the product.
We don't even know what the product is. Back in the day the Hurricanes and Lions were really well supported.
I would say the hardest market to gain growth in again would be Auckland purely due to competition of competing sports and events
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The current NPC structure is a jumbled mess created by trying to keep everybody happy, and in the end pleasing nobody. The whole comp is mainly based on nostalgia, but it will never be what it was, no matter how much people wish for it.
The whole NZ structure is screaming out for reform. Hopefully this time the NZRU actually sack up and do what it is best.
It seems like a lot of what was written there relies on Super Rugby continuing for the foreseeable future?
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NZ rugby deserves a dreadful outcome. They got handed a great product and have tried to ruin every level of it outside of the All Blacks. This is the only organisation stupid enough to try to run two levels of provincial teams, and in a tiny country. When professionalism came, two of the top four teams were in the major population centre. They responded by putting a North Harbour's franchise in fucking Dunedin. It's almost like they are trying to go broke. Rugby is dead in Auckland now.
Fuck the NZRU. They're completely incompetent and deserve to go broke. It couldn't happen to a more deserving bunch of provincial morons.
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NZ rugby deserves a dreadful outcome. They got handed a great product and have tried to ruin every level of it outside of the All Blacks. This is the only organisation stupid enough to try to run two levels of provincial teams, and in a tiny country. When professionalism came, two of the top four teams were in the major population centre. They responded by putting a North Harbour's franchise in fucking Dunedin. It's almost like they are trying to go broke. Rugby is dead in Auckland now.
Fuck the NZRU. They're completely incompetent and deserve to go broke. It couldn't happen to a more deserving bunch of provincial morons.
@Tim said in The future of NZ Super Rugby teams & the NPC:
NZ rugby deserves a dreadful outcome. They got handed a great product and have tried to ruin every level of it outside of the All Blacks. This is the only organisation stupid enough to try to run two levels of provincial teams, and in a tiny country. When professionalism came, two of the top four teams were in the major population centre. They responded by putting a North Harbour's franchise in fucking Dunedin. It's almost like they are trying to go broke. Rugby is dead in Auckland now.
Fuck the NZRU. They're completely incompetent and deserve to go broke. It couldn't happen to a more deserving bunch of provincial morons.
rant of the week
a lot of truth there though
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NZ rugby deserves a dreadful outcome. They got handed a great product and have tried to ruin every level of it outside of the All Blacks. This is the only organisation stupid enough to try to run two levels of provincial teams, and in a tiny country. When professionalism came, two of the top four teams were in the major population centre. They responded by putting a North Harbour's franchise in fucking Dunedin. It's almost like they are trying to go broke. Rugby is dead in Auckland now.
Fuck the NZRU. They're completely incompetent and deserve to go broke. It couldn't happen to a more deserving bunch of provincial morons.
@Tim said in The future of NZ Super Rugby teams & the NPC:
NZ rugby deserves a dreadful outcome. They got handed a great product and have tried to ruin every level of it outside of the All Blacks. This is the only organisation stupid enough to try to run two levels of provincial teams, and in a tiny country. When professionalism came, two of the top four teams were in the major population centre. They responded by putting a North Harbour's franchise in fucking Dunedin. It's almost like they are trying to go broke. Rugby is dead in Auckland now.
Fuck the NZRU. They're completely incompetent and deserve to go broke. It couldn't happen to a more deserving bunch of provincial morons.
Didn't the Harbour franchise go to Waikato?
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@Tim said in The future of NZ Super Rugby teams & the NPC:
NZ rugby deserves a dreadful outcome. They got handed a great product and have tried to ruin every level of it outside of the All Blacks. This is the only organisation stupid enough to try to run two levels of provincial teams, and in a tiny country. When professionalism came, two of the top four teams were in the major population centre. They responded by putting a North Harbour's franchise in fucking Dunedin. It's almost like they are trying to go broke. Rugby is dead in Auckland now.
Fuck the NZRU. They're completely incompetent and deserve to go broke. It couldn't happen to a more deserving bunch of provincial morons.
Didn't the Harbour franchise go to Waikato?
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@Tim said in The future of NZ Super Rugby teams & the NPC:
NZ rugby deserves a dreadful outcome. They got handed a great product and have tried to ruin every level of it outside of the All Blacks. This is the only organisation stupid enough to try to run two levels of provincial teams, and in a tiny country. When professionalism came, two of the top four teams were in the major population centre. They responded by putting a North Harbour's franchise in fucking Dunedin. It's almost like they are trying to go broke. Rugby is dead in Auckland now.
Fuck the NZRU. They're completely incompetent and deserve to go broke. It couldn't happen to a more deserving bunch of provincial morons.
Didn't the Harbour franchise go to Waikato?
@Hooroo said in The future of NZ Super Rugby teams & the NPC:
@Tim said in The future of NZ Super Rugby teams & the NPC:
NZ rugby deserves a dreadful outcome. They got handed a great product and have tried to ruin every level of it outside of the All Blacks. This is the only organisation stupid enough to try to run two levels of provincial teams, and in a tiny country. When professionalism came, two of the top four teams were in the major population centre. They responded by putting a North Harbour's franchise in fucking Dunedin. It's almost like they are trying to go broke. Rugby is dead in Auckland now.
Fuck the NZRU. They're completely incompetent and deserve to go broke. It couldn't happen to a more deserving bunch of provincial morons.
Didn't the Harbour franchise go to Waikato?
he doesn't mean the actual allocation of Harbour you fool. He means that there should have been two Auckland franchises. Instead they made two South Island franchises.
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@Tim said in The future of NZ Super Rugby teams & the NPC:
NZ rugby deserves a dreadful outcome. They got handed a great product and have tried to ruin every level of it outside of the All Blacks. This is the only organisation stupid enough to try to run two levels of provincial teams, and in a tiny country. When professionalism came, two of the top four teams were in the major population centre. They responded by putting a North Harbour's franchise in fucking Dunedin. It's almost like they are trying to go broke. Rugby is dead in Auckland now.
Fuck the NZRU. They're completely incompetent and deserve to go broke. It couldn't happen to a more deserving bunch of provincial morons.
Didn't the Harbour franchise go to Waikato?
